My C-750 went back to shop

Andy Landfather · Jul 26, 2003

mark1000 said:
Andy Landfather said:

mark1000 said:

mark1000 said:

Well said dean, you dont need a ( gorgeous sunny day ) to take a
good pic

marko

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PS. its raining its overcast and the light is low, heres a 750 iso
50 pic, 1400 hours uk, hand held. i think it looks ok, what do you
think ??

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But if this was a full zoom shot you'd be in danger of camera shake
at 1/125 shutter speed. You'd need to increase iso, but then the
noise reduction algorythms would destroy detail.

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Heres your full zoom, still raining, really low light, 1820 hours,
hand held in a hurry to get on this post.
If this the best the 750 can do for me in these conditions i'll be
happy thanks.

Ok, but for the rest of us, we know that the minimum safe shutter speed is usually agreed to be 1/focal length (35mm eq.) This means 1/380 sec for full zoom on your 750. Have fun.

mark1000 said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19605242/large

marko

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Andy Landfather · Jul 26, 2003

Your shot at 380mm eq FL 1/60 shutter is approximately equal to me taking a full zoom (105mm eq) shot with my 5050 at 1/15 shutter.

Anyone with experience with a 3x zoom camera knows you are DARN lucky to get a good shot at that.

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

For Mark 100:

The full tele shot has been shot with exposure time 1/60

At this shutter speed, and full zoom, it is almost impossible to avoid camera shake. Also, it must be very difficult to get the autofocus to work in such a low-light conditions, and full zoom.

Are you sure you didn't use a nice tripod?

maybe your hand is a magic hand?

Sorry, but normal users don't have magic hands.

Normal users will have to resort to ISO100 or higher, and then they will get
washed away pictures.

even ISO50 is dissapointing:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19253500

from your own gallery.

Andy Landfather said:
Your shot at 380mm eq FL 1/60 shutter is approximately equal to me
taking a full zoom (105mm eq) shot with my 5050 at 1/15 shutter.

Anyone with experience with a 3x zoom camera knows you are DARN
lucky to get a good shot at that.

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

I am deciding between the C4000 and the C750.

The C750 is difficult to find in Spain, and it costs 50% more than the C4000.
Also, it seems that the C4000 has crisper images and better autofocus.

If the price were the same, I would probably buy the C750, for the 10X zoom. But being 50% more expensive, I think its not worthy.

Today, I feel like going for the C4000... but of course, I still can change my mind.

CMR said:
Fantomas said:

I still have no camera: I am going to buy my first camera now.

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What DCs do you have in mind?

CMR

mark1000 · Jul 26, 2003

Fantomas said:
For Mark 100:

The full tele shot has been shot with exposure time 1/60
At this shutter speed, and full zoom, it is almost impossible to
avoid camera shake. Also, it must be very difficult to get the
autofocus to work in such a low-light conditions, and full zoom.

Are you sure you didn't use a nice tripod?

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A LIAR, I ENTER THIS TOPIC WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PEOPLE HERE ARE HONEST AND NOT LIARS, ARE YOU ONE??

Fantomas said:
maybe your hand is a magic hand?

NO MY HANDS ARE QUITE NORMAL FOR A 46 YEAR OLD, THANKS

Fantomas said:
Sorry, but normal users don't have magic hands.

MAYBE IT'S YOU THAT HAVE BELOW AVERAGE HANDS

Fantomas said:
Normal users will have to resort to ISO100 or higher, and then they
will get
washed away pictures.

even ISO50 is dissapointing:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19253500

from your own gallery.

THIS ISO 50 IMAGE WAS PART OF A TEST THAT SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM REQUIRED, THEY WANTED A ISO 50 AND ISO400 COMPARISON,
THE PIC YOU REFER TO IS NOT THE WAY I WOULD TAKE IT FOR MYSELF

NOW FANTOMAS, TAKE YOUR REMARKS ABOUT MY PIC AND SHOVE THEM WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE.

MARKO, THE SOLID HAND...

theponja · Jul 26, 2003

I can tell you I do my homework. Over a year a red all the forums, reviews, etc. etc. in the internet about cameras and especially long zoom,
and next I took my choose. But the bad perfomance in low light surprises me.

But today I get a lot of wonderfools pictures with my childrens at the zoo. Then I keep the camera

And for the indoors with low light I will use my SLR + ISO 800 film

Buy one, you are losing all the diversion

Heinz · Jul 26, 2003

Nothing wrong with this pic. Maybe a little overexposed, thats all.
Heinz

Fantomas said:
The full tele shot has been shot with exposure time 1/60
At this shutter speed, and full zoom, it is almost impossible to
avoid camera shake. Also, it must be very difficult to get the
autofocus to work in such a low-light conditions, and full zoom.

Are you sure you didn't use a nice tripod?

maybe your hand is a magic hand?

Sorry, but normal users don't have magic hands.

Normal users will have to resort to ISO100 or higher, and then they
will get
washed away pictures.

even ISO50 is dissapointing:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19253500

from your own gallery.

Andy Landfather said:

Your shot at 380mm eq FL 1/60 shutter is approximately equal to me
taking a full zoom (105mm eq) shot with my 5050 at 1/15 shutter.

Anyone with experience with a 3x zoom camera knows you are DARN
lucky to get a good shot at that.

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Dean45 · Jul 26, 2003

I don't know..it just doesnt seem right...I have taken far more pictures that might be as you termed "disappointing".. They just don't always come out the way ya wanted

I dont think theres a person here who reads these threads that can argue with that...but ya know, thats part of it..but,

for me anyway, every once in a while you get one that ya just grin at and say "thats a keeper"..its all part of being an enthusiiast,hobbyist or capturing moments...but thats right...you dont have a camera yet...well lets.... pretend... you do have a camera..better yet...lets pretend its that c4000 you keep saying your gonna get...I hope if and when you do post pictures to a site, that you receive positive comments not out of respect for your outstanding cameramanship or knowledge (and I'll be the first to admit you are iso-savy dood).... but just because its the polite thing to do...
Talk the talk
Walk the walk
Hope to see some pictures from you soon

Fantomas said:
even ISO50 is dissapointing:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19253500

from your own gallery.

Andy Landfather said:

Your shot at 380mm eq FL 1/60 shutter is approximately equal to me
taking a full zoom (105mm eq) shot with my 5050 at 1/15 shutter.

Anyone with experience with a 3x zoom camera knows you are DARN
lucky to get a good shot at that.

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http://jenspics.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {C8BED9E6-05D5-4926-8B2F-57C5A26DD43E} {F40D866B-004B-409D-800F-A319CC08DDF2}tn.jpg

http://jenspics.instantlogic.com/Gallery.ilx?idVisitor= {87B042A1-6BAF-4897-B433-14DD8F84E597}

mark1000 · Jul 26, 2003

WELL WELL WELL, I'VE JUST SEEN ON ANOTHER POST ABOUT WHITE DOTS ON A 750 AND YOU SAY YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A CAMERA.

SO HOW CAN YOU SAY I CANT HAND HOLD A LOW SHUTTER SPEED WHEN YOU CANT EVEN PRACTISE THE METHOD YOURSELF.

I THINK YOU NEED TO GET A CAMERA YOUR SELF BEFORE YOU START CALLING OTHER POSTERS LIARS.

MARKO.

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

yes, Dean, I gues I will get the C4000, but not completely sure, as the 10X zoom is still quite attractive to me.

Anyway, I am eager to have a camera to put in practice all the theory that I have learned all these months.

cheers

Dean45 said:
Dean45 said:

even ISO50 is dissapointing:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19253500

from your own gallery.

Andy Landfather said:

Your shot at 380mm eq FL 1/60 shutter is approximately equal to me
taking a full zoom (105mm eq) shot with my 5050 at 1/15 shutter.

Anyone with experience with a 3x zoom camera knows you are DARN
lucky to get a good shot at that.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--

http://jenspics.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {C8BED9E6-05D5-4926-8B2F-57C5A26DD43E} {F40D866B-004B-409D-800F-A319CC08DDF2}tn.jpg

http://jenspics.instantlogic.com/Gallery.ilx?idVisitor= {87B042A1-6BAF-4897-B433-14DD8F84E597}

Corne26033 · Jul 26, 2003

I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

congratulations, mister Sherlock Holmes, you have found the ultimate truth:
"Fantomas has no camera".

you must be the last one to know, hahaha.

keep posting in capitals, it is quite funny.

by the way, your tripod must be a very good one. Please, tell us the brand and model.

thanks

mark1000 said:
WELL WELL WELL, I'VE JUST SEEN ON ANOTHER POST ABOUT WHITE DOTS ON
A 750 AND YOU SAY YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A CAMERA.

SO HOW CAN YOU SAY I CANT HAND HOLD A LOW SHUTTER SPEED WHEN YOU
CANT EVEN PRACTISE THE METHOD YOURSELF.

I THINK YOU NEED TO GET A CAMERA YOUR SELF BEFORE YOU START CALLING
OTHER POSTERS LIARS.

MARKO.

mark1000 · Jul 26, 2003

Fantomas said:
congratulations, mister Sherlock Holmes, you have found the
ultimate truth:
"Fantomas has no camera".

you must be the last one to know, hahaha.

keep posting in capitals, it is quite funny.

by the way, your tripod must be a very good one. Please, tell us
the brand and model.

thanks

Another post from fantomas, what great content, accusations and slander seem to be the norm for you , the brand of my tripod, let me think, oh yes it's that thing on the end of my arm, a hand.

A quote from mr fantomas on another post.

" from now on, if you try to inflame my posts, I won't reply to you."

do me a favour, dont reply to my honest posts, liars not welcome..

marko

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

and what about focusing?

Focusing into the moon is probably easier than focusing into a flower at 10X, isn't it? correct me if I am wrong.

I guess the auto-focus will have it very difficult to focus into a flower at 10X on an overcast day, unless you are using manual focus, or a tripod.

Corne said:
I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm
pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom
handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with
B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit
much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones
that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much
feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make
sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the
exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

mark1000 · Jul 26, 2003

Fantomas said:
and what about focusing?
Focusing into the moon is probably easier than focusing into a
flower at 10X, isn't it? correct me if I am wrong.

I guess the auto-focus will have it very difficult to focus into a
flower at 10X on an overcast day, unless you are using manual
focus, or a tripod.

Whats up fantomas, you just cant take anyones word for it can you.

Honesty on this forum is the best policy.

marko

Fantomas said:
Corne said:

I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm
pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom
handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with
B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit
much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones
that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much
feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make
sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the
exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

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Heinz · Jul 26, 2003

Guess focusing on the moon is quite easy. Just set to infinity

)))
Heinz

Fantomas said:
I guess the auto-focus will have it very difficult to focus into a
flower at 10X on an overcast day, unless you are using manual
focus, or a tripod.

Corne said:

I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm
pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom
handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with
B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit
much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones
that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much
feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make
sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the
exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

Click to expand...

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

theponja said:
I can tell you I do my homework. Over a year a red all the forums,
reviews, etc. etc. in the internet about cameras and especially
long zoom,
and next I took my choose. But the bad perfomance in low light
surprises me.
But today I get a lot of wonderfools pictures with my childrens at
the zoo. Then I keep the camera
And for the indoors with low light I will use my SLR + ISO 800 film

Buy one, you are losing all the diversion

ahhh, but I don't have another camera for indoors!! this will be my first camera!

have you found the solution? for focusing problems? indoors too?

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

Heinz said:
Guess focusing on the moon is quite easy. Just set to infinity
)))

that is what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure, so I prefered to ask

))

Member said:
Heinz

Fantomas said:

I guess the auto-focus will have it very difficult to focus into a
flower at 10X on an overcast day, unless you are using manual
focus, or a tripod.

Corne said:

I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm
pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom
handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with
B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit
much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones
that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much
feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make
sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the
exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

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Andy Landfather · Jul 26, 2003

Yea, I'm certainly not saying it's impossible, I've learned to do quite well also...use the optical viewfinder - cramming the camera body into your forhead and cheek...squeezing the shutter button like a hair trigger... hehe. Good job btw.

Actually incredible job based on my meager experience with long zoom. I have made a mount for my 800mm fl refractor telescope just to get a taste of it... I'm not sure what the fl turns out to be, it was as I say, an 800mm focal length telescope with an approximately 40mm eyepiece taken out of an old rifle scope, hehe, and the camera at about 12mm fl.

It was on a tripod and even so the slightest breeze would cause blur. I had to trigger the shutter with the remote.

Corne said:
I know about that shutterspeed/focal length rule of thumb, but I'm
pretty sure Mark isn't exceptional in being able to take full zoom
handheld shots at 1/60s. Here's a handheld pic from my c730 with
B300. Cropped, resized but no sharpening. 1/80s at 646mm is a bit
much and this one did take several attempts (threw out the ones
that were no good). 1/60s at full zoom w/o the tele is pretty much
feasible to me, at most I'll take one or two extra shots to make
sure I get one sharp pic.

I do agree you can't allways shoot at iso50 though. Sometimes the
exposure will require 1/30s, or 1/15s.
Regards ;-)

--
http://www.pbase.com/andylandfather
http://www.pbase.com/andylandfather1/olympus_c-5050

Fantomas · Jul 26, 2003

mark1000 said:
Another post from fantomas, what great content, accusations and
slander seem to be the norm for you , the brand of my tripod, let
me think, oh yes it's that thing on the end of my arm, a hand.

so it is a first-hand tripod? or second-hand? please, be more specific

))

mark1000 said:
A quote from mr fantomas on another post.

" from now on, if you try to inflame my posts, I won't reply to you."

do me a favour, dont reply to my honest posts, liars not welcome..

marko

wow! you are quite a neurotic person. It seems that you are tracking all my posts, hahaha. Very good, that makes me feel someone important

))

It is curious, if my oppinions are complete waste, how is that you are spending so much time with me?
I haven't tracked a single post of yours. not interested.

look how absurd you are. you believe that I believe that the C750 is a very bad camera. But this is absurd, because I still considering to buy a C750, hahaha.

I won't answer more neurotic posts from you. If you behave like a person, I will reply to you, otherwise, not.

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