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Well, after what seemed like very long 7 hours, the first contracted event is over. I arrived at the venue at around 6PM, and left around 1 o clock in the morning. Exhausted. I made a few mistakes, that I'll fix the next time I do this. Some of them not specifically photography related, but about health and comfort.

1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.

2. The venue was darker than I expected, and the ceiling was higher too, so reflecting the flash to the ceiling burned batteries like hell. All and all, I was able to shoot straight with two sets of Eneloop AAs. I brought 3 sets, and had 1 charging after I exhausted the fist one.

3. Face recognition + small AF square + slow zoom, is a recipe for disaster. I shot half the event with this combination, and AF reliability was around 60%, no more. A few hours later, I realized that increasing the size of the AF spot actually improved focusing abilities.

4. I know you guys told me about this one, but sadly I couldn't afford it in time. I don't have the right lens for this type of low light events. The 20mm hunted a lot, making it very difficult to AF at moving subjects (people dancing like Disney World teacups). So, as of this now, the 12-50mm and the 20mm are on sale, and I already have the 12-40mm ready to order. I might get rid of the 45mm also, if I find myself not using it very much once I get the 12-40.

5. I had to use the 12-50mm for almost 95% of the shots, simply because I was walking around the tables, asking people for a group shot, and the 20mm was simply not wide enough. And I didn't had enough room to move back and grab everyone. That's why I'm getting the 12-40mm ASAP.

6. The Yongnuo 560 IV flash performed flawlessly. I had my 560 III on standby, just in case. All the shots were taken with the head pointed at the ceiling, with the white card extended, just to fill up some shadows on people's faces.

7. All shots where in M mode, ISO 1600, wide open (as much as the 12-50mm could do, depending of the zoom setting), around 1/40th and 1/20th of a sec shutter speed, and the flash between 1/8th and 1/16th of power. The 1/40th speed gave me some halos when people were moving fast, which look kind of nice, and give the sense of movement, without loosing too much sharpness.

8. My son was using the E-M10, that's why you see some shots at ISO 3200 or 800, if outside. For the next time, I'll let him take more pictures, and help me out while I rest. This definitively would be easier as a 2 man job.

9. I took 780 shots, and ended up at around 340 for the final edit. I shot every group of people twice, and that technique saved me from people closing eyes more than once.

I'm still processing all images in Lightroom, since I shot RAW (Light conditions were not ideal, so I went the safest way).

Here is just a quick sample of them. I still have lots to do, so I might post some others later.

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Downstairs venue, where all started. Still enough light for ISO 800. There was a photo booth taking pictures against a huge doll dressed with typical Panamanian costumes. The theme of the night was, "Tipico" (Folklore Panamanian dresses)


Light broke havoc of any kind of white balance. I opted for a warmer balance.


Fireworks display before entering the main venue


Dessert station


People entering main hall room


A group of Folklore dancers animating the night


Guests imitating the professional dancers. There was this harsh laser like light dancing around the place. I wanted to take it down.


The Group

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Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 

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Well, after what seemed like very long 7 hours, the first contracted event is over. I arrived at the venue at around 6PM, and left around 1 o clock in the morning. Exhausted. I made a few mistakes, that I'll fix the next time I do this. Some of them not specifically photography related, but about health and comfort.

1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.
Get a Walkstool. I don't do an event without carrying one, which has been over ten years.
 
Shots look great! I bet your client will be very satisfied.



In regards to focusing, have you tried face detect? I use it on my gx7 and performs beautifully and frankly its a hell of a lot faster than selecting focusing point on a dslr.

And regards to standing for 7 hours... I can't help you. I'm quite young so longs shoots hasn't been a issue. I hope you can find a solution.
 
Thanks very much for sharing and detailing your experience. As a beginner who is starting to take on some informal (i.e. unpaid and mostly unsolicited) work at friends' events (I bring my GH3 with me..) it is very helpful to see this kind of practical information.

Lovely shot of the folklore dancer. The tight crop brings the viewer into the action. Did you get any low angles during the performances?

Congrats :)
 
You have some great shots, and I'm glad it went well.

(If you can afford it, I find the Panny 15mm F1.7 works well for group shots in low lighting and has very good image quality)

Regarding the pain in the legs, that gets me too, much of that is probably muscular, and there are some great leg stretches that one can do fairly innocuously more less standing up, using only a wall or a chair for support. Google "quad stretches", "Hamstring stretches" and "calf stretches".
 
Congrats, Martin. Glad it went well, except for your legs! Mine are only good for about an hour at a time these days.

As one of my bosses used to say "No one's good at being a virgin". He was right! None of us are good at doing anything the first time. You will definitely find it easier next time!

--
Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
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Please do not embed images from my web site without prior permission
I consider this to be a breach of my copyright.
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Well, after what seemed like very long 7 hours, the first contracted event is over. I arrived at the venue at around 6PM, and left around 1 o clock in the morning. Exhausted. I made a few mistakes, that I'll fix the next time I do this. Some of them not specifically photography related, but about health and comfort.

1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.

2. The venue was darker than I expected, and the ceiling was higher too, so reflecting the flash to the ceiling burned batteries like hell. All and all, I was able to shoot straight with two sets of Eneloop AAs. I brought 3 sets, and had 1 charging after I exhausted the fist one.
Yeh bouncing can be a real killer on batteries, carry that ceiling with you, always carry a rogue flash bender folded in your back pocket just in case, your flash units will recycle quicker and you will get more pops from each set of batteries.
3. Face recognition + small AF square + slow zoom, is a recipe for disaster. I shot half the event with this combination, and AF reliability was around 60%, no more. A few hours later, I realized that increasing the size of the AF spot actually improved focusing abilities.

4. I know you guys told me about this one, but sadly I couldn't afford it in time. I don't have the right lens for this type of low light events. The 20mm hunted a lot, making it very difficult to AF at moving subjects (people dancing like Disney World teacups). So, as of this now, the 12-50mm and the 20mm are on sale, and I already have the 12-40mm ready to order. I might get rid of the 45mm also, if I find myself not using it very much once I get the 12-40.

5. I had to use the 12-50mm for almost 95% of the shots, simply because I was walking around the tables, asking people for a group shot, and the 20mm was simply not wide enough. And I didn't had enough room to move back and grab everyone. That's why I'm getting the 12-40mm ASAP.

6. The Yongnuo 560 IV flash performed flawlessly. I had my 560 III on standby, just in case. All the shots were taken with the head pointed at the ceiling, with the white card extended, just to fill up some shadows on people's faces.

7. All shots where in M mode, ISO 1600, wide open (as much as the 12-50mm could do, depending of the zoom setting), around 1/40th and 1/20th of a sec shutter speed, and the flash between 1/8th and 1/16th of power. The 1/40th speed gave me some halos when people were moving fast, which look kind of nice, and give the sense of movement, without loosing too much sharpness.

8. My son was using the E-M10, that's why you see some shots at ISO 3200 or 800, if outside. For the next time, I'll let him take more pictures, and help me out while I rest. This definitively would be easier as a 2 man job.

9. I took 780 shots, and ended up at around 340 for the final edit. I shot every group of people twice, and that technique saved me from people closing eyes more than once.

I'm still processing all images in Lightroom, since I shot RAW (Light conditions were not ideal, so I went the safest way).

Here is just a quick sample of them. I still have lots to do, so I might post some others later.

[ATTACH alt="Downstairs venue, where all started. Still enough light for ISO 800. There was a photo booth taking pictures against a huge doll dressed with typical Panamanian costumes. The theme of the night was, "Tipico" (Folklore Panamanian dresses)"]media_3334941[/ATTACH]
Downstairs venue, where all started. Still enough light for ISO 800. There was a photo booth taking pictures against a huge doll dressed with typical Panamanian costumes. The theme of the night was, "Tipico" (Folklore Panamanian dresses)


Light broke havoc of any kind of white balance. I opted for a warmer balance.


Fireworks display before entering the main venue


Dessert station


People entering main hall room


A group of Folklore dancers animating the night


Guests imitating the professional dancers. There was this harsh laser like light dancing around the place. I wanted to take it down.


The Group

--
Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
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Well, after what seemed like very long 7 hours, the first contracted event is over. I arrived at the venue at around 6PM, and left around 1 o clock in the morning. Exhausted. I made a few mistakes, that I'll fix the next time I do this. Some of them not specifically photography related, but about health and comfort.

1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.

2. The venue was darker than I expected, and the ceiling was higher too, so reflecting the flash to the ceiling burned batteries like hell. All and all, I was able to shoot straight with two sets of Eneloop AAs. I brought 3 sets, and had 1 charging after I exhausted the fist one.

3. Face recognition + small AF square + slow zoom, is a recipe for disaster. I shot half the event with this combination, and AF reliability was around 60%, no more. A few hours later, I realized that increasing the size of the AF spot actually improved focusing abilities.

4. I know you guys told me about this one, but sadly I couldn't afford it in time. I don't have the right lens for this type of low light events. The 20mm hunted a lot, making it very difficult to AF at moving subjects (people dancing like Disney World teacups). So, as of this now, the 12-50mm and the 20mm are on sale, and I already have the 12-40mm ready to order. I might get rid of the 45mm also, if I find myself not using it very much once I get the 12-40.

5. I had to use the 12-50mm for almost 95% of the shots, simply because I was walking around the tables, asking people for a group shot, and the 20mm was simply not wide enough. And I didn't had enough room to move back and grab everyone. That's why I'm getting the 12-40mm ASAP.

6. The Yongnuo 560 IV flash performed flawlessly. I had my 560 III on standby, just in case. All the shots were taken with the head pointed at the ceiling, with the white card extended, just to fill up some shadows on people's faces.

7. All shots where in M mode, ISO 1600, wide open (as much as the 12-50mm could do, depending of the zoom setting), around 1/40th and 1/20th of a sec shutter speed, and the flash between 1/8th and 1/16th of power. The 1/40th speed gave me some halos when people were moving fast, which look kind of nice, and give the sense of movement, without loosing too much sharpness.

8. My son was using the E-M10, that's why you see some shots at ISO 3200 or 800, if outside. For the next time, I'll let him take more pictures, and help me out while I rest. This definitively would be easier as a 2 man job.

9. I took 780 shots, and ended up at around 340 for the final edit. I shot every group of people twice, and that technique saved me from people closing eyes more than once.

I'm still processing all images in Lightroom, since I shot RAW (Light conditions were not ideal, so I went the safest way).
If you get the chance knock up a couple of dual illuminant dcp profiles, these can work wonders with the skin tone`s within Lr.
Here is just a quick sample of them. I still have lots to do, so I might post some others later.

[ATTACH alt="Downstairs venue, where all started. Still enough light for ISO 800. There was a photo booth taking pictures against a huge doll dressed with typical Panamanian costumes. The theme of the night was, "Tipico" (Folklore Panamanian dresses)"]media_3334941[/ATTACH]
Downstairs venue, where all started. Still enough light for ISO 800. There was a photo booth taking pictures against a huge doll dressed with typical Panamanian costumes. The theme of the night was, "Tipico" (Folklore Panamanian dresses)


Light broke havoc of any kind of white balance. I opted for a warmer balance.


Fireworks display before entering the main venue


Dessert station


People entering main hall room


A group of Folklore dancers animating the night


Guests imitating the professional dancers. There was this harsh laser like light dancing around the place. I wanted to take it down.


The Group

--
Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
Well, I did shot a color checker passport target before the event, but the color lights all around the place fooled the white balance quite a bit, so it was not easy task to make it right. I did created a profile with the passport, and applied it to all the files, but even though many of them needed a bit of tweaking. Thankfully I shot RAW exclusively.
 
Well, after what seemed like very long 7 hours, the first contracted event is over. I arrived at the venue at around 6PM, and left around 1 o clock in the morning. Exhausted. I made a few mistakes, that I'll fix the next time I do this. Some of them not specifically photography related, but about health and comfort.

1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.
Get a Walkstool. I don't do an event without carrying one, which has been over ten years.
Good advice, I'll do that. Thanks.
 
Thanks very much for sharing and detailing your experience. As a beginner who is starting to take on some informal (i.e. unpaid and mostly unsolicited) work at friends' events (I bring my GH3 with me..) it is very helpful to see this kind of practical information.

Lovely shot of the folklore dancer. The tight crop brings the viewer into the action. Did you get any low angles during the performances?

Congrats :)
Thanks. Yeah, I shot 780 images overall, but it takes time to process them all. I'll post some more soon.
 
You have some great shots, and I'm glad it went well.

(If you can afford it, I find the Panny 15mm F1.7 works well for group shots in low lighting and has very good image quality)

Regarding the pain in the legs, that gets me too, much of that is probably muscular, and there are some great leg stretches that one can do fairly innocuously more less standing up, using only a wall or a chair for support. Google "quad stretches", "Hamstring stretches" and "calf stretches".
 
Congrats, Martin. Glad it went well, except for your legs! Mine are only good for about an hour at a time these days.

As one of my bosses used to say "No one's good at being a virgin". He was right! None of us are good at doing anything the first time. You will definitely find it easier next time!

--
Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
.
Please do not embed images from my web site without prior permission
I consider this to be a breach of my copyright.
-- -- --
.
The Camera doth not make the Man (nor Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats, dogs & children does ...
.
Galleries: http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/v/main-page/

C120644_small.jpg


Bird Control Officers on active service.
Tell me about it, John. Thanks. Definitively I now know a TON of things for the next time. And the first one is Health and Comfort. It should be above all.

--
Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
1. Can't stand for 7 hours straight. The body, or at least my almost 50 years old body can't take it. Maybe at my early 20s I could stand all day, but not anymore. I need to find a place to sit and rest from time to time, and drink a lot of water. Even if that means loosing some photo ops. When I arrived home, I couldn't sleep due to the pain in my legs. I had to take a pain killer to grab some sleep.
I feel your pain. Felt the same on few occasions in the past. Here's something that might help (the relevant part start around 0:45). I haven't tried this yet, but will try the next time I need to stand or walk for hours on end.

And congrats on finishing your first job. Sounds like a success :-) And remember to always back up your work stuff :-)
 
Congratulations for your first job and the results. The photos are really nice.

Of course, everyone makes mistakes especially at the beginning but you got some helpful tips here but I will just add one important tip that can save you lots of troubles for future jobs.

There is nothing more frustrating than to arrive to the venue and find in expected surprises, therefore whenever possible you should go and visit the venue before the event in order to prepare yourself for the job. You can check for issues such as lighting, obstacles, ceiling height, wall color, resting place etc. Make it a habit and it will make your life easier in the future.

Moti
 
Well, I did shot a color checker passport target before the event, but the color lights all around the place fooled the white balance quite a bit, so it was not easy task to make it right. I did created a profile with the passport, and applied it to all the files, but even though many of them needed a bit of tweaking. Thankfully I shot RAW exclusively.

--
Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
Yeh you also need to shot a custom WB here and there as well, the worst thing you can do is leave the camera in auto wb (unless your looking forward to all the extra work in post)

Its also good to keep a few ready made dual illuminant profiles, these are always handy in the bottom of your tool box.
 
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Congratulations! Well done & sincere thanks for sharing!

Actually, you are doing yourself a favour too! Because by sharing with us, you will remember better!! (I know, I do a - much smaller - job, and then think "Iif only I'd..." and then forget because I don't write it down!

Mike
 
Congratulations for your first job and the results. The photos are really nice.

Of course, everyone makes mistakes especially at the beginning but you got some helpful tips here but I will just add one important tip that can save you lots of troubles for future jobs.

There is nothing more frustrating than to arrive to the venue and find in expected surprises, therefore whenever possible you should go and visit the venue before the event in order to prepare yourself for the job. You can check for issues such as lighting, obstacles, ceiling height, wall color, resting place etc. Make it a habit and it will make your life easier in the future.
Checking in advance sometimes doesn't help. I shoot mainly for the American Cancer Society. The last ACS event I shot ACS decides they want low purple lights at an awards banquet. I've done events at this particular restaurant before and couldn't believe my eyes. Thank God I shoot raw, brought fast glass and flash, and did a lot of pp afterwards.
 
Congratulations for your first job and the results. The photos are really nice.

Of course, everyone makes mistakes especially at the beginning but you got some helpful tips here but I will just add one important tip that can save you lots of troubles for future jobs.

There is nothing more frustrating than to arrive to the venue and find in expected surprises, therefore whenever possible you should go and visit the venue before the event in order to prepare yourself for the job. You can check for issues such as lighting, obstacles, ceiling height, wall color, resting place etc. Make it a habit and it will make your life easier in the future.
Checking in advance sometimes doesn't help. I shoot mainly for the American Cancer Society. The last ACS event I shot ACS decides they want low purple lights at an awards banquet. I've done events at this particular restaurant before and couldn't believe my eyes. Thank God I shoot raw, brought fast glass and flash, and did a lot of pp afterwards.
Just pack a colorchecker passport with you, its small enough to slip in a pocket and it can save you a lot of work post.
 
Congratulations for your first job and the results. The photos are really nice.

Of course, everyone makes mistakes especially at the beginning but you got some helpful tips here but I will just add one important tip that can save you lots of troubles for future jobs.

There is nothing more frustrating than to arrive to the venue and find in expected surprises, therefore whenever possible you should go and visit the venue before the event in order to prepare yourself for the job. You can check for issues such as lighting, obstacles, ceiling height, wall color, resting place etc. Make it a habit and it will make your life easier in the future.
Checking in advance sometimes doesn't help. I shoot mainly for the American Cancer Society. The last ACS event I shot ACS decides they want low purple lights at an awards banquet. I've done events at this particular restaurant before and couldn't believe my eyes. Thank God I shoot raw, brought fast glass and flash, and did a lot of pp afterwards.
Indeed, if I've visited the venue in early days, I wouldn't had any idea they were going to use colored spotlights and laser like lights that broke any kind of white balance. Definitively getting the place profiled with a Colorchecker, and shooting RAW is a lifesaver. The LR profile won't fix the strange color casts of the spotlights, but is a great starting point. I simply create the profile first with the passport shot, create the profile, and apply it to all the photos of that event. Then I tweak from that point forward.
 

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