convince me to leave Nikon

Fotoloco · Nov 15, 2015

Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

No account anymore · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

You loose the opportunity to learn a completely new camera system to know.

Fotoloco said:
with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

Why do it need to be very similar? Why not look at your needs?

Fotoloco said:
my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great.

I doubt you can tell any differences from large format prints from fully processed files!

Fotoloco said:
also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

You need MUCH more than five minutes in a store to get used to totally different ergonomy and New user interface.

Why should we convince you to go for Sony instead of Nikon? You are the one who have to live with the camera system.

Tim Devine · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

You can map eye focus to a single button.

RichRMA · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

What camera do you own now?

JimKasson · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons,

Not so, except at ISO 64 for the D810.

Nikon D810 vs Sony a7RII dark-field noise - the last word

Some of you asked for this: The red, green, and blue raw channels are all on top of each other. The D810 curve is the one that starts at ISO 32 and goes to ISO 50K. The a7RII curve is the one that starts at ISO 50 and goes to ISO 100K. These curves are

blog.kasson.com

Summary:

The D810 has better base ISO read noise and EDR.
The cameras are neck and neck at ISO 100.
At ISO 640, the a7RII pulls ahead and stays ahead.
The a7RII improvement at ISO 32000 and above is bogus, accomplished through in-camera spatial low-pass filtering.

Jim

RichRMA · Nov 15, 2015

JimKasson said:
Fotoloco said:

Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons,

Click to expand...

Not so, except at ISO 64 for the D810.

http://blog.kasson.com/?p=11168

Summary:

The D810 has better base ISO read noise and EDR.

The cameras are neck and neck at ISO 100.

At ISO 640, the a7RII pulls ahead and stays ahead.

The a7RII improvement at ISO 32000 and above is bogus, accomplished through in-camera spatial low-pass filtering.

And yet, the Sony does show more detail beyond 32,000 than the Nikon (did you mean 32,000 or 3,200?)

Stacey_K · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

A lot of money

Buy new - sell used expect 25-30% hit.

Fotoloco said:
with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

Very different camera shooting experience.

Fotoloco said:
my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

I'm not sure why you would want or expect anyone to convince you to do this?

GoneMirrorless · Nov 15, 2015

JimKasson said:
Fotoloco said:

Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons,

Click to expand...

Not so, except at ISO 64 for the D810.

http://blog.kasson.com/?p=11168

Summary:

The D810 has better base ISO read noise and EDR.

The cameras are neck and neck at ISO 100.

At ISO 640, the a7RII pulls ahead and stays ahead.

The a7RII improvement at ISO 32000 and above is bogus, accomplished through in-camera spatial low-pass filtering.

Jim

Fotoloco · Nov 15, 2015

convince me was poor choice of words. i am just trying to understand the advantages and disadvantages over a Nikon system 810 or 750 with similar lenses 24/5, 35, 50/55/58, and 85.

i have seen so much mixed info from ibis is great to sucks, from iso not as good to better.

and yes - playing for 5 minutes in store does not do it, but holding two buttons was so cumbersome, i do not think 5 years may be enough. i thought u has to map and hold to get the continuous eye focus to work. can you turn on eye focus in non profit continuous (finds then locks with 1/2 shuttee)?

RichRMA · Nov 15, 2015

GoneMirrorless said:
GoneMirrorless said:

Fotoloco said:

Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons,

Click to expand...

Not so, except at ISO 64 for the D810.

http://blog.kasson.com/?p=11168

Summary:

The D810 has better base ISO read noise and EDR.

The cameras are neck and neck at ISO 100.

At ISO 640, the a7RII pulls ahead and stays ahead.

The a7RII improvement at ISO 32000 and above is bogus, accomplished through in-camera spatial low-pass filtering.

Jim

Click to expand...

neil holmes · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

There you go!.....did it work?

Can you rent or borrow an A7Rii? I would try and do that or at least handle it yourself in a store.

Fotoloco · Nov 15, 2015

renting is a very good idea. 5 min in a store wont do it, but 48 hour intensive weekend will. that is what i will do.

brick33308 · Nov 15, 2015

if you're interested in learning about the A7RII, why not rent one for a few days from https://www.lensrentals.com/?

I was going to do that, coming from my Olympus EM1, from which before I had come from a Nikon D800. However, reading everything I could on the A7RII, I decided to jump in and buy rather than spend a couple of hundred dollars on renting the camera and lens. And I'm glad I did. By far my favorite things are face lock and eye focus - they're really remarkable. That together with the high ISO performance which is hugely better than my EM1 is why I couldn't be happier with the A7RII.

philip pj · Nov 15, 2015

Why? We don't want more people competing with us for lenses that are seven months on back order, any more than you want to abandon the good ship Nikon as she sails off into the DSLR setting sun:

'my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons'

'the ibis sounds not great.'

'two buttons was tough for me.'

there is your answer right there, Pal.

dave46978 · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

Stick with Nikon. If you can't decide, we sure can't help you decide. We don't know your needs.

Jeff2013 · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

If in doubt, you might be better off not making the change. If you shoot a lot of sports & action, do not make the switch.

I shoot both the D810 and A7RII (and A99). Overall, I get a higher percentage of sharper images with the A7RII (and A99) - particularly with fast lenses. I have had almost all the best Nikon glass. The Sony/Zeiss optics provide me with better IQ. Once you spend time using the EVF, going back to the Nikon OVF feels like going backwards in terms of technology (although, it is superior for continuous-drive sports action).

For Eye Detect, I set the AF/MF lever so that the down position enables the Eye Detect, so the functionality can be fast and effortless.

I originally purchased the A7X series cameras just for travel. I now use them for 80% of my shooting and get amazing results. Often, the results are stunning, as in a model shoot I did, yesterday, using Sony/Zeiss primes. At wide apertures, the Batis 85mm kills my Nikon 85mm f1.4 in terms of IQ and reliable focus. The same could be said for the 35mm f1.4 and 55mm f1.8 equivalents.

As you can gather from this forum, the A7X cameras are not for everyone, however. Renting first, is your best bet.

--
Jeff
Florida, USA
http://www.gr8photography.com

nearly-an-old-codger · Nov 15, 2015

Fotoloco said:
Or to at least give the A7RiI WITH THE 55 1.8 a try. how much will i loose if i do not like and sell?

with the 810 or 750,mimcan have a 24 1.8, 35 1.8, 50-58 1.4, and 85 1.8. sounds like can have very similar with the Sony.

my issue is seems iso performance is not as good as the Nikons, and the ibis sounds not great. also tried the continuous eye focus thing in a store and holding two buttons was tough for me.

First, I sold off all my Nikon gear last year including the D800e, my backup D5200 and a good amount of 1.4 and a few zooms including the new 80-400.

I miss the 58 and the native mount 80-400. Sony does not yet have a native 80-400 range although adapted options are available. The 55 Sony is great but an entirely different beast compared to the 58 which I loved but as you know is contentious in Nikon Land. The Sony Zeiss 35 1.4 (my copy) is wonderful and is also contentious in Sony Land due to reported QC issues. The Batis 25 and 85 are still on order but the guys I respect who have reviewed these lenses are bat sh*t crazy about them.

Getting used to an EVF was tough at first but I really love it. My only regret was that I partly left Nikon due to a dwindling interest in BIF, since revived. The Sony is not up to that but is quick enough for my other uses.

The Sony Flash system works but is not as complete yet as the Nikon system. Having said that, Brian Smith (Pro and Sony Artisan and contributes here) does great work but then he is a Pro!

One of the main advantages for me is focus peaking and IBIS on the primes plus lack of focus shift, on native mounts. It does not seem to raise its head. I like the A7RII sensor over my D800e.

Would I do it again, YES. Make sure you think it through for yourself.

That's a few of the things that come to mind. If I can think of more, I'll let you know.

Brian

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sportyaccordy · Nov 15, 2015

Just based on the lenses you use, it's not worth it. If you are OK with the DSLR form factor, you can't beat it. IBIS is worthless if you don't have the lenses you want.

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