G7x II any rumors?

damian5000 · Jul 3, 2015

RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:

I've missed any G7x II rumors.

With camera sales down, Canon may decide to cut costs by doing less frequent upgrades. I hope not.

Based on release date, the G1X II would be next in line for an update.

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Yep. Is the g7x even a year old?

No. It was released in Sept 14. If they're smart, they'll step up their development cycle to keep up with Sony by releasing a new version yearly. I'm waiting for it too, but the s120 is on its last legs.. Cracked LCD, volume rocker spring busted, severe clicking sounds during video while auto focusing... Not sure can wait 4 months. I'm looking at nx500 as well. Damn Sony for not putting a touchscreen. The new sensor, 4k, and 1/32,000 for video is compelling... But no touchscreen.. I don't want to step 10 years back in time.

damian5000 · Jul 3, 2015

damian5000 said:
damian5000 said:

damian5000 said:

I've missed any G7x II rumors.

With camera sales down, Canon may decide to cut costs by doing less frequent upgrades. I hope not.

Based on release date, the G1X II would be next in line for an update.

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Yep. Is the g7x even a year old?

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No. It was released in Sept 14. If they're smart, they'll step up their development cycle to keep up with Sony by releasing a new version yearly. I'm waiting for it too, but the s120 is on its last legs.. Cracked LCD, volume rocker spring busted, severe clicking sounds during video while auto focusing... Not sure can wait 4 months. I'm looking at nx500 as well. Damn Sony for not putting a touchscreen. The new sensor, 4k, and 1/32,000 for video is compelling... But no touchscreen.. I don't want to step 10 years back in time.

No, I'm not stoned. Just caffeinated.

Henry Richardson · Jul 13, 2015

ipribadi said:
IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56131459

heatherasks · Jul 13, 2015

I watched a g7x/rx100 video comparison side by side on Vimeo and was disappointed at how the g7x performed for video; it looked good alone but terrible when placed side by side which showed how much potential the g7x could have. What are the chances Canon will catch up with the Rx100 in crispness in the next version?

Gimble · Jul 14, 2015

Henry Richardson said:
ipribadi said:

IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

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Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56131459

GaryJP · Jul 14, 2015

Henry Richardson said:
ipribadi said:

IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

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Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

Look at Imaging Resource's test of the RX100 MkIII and you see exactly the same issue. With a less bright lens.

ipribadi · Jul 14, 2015

Henry Richardson said:
ipribadi said:

IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

Click to expand...

Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56131459

Wait, I read that thread and wasn't the majority concluding it was DOF parallax error. I don't see such severe soft corners when shooting at a larger distance (thus less DOF parallax error) at the same aperture and FL.

Perhaps I'm the minority here, but to me the G7X lens is not what's holding back IQ except under bright lighting.

To me medium to low light conditions with shutter at 1/125s or faster are plenty thus the sensor at ISO800 or above is still what's holding IQ back not the lens.

damian5000 · Jul 14, 2015

GaryJP said:
Henry Richardson said:

ipribadi said:

IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

Click to expand...

Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

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Look at Imaging Resource's test of the RX100 MkIII and you see exactly the same issue. With a less bright lens.

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Some favourite pics:
http://garyp.zenfolio.com/p518883873/

Most of these complaints were from people who didn't own the camera and were looking for excellent edge to edge sharpness. That's not what the g7x is about. The vast majority of owners have loved it and never looked back.

ipribadi · Jul 14, 2015

Yes and to go back to the original topic;

Basically: focal length (zoom), lens aperture (how bright), amount of software correction, physical size, price ... pick 4 out of 5 to prioritize.
I'm very satisfied on how Canon chose their priorities on the G7X.

rpm40 · Jul 14, 2015

Henry Richardson said:
ipribadi said:

IMO software corrected image due to compromised optics is a perfectly acceptable cost to pay to get better lens performance. I mean .... if you want better IQ, then just stop down or change the focal length.

Click to expand...

Yes, but so many people disagree. There was at least one long thread right here when the G7X came out with tons of complaints about the lens that needed so much software correction and what many thought were poor results. This recent guy has a G7X and has discovered this characteristic:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56131459

justmeMN · Jul 14, 2015

rpm40 said:
rpm40 wrote:I think you are attributing the concerns of a handful of gearheads on a web forum to a wider population.

Taking photos of a brick wall, just to see if you can find any flaws, isn't the kind of thing that most people do.

jonrobertp · Jul 14, 2015

heatherasks said:
I watched a g7x/rx100 video comparison side by side on Vimeo and was disappointed at how the g7x performed for video; it looked good alone but terrible when placed side by side which showed how much potential the g7x could have. What are the chances Canon will catch up with the Rx100 in crispness in the next version?

A voice from under the bridge....

GaryJP · Jul 14, 2015

heatherasks said:
I watched a g7x/rx100 video comparison side by side on Vimeo and was disappointed at how the g7x performed for video; it looked good alone but terrible when placed side by side which showed how much potential the g7x could have. What are the chances Canon will catch up with the Rx100 in crispness in the next version?

If you look at this video it's not quite as simple as that:

The Sony comes over particularly blurry on skin. And in the three mini videos the Canon's skin tones are much better too.

And then you have to consider the fact the RX100 doesn't even offer a decent portrait focal length and it's a slower lens vs the fact that it DOES offer more options.

Swings and roundabouts, as ever. No one is going to spot the difference outside of side by side tests. And thanks to the touchscreen the G7X does better auto focus pulls too.

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Some favourite pics:
http://garyp.zenfolio.com/p518883873/

heatherasks · Jul 15, 2015

GaryJP said:
heatherasks said:

I watched a g7x/rx100 video comparison side by side on Vimeo and was disappointed at how the g7x performed for video; it looked good alone but terrible when placed side by side which showed how much potential the g7x could have. What are the chances Canon will catch up with the Rx100 in crispness in the next version?

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If you look at this video it's not quite as simple as that:

The Sony comes over particularly blurry on skin. And in the three mini videos the Canon's skin tones are much better too.

And then you have to consider the fact the RX100 doesn't even offer a decent portrait focal length and it's a slower lens vs the fact that it DOES offer more options.

Swings and roundabouts, as ever. No one is going to spot the difference outside of side by side tests. And thanks to the touchscreen the G7X does better auto focus pulls too.

jp4 · Jul 19, 2015

New Sony RX 100's have been coming out every year since June 2012. I wonder if this is incentive for Canon to not wait too long to upgrade the G7X.

justmeMN · Jul 19, 2015

jp4 said:
New Sony RX 100's have been coming out every year since June 2012. I wonder if this is incentive for Canon to not wait too long to upgrade the G7X.

A Canon exec said:

"Personally, I think we’re slow as well. Every day I’m saying ‘speed up, make it faster!’"

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www.dpreview.com

Perhaps, "someyear", Canon actually will move faster.

Redtimber · Nov 9, 2015

Just wanted an update if anyone has heard anything within the last 4 months. I'm debating between the RX100 MKII and the G7X. One major thing for me is to be able to vlog, which means a flip up lcd screen.

Canon generally has superior video quality, I thought. However many different reviews compliment the RX100MKII over the G7X. The looked into it a bit and was sold on the RX100MKII, not realizing it doesn't have a 180degree tilt screen. That was a buzzkill. I looked at the RXMKIII and it didn't seem to justify the price jump although it does have a 180 degree tilt screen.

Hopefully the G7XMKII will have this feature for me

I do not want to buy the G7X and have the G7XMKII come out a few months later.

rpm40 · Nov 9, 2015

I don't think a replacement to the g7x is imminent, but the new g5x has a fully articulating screen and adds a microphone imput jack, if either of those are important to you.

B1ackhat · Nov 10, 2015

Redtimber said:
Just wanted an update if anyone has heard anything within the last 4 months. I'm debating between the RX100 MKII and the G7X. One major thing for me is to be able to vlog, which means a flip up lcd screen.

Canon generally has superior video quality, I thought. However many different reviews compliment the RX100MKII over the G7X. The looked into it a bit and was sold on the RX100MKII, not realizing it doesn't have a 180degree tilt screen. That was a buzzkill. I looked at the RXMKIII and it didn't seem to justify the price jump although it does have a 180 degree tilt screen.

Hopefully the G7XMKII will have this feature for me I do not want to buy the G7X and have the G7XMKII come out a few months later.

I don't think there will be one. I think the G9X is it. That said, I still prefer the G7X over any of the RX cams, if for no other reason than its far superior IS and more malleable RAWs.

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damian5000 · Nov 10, 2015

B1ackhat said:
Redtimber said:

Just wanted an update if anyone has heard anything within the last 4 months. I'm debating between the RX100 MKII and the G7X. One major thing for me is to be able to vlog, which means a flip up lcd screen.

Canon generally has superior video quality, I thought. However many different reviews compliment the RX100MKII over the G7X. The looked into it a bit and was sold on the RX100MKII, not realizing it doesn't have a 180degree tilt screen. That was a buzzkill. I looked at the RXMKIII and it didn't seem to justify the price jump although it does have a 180 degree tilt screen.

Hopefully the G7XMKII will have this feature for me I do not want to buy the G7X and have the G7XMKII come out a few months later.

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I don't think there will be one. I think the G9X is it. That said, I still prefer the G7X over any of the RX cams, if for no other reason than its far superior IS and more malleable RAWs.

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