D7200 for 800 new... Conflicted

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Hey all, long time listener, first time caller here.

I found d a deal for a D7200. It was my plan to ride out my m43 equipment until I upgraded to a full frame camera. But, recently, I've started wondering if a high end apsc camera would suit my needs fine.

I primarily take photos at comic conventions, and occasionally do studio shoots for fashion and portraits. My primary worry is noise in low light shoots. Convention lighting is spotty, and in darker shots, the noise kills me.

What are your thoughts?
 
Hey all, long time listener, first time caller here.

I found d a deal for a D7200.

I primarily take photos at comic conventions, and occasionally do studio shoots for fashion and portraits. My primary worry is noise in low light shoots. Convention lighting is spotty, and in darker shots, the noise kills me.
I edited you subject line so that it read $800. Does that include a lens? If so... get one for me as well!

The D7200 is probably your best chance for that low-light work. Not sure why so many shooters seek out poor lighting.
 
Don't know if I can post a link to a store for another site, but it's on sale at Digital Rev. No lens. So I wouldn't be losing out to much by going for this rather than something like the 610?
 
The difference would be one and a third stop of noise. What is your budget? Can you pay for fx lenses?

There are numerous threads on this forum on fx vs dx, have a look at some of those.

Me, personally, if I had the budget, I would spring for fx.

One underrated thing in d7200 is instant one button zoom to focus point, missing in d610.
 
I haven't looked into fx lens pricing yet, just dx.

My money would come from liquidating most of my m43 collection. A few bodies, a few expensive Oly lenses, the Leica 25mm, etc. Probably around 2300-ish to work with, at best guess.
 
I haven't looked into fx lens pricing yet, just dx.

My money would come from liquidating most of my m43 collection. A few bodies, a few expensive Oly lenses, the Leica 25mm, etc. Probably around 2300-ish to work with, at best guess.
what is Olympus NOT doing for you that you NEED from a Nikon dslr?
 
Don't know if I can post a link to a store for another site, but it's on sale at Digital Rev. No lens. So I wouldn't be losing out to much by going for this rather than something like the 610?
Interesting as I'm in the market for the same camera. I'm not sure, but I suspect Digital Rev is advertising a grey market or import version of the D7200. I couldn't see anything specific indicating that, but they do describe a "local warranty" process that seems to address the mfg's warranty. Not sure where you reside, but please note that Nikon USA will not recognize the warranty of a imported version of a camera. And I seem to recall hearing stories that Nikon USA goes so far as to refuse to perform service on import/gray market cameras (although I may be completely wrong on that point - others will be able to confirm that). In any event, in the US, the buyer of an import Nikon would have to shoulder the costs of repair or obtain some type of supplemental 3rd party warranty. Personally, I would pass on an import camera given the above although I am tempted by some of their lenses. Please let us know what you find out and how you decide to proceed.
 
Don't know if I can post a link to a store for another site, but it's on sale at Digital Rev. No lens. So I wouldn't be losing out to much by going for this rather than something like the 610?
Interesting as I'm in the market for the same camera. I'm not sure, but I suspect Digital Rev is advertising a grey market or import version of the D7200. I couldn't see anything specific indicating that, but they do describe a "local warranty" process that seems to address the mfg's warranty. Not sure where you reside, but please note that Nikon USA will not recognize the warranty of a imported version of a camera. And I seem to recall hearing stories that Nikon USA goes so far as to refuse to perform service on import/gray market cameras (although I may be completely wrong on that point - others will be able to confirm that). In any event, in the US, the buyer of an import Nikon would have to shoulder the costs of repair or obtain some type of supplemental 3rd party warranty. Personally, I would pass on an import camera given the above although I am tempted by some of their lenses. Please let us know what you find out and how you decide to proceed.
That is correct it will be a non-US market Camera. What you point out is true but you get their warranty for 1 year. Also you can use Nikon authorized service centers who will happily take your money to fix.

I fully agree that you can get other insurance and that is indeed the way to go.

Not sure why grey scares so many away. The highest most likely damage to your gear will be imposed by you. Drop, fall, fire, water, theft other damage. ALL NOT COVERED by any warranty but covered by a homeowners insurance policy rider. For cheap as well.

Even Adorama and B&H sell grey market (clearly marked as import). It is not the evil product many make it out to be but agree you need to be informed.

To the OP - $839 is an awesome price on this awesome gear. I know I journeyed into the smaller sensor stuff - a great tool but I missed the IQ of my D7100. I knew when my wife said - "your old camera took much better pictures than this one...."

I snagged a referb for $489 - that is what I would do if I were you. The 7200 is better but not sure that much better.

http://www.adorama.com/INKD7100R.html

Also - if you have your heart set on the FX gear, this will just be another disappointment. I like the crop of DX and the reach it gives me. IQ is more than enough IMHO. But again the heart wants what the heart wants. If you go FX glass and the bodies are indeed more, quite a bit more than your budget. YMMV.

Mike
 
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Don't know if I can post a link to a store for another site, but it's on sale at Digital Rev. No lens. So I wouldn't be losing out to much by going for this rather than something like the 610?
Interesting as I'm in the market for the same camera. I'm not sure, but I suspect Digital Rev is advertising a grey market or import version of the D7200. I couldn't see anything specific indicating that, but they do describe a "local warranty" process that seems to address the mfg's warranty. Not sure where you reside, but please note that Nikon USA will not recognize the warranty of a imported version of a camera. And I seem to recall hearing stories that Nikon USA goes so far as to refuse to perform service on import/gray market cameras (although I may be completely wrong on that point - others will be able to confirm that). In any event, in the US, the buyer of an import Nikon would have to shoulder the costs of repair or obtain some type of supplemental 3rd party warranty. Personally, I would pass on an import camera given the above although I am tempted by some of their lenses. Please let us know what you find out and how you decide to proceed.
That is correct it will be a non-US market Camera. What you point out is true but you get their warranty for 1 year. Also you can use Nikon authorized service centers who will happily take your money to fix.

I fully agree that you can get other insurance and that is indeed the way to go.

Not sure why grey scares so many away. The highest most likely damage to your gear will be imposed by you. Drop, fall, fire, water, theft other damage. ALL NOT COVERED by any warranty but covered by a homeowners insurance policy rider. For cheap as well.

Even Adorama and B&H sell grey market (clearly marked as import). It is not the evil product many make it out to be but agree you need to be informed.

To the OP - $839 is an awesome price on this awesome gear. I know I journeyed into the smaller sensor stuff - a great tool but I missed the IQ of my D7100. I knew when my wife said - "your old camera took much better pictures than this one...."

I snagged a referb for $489 - that is what I would do if I were you. The 7200 is better but not sure that much better.

http://www.adorama.com/INKD7100R.html

Also - if you have your heart set on the FX gear, this will just be another disappointment. I like the crop of DX and the reach it gives me. IQ is more than enough IMHO. But again the heart wants what the heart wants. If you go FX glass and the bodies are indeed more, quite a bit more than your budget. YMMV.

Mike
You make some good points. And to be clear, I'm not taking a position on the relative merits of a "US camera" vs an import. I am pointing out the differences in an effort that the OP can make an informed decision. (personally, I think Nikon adheres to this policy more for reasons having to do with controlling inventory levels, managing currency exchange rates, etc rather than providing a service to its customers.....)

It certainly makes sense to have some type of warranty in place for relatively expensive consumer goods. Where that warranty originates is not really an issue, but the terms and conditions is an issue - the prospective customer should review to determine if coverages are comparable or meet their needs (and correct, no warranty is going to cover wear and tear, abuse, etc). Including on a homeowners policy is sound advice. At the very least, a complete listing of photographic equipment (preferably with pictures of said equipment and preferably with copies of invoices or receipts) should be made and kept off site. If equipment is particularly expensive or collectible/rare, a rider is advised. And if extremely valuable (say the 13 mm fisheye hiding in the closet) it should be appraised an experienced and licensed appriasier. All this is suggested as making any potential claims process as easy as possible. You don't want to be haggling over value of that fisheye after a house fire or tornado....
 
Don't know if I can post a link to a store for another site, but it's on sale at Digital Rev. No lens. So I wouldn't be losing out to much by going for this rather than something like the 610?
Interesting as I'm in the market for the same camera. I'm not sure, but I suspect Digital Rev is advertising a grey market or import version of the D7200. I couldn't see anything specific indicating that, but they do describe a "local warranty" process that seems to address the mfg's warranty. Not sure where you reside, but please note that Nikon USA will not recognize the warranty of a imported version of a camera. And I seem to recall hearing stories that Nikon USA goes so far as to refuse to perform service on import/gray market cameras (although I may be completely wrong on that point - others will be able to confirm that). In any event, in the US, the buyer of an import Nikon would have to shoulder the costs of repair or obtain some type of supplemental 3rd party warranty. Personally, I would pass on an import camera given the above although I am tempted by some of their lenses. Please let us know what you find out and how you decide to proceed.
That is correct it will be a non-US market Camera. What you point out is true but you get their warranty for 1 year. Also you can use Nikon authorized service centers who will happily take your money to fix.
Not in the US (and now Canada, I think). Nikon USA will not service any Grey Market lens or camera body...under warranty or for a fee. Unfortunately, the newer Nikon bodies all require special software to enable repair and Nikon USA is the only source, so no other 3rd party repair option in the US.
Even Adorama and B&H sell grey market (clearly marked as import). It is not the evil product many make it out to be but agree you need to be informed.
They do but selling far fewer due to the repair policy in the US.
 
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Not sure why so many shooters seek out poor lighting.
LOL.

Life doesn't always happen in good light.

And adding flash isn't always the preferred way to go.



Sometimes flash isn't even an option since it is not allowed.


IMHO, get a camera that is good at high iso / low light and you can capture more of those moments along the way.

Us parents are being spoiled with the current Nikon DX and FX cameras. :)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
I haven't looked into fx lens pricing yet, just dx.

My money would come from liquidating most of my m43 collection. A few bodies, a few expensive Oly lenses, the Leica 25mm, etc. Probably around 2300-ish to work with, at best guess.
2300-ish might get you a D610 with a used Tamron 28-75mm f2.8?

Not a bad place to start.

Wide for shooting groups, especially in confined spaces or where you don't have a lot of choice on where you stand.

But the D7200 is no slouch. But if you use the same 28-75mm f2.8 on it, you might find it hard to take pictures of large groups.

Are you using flash? Flash can go a long way in poor lighting situations as well.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
Not in the US (and now Canada, I think). Nikon USA will not service any Grey Market lens or camera body...under warranty or for a fee. Unfortunately, the newer Nikon bodies all require special software to enable repair and Nikon USA is the only source, so no other 3rd party repair option in the US.
Even Adorama and B&H sell grey market (clearly marked as import). It is not the evil product many make it out to be but agree you need to be informed.
They do but selling far fewer due to the repair policy in the US.
 
Not in the US (and now Canada, I think). Nikon USA will not service any Grey Market lens or camera body...under warranty or for a fee. Unfortunately, the newer Nikon bodies all require special software to enable repair and Nikon USA is the only source, so no other 3rd party repair option in the US.
Even Adorama and B&H sell grey market (clearly marked as import). It is not the evil product many make it out to be but agree you need to be informed.
They do but selling far fewer due to the repair policy in the US.
 
The price is so good, buy it and then see whether it is good enough, it will be a lot better than m4/3. It's about as good as a D700 noise wise, so really good. Still a D610 or D750 or D810 is better but then you'll need ff lenses. (I used all those cameras, do I know what I'm talking about). Anyway, if you don't like the camera, sell it, you won't lose any money on it. Have fun with it.
 
I do use flash, on occasion, but in large areas where bounce flash is hard to use, I find a more direct flash seems to make the light harsh on the subject by comparison to the background.
 
I was curious about that as well!

I couldn't find anything one way or the other about the import status of the camera.
 
I do use flash, on occasion, but in large areas where bounce flash is hard to use, I find a more direct flash seems to make the light harsh on the subject by comparison to the background.
It does. With an appropriate camera body you can move the flash off-body (left hand, flash, held high and left, right hand, click the shutter) (D7K series does this) and get away from direct flash. Otherwise, you can try one of the various flash diffusers to soften the light.
 
I do use flash, on occasion, but in large areas where bounce flash is hard to use, I find a more direct flash seems to make the light harsh on the subject by comparison to the background.
Just curious where flash worked into your mix.

IMHO . . .

. . . if you used flash more, then D7200 would go farther than without flash.

. . . if you don't use flash as much, then FX has a bit of an advantage at pulling detail out of less than ideal light.

Six of one. Half dozen of the other. They are both good IMHO.

The benefit of both (D7200 and D610) is that they can trigger a flash unit off camera with TTL. (Or just run a wire to it.)

Get a Nikon SB-700 and hand hold it like Joe McNally.


Check out the last picture. :)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 

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