No Limits, a 2 Minute Short film shot with the A7rii

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Hi all,

Be awesome if you guy could give this a watch...


Obviously i'm here trying to rake in some sweet sweet YT likes for this Sony FS5 competition ;) but in exchange for your time and patience I am more than happy to answer any and all questions you have of my experience shooting footage with the A7rii. I use it as my main camera for all my work. I still have a Canon 5dmkiii as backup but that'll soon be replaced with an a7sII when funds allow!

To give you a little breakdown of this particular film, main lenses and equipment used:
  • Sony A7rii ( 4k Slog-2 )
  • Sony FE 55mm 1.8 Sonnar
  • Sony FE 28mm f2
  • Tamron 24-70mm 2.8 IS
  • Canon 70-200m 2.8 ii IS
  • Sigma ART 35mm 1.4
  • Metabones IV Adaptor
  • DJI Ronin-M
  • Backache
  • Atomos Ninja Assassin
More info on a blog post: http://www.alexpasquini.com/blog/2015/10/30/no-limits-a-short-film-for-the-sony-fs5-competition

Again, apologies for the blatant self promotion but as said i'm more than happy to share any experience if anyone is interested, cheers!
 
Howdy Alex, and welcome to the forum.

First, I really enjoyed the film, and actually watched it several times. I thought both actors where spot on, giving well fitting and believable performances.

Good plot, good writing, certainly no need for music. Again spot on and funny.

Personally, I REALLY appreciated that you used a tripod where appropriate. So many film makers these days feel that a bobbing up and down image is somehow "cool".

My only concern was the off color rendition of the office scenes and over the top lack of contrast for the beach scenes. I'll assume those were artistic choices, however, I found both of those to be unduly distracting, especially the lack of contrast in the beach scenes. Probably just me.

But, my pickiness aside, a very well done film. Thanks for sharing it and good luck in the competition.
 
Excellent superb film !!! Clearly a PROFESSIONAL work !!! Loved the ending !!!

Just one question: why are the blacks so washed out and grey? I know this is done on purpose to give it a "cinematic look", but movie theaters did their best to MINIMIZE this flawed look cause by ambient light (for example by painting their walls black or by using black curtains). So why try to recreate that flawed look? And why even try to outdo it and make it look even more flawed and washed out?

This is overdone by videographers today (in my opinion) just as the HDR look was overdone by stills photographers a few years back.

I know I am in the minority opinion here :)
 
it looks like some tight editing, but it's hard to say that it was shot well, because her skin color during the interview is way off, she looks like a corpse.

you could have used that look for the daydream portion of the video, but when her skin color all looks the same throughout the video, it blurs the dividing line between the interview reality and the daydream sequences, which makes it much harder to figure out what is going on.

audio-wise, there were a couple of spots where his accent makes whatever he was saying completely unintelligible; i mean so bad that i rewound it several times and still couldn't understand it... also long periods of silence, to what purpose?

and why was her hand in a box of rubber bands? why not have the interviewer introduce that, and some of the other things, like the purpose of the entire video? there doesn't appear to be much of a script, and with video, everything always revolves around the script.
 
and why was her hand in a box of rubber bands? why not have the interviewer introduce that
I think you missed the point on that. It followed her daydream of sifting sand through her fingers, just as her "swimming" while in the office followed her daydream of being in the water.
 
and why was her hand in a box of rubber bands? why not have the interviewer introduce that
I think you missed the point on that. It followed her daydream of sifting sand through her fingers, just as her "swimming" while in the office followed her daydream of being in the water.
i got that, the problem for me was that it was too random, but i can see how that's a matter of opinion.

i would have had a quick establishing shot of the box of rubber bands in there somewhere before the fingers-thru-sand sequence, maybe as part of a wider shot of the desk, perhaps of a sheet of paper that the interviewer was writing on, that had a relevant title on the page? something that helped to explain what was going on.

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and why was her hand in a box of rubber bands? why not have the interviewer introduce that
I think you missed the point on that. It followed her daydream of sifting sand through her fingers, just as her "swimming" while in the office followed her daydream of being in the water.
i got that, the problem for me was that it was too random, but i can see how that's a matter of opinion.

i would have had a quick establishing shot of the box of rubber bands in there somewhere before the swimming sequence, maybe as part of a wider shot of the desk, perhaps of a sheet of paper that the interviewer was writing on, that had a relevant title on the page? something that helped to explain what was going on.

wasn't there already a rather pointless shot where he was holding a pencil or something? it didn't fit in with anything, it didn't advance the storyline.
 
audio-wise, there were a couple of spots where his accent makes whatever he was saying completely unintelligible; i mean so bad that i rewound it several times and still couldn't understand it.
You Americans eh ? That one was easy, it was an English accent but if that was confusing for you, you'd struggle even more in Scotland or Ireland. Spend some time in my wee town and you'd be scratching your heed until next week ;-)
 
and why was her hand in a box of rubber bands? why not have the interviewer introduce that
I think you missed the point on that. It followed her daydream of sifting sand through her fingers, just as her "swimming" while in the office followed her daydream of being in the water.
i got that, the problem for me was that it was too random, but i can see how that's a matter of opinion.

i would have had a quick establishing shot of the box of rubber bands in there somewhere before the swimming sequence, maybe as part of a wider shot of the desk, perhaps of a sheet of paper that the interviewer was writing on, that had a relevant title on the page? something that helped to explain what was going on.

wasn't there already a rather pointless shot where he was holding a pencil or something? it didn't fit in with anything, it didn't advance the storyline.
 
audio-wise, there were a couple of spots where his accent makes whatever he was saying completely unintelligible; i mean so bad that i rewound it several times and still couldn't understand it.
You Americans eh ? That one was easy, it was an English accent but if that was confusing for you, you'd struggle even more in Scotland or Ireland. Spend some time in my wee town and you'd be scratching your heed until next week ;-)
lol

my family came to america from england, well over 100 years ago? it's not helping :-)

i saw some behind-the-scenes interview footage of the actors in that english tv show, doc martin... the cast members had to dumb-down their accents greatly, so that they could be understood on a world-wide stage... they were deliberately repeating the same script in the local cornwall dialect, or whatever it was, and it was hilarious! completely unintelligible.
 
audio-wise, there were a couple of spots where his accent makes whatever he was saying completely unintelligible; i mean so bad that i rewound it several times and still couldn't understand it.
You Americans eh ? That one was easy, it was an English accent but if that was confusing for you, you'd struggle even more in Scotland or Ireland. Spend some time in my wee town and you'd be scratching your heed until next week ;-)
lol

my family came to america from england, well over 100 years ago? it's not helping :-)

i saw some behind-the-scenes interview footage of the actors in that english tv show, doc martin... the cast members had to dumb-down their accents greatly, so that they could be understood on a world-wide stage... they were deliberately repeating the same script in the local cornwall dialect, or whatever it was, and it was hilarious! completely unintelligible.
It's interesting how foreign accents are interpreted :-) I remember my group being a collective object of curiosity in Rutland, Vermont in a wee bar that reminded me of Moe's from the Simpsons. We came from various areas and countries in the UK but were all English in the minds of the locals (which disturbed the Irish and Scottish amongst us :-P ). The toughest regional accents to understand are the ones that are both rich in different sounds and rich in dialect. Newcastle (England), Belfast (N. Ireland), Aberdeen (NE Scotland), Glasgow (Central Scotland), Moffat ( Southern Scotland ;-) ) etc. The English accent in the video was as bland as an English accent can be, and is almost 'BBC standard' now that the BBC have dropped the 4 weddings and a funeral plummy stuff, whereas English West Country (e.g. Cornish) like E. Anglia, is quaint, Brummie is almost funny, Manc/Liverpool is typically animated etc. N. American accents must be much of a muchness and though I reckon I could distinguish many of the regional accents of the USA, I don't think I've ever failed to follow a dialogue I've listened to.
 
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you wouldn't have much trouble with american accents, until you got to hawaii, where they have this native speak called "pidgin" :0 :-)

omg! lol, they laugh at us haoles, then dumb it down so that we can understand... such a great group of people.

i figure that if i'm ever in the land of guiness stout, i'll somehow be able to find my way to the nearest pub!!

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Hi all,

Be awesome if you guy could give this a watch...


Obviously i'm here trying to rake in some sweet sweet YT likes for this Sony FS5 competition ;) but in exchange for your time and patience I am more than happy to answer any and all questions you have of my experience shooting footage with the A7rii. I use it as my main camera for all my work. I still have a Canon 5dmkiii as backup but that'll soon be replaced with an a7sII when funds allow!

To give you a little breakdown of this particular film, main lenses and equipment used:
  • Sony A7rii ( 4k Slog-2 )
  • Sony FE 55mm 1.8 Sonnar
  • Sony FE 28mm f2
  • Tamron 24-70mm 2.8 IS
  • Canon 70-200m 2.8 ii IS
  • Sigma ART 35mm 1.4
  • Metabones IV Adaptor
  • DJI Ronin-M
  • Backache
  • Atomos Ninja Assassin
More info on a blog post: http://www.alexpasquini.com/blog/2015/10/30/no-limits-a-short-film-for-the-sony-fs5-competition

Again, apologies for the blatant self promotion but as said i'm more than happy to share any experience if anyone is interested, cheers!
I am considering this camera for video and stills. How was video autofocus when using the Canon 70-210? Would the autofocus be quick enough for sports or wildlife? Mike
 
Hi Alex,

I was curious. Why is it that when I hit the fullscreen on youtube for yours, it goes all the way to the edge of my 21:9 monitor, yet with all other videos that have that proportion, I'm getting all 4 black borders around the video, as in this case:


I'm wondering if you're seeing what I'm seeing in the example above, or maybe it's my browser, or maybe it's the settings you use when exporting your video?

Thanks,
Huy

P.S. By the way, I like your piece. Good cinematography, though the coloring is not to my taste.
 
Hi Alex,

I was curious. Why is it that when I hit the fullscreen on youtube for yours, it goes all the way to the edge of my 21:9 monitor, yet with all other videos that have that proportion, I'm getting all 4 black borders around the video, as in this case:

I'm wondering if you're seeing what I'm seeing in the example above, or maybe it's my browser, or maybe it's the settings you use when exporting your video?
Thanks,
Huy
P.S. By the way, I like your piece. Good cinematography, though the coloring is not to my taste.
Interesting. I get black bars top and bottom when I full screen. But the original file I uploaded to youtube was a 1920x800 frame. ( Exactly like this Vimeo teaser here as embedded on page:
) Interesting how you’re monitor gets rid of the black bars. Maybe the data is embedded in the youtube video as yours is one of the few monitors that has the correct dimensions to utilise this ratio?! In short Who knows?!
 
I am considering this camera for video and stills. How was video autofocus when using the Canon 70-210? Would the autofocus be quick enough for sports or wildlife? Mike
Video auto focus only works with Native FE Sony glass. I’ve got a 55mm Zeiss/Sony and a 28mm Zeiss/Sony which both have it. So far I haven’t experimented enough to risk it on a client job yet. In my own time i’ve had good and bad experiences with it. Work in progress. Can’t comment on the photography side.
 
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Excellent superb film !!! Clearly a PROFESSIONAL work !!! Loved the ending !!!

Just one question: why are the blacks so washed out and grey? I know this is done on purpose to give it a "cinematic look", but movie theaters did their best to MINIMIZE this flawed look cause by ambient light (for example by painting their walls black or by using black curtains). So why try to recreate that flawed look? And why even try to outdo it and make it look even more flawed and washed out?

This is overdone by videographers today (in my opinion) just as the HDR look was overdone by stills photographers a few years back.

I know I am in the minority opinion here :)
Not sure how to 'REPLY ALL' so I'll reply to just yours and hopefully the others will find it!

Hey All, thanks for the kind words and feedback! Have tried to respond to everyone’s feedback.

Re: tripod, yep I decided early on that it might be nice to have all the office segments locked down, no movement, in contrast with the dreamy beach shots as more free flowing/hand held. Side note: That was also my first time ever using the ronin-m, so it was a bit of a trial by fire using it at a sandy wet beach of all locations!

Re: Accents

To be fair, this hadn’t even occurred to me that some of the Interviewers dialogue may not be intelligible. Partly because being British his accent is quite common and partly because I knew the script inside out and always had it playing in the back of my mind when he was saying it. Interesting observation tho. Agree with Moffatross, that was a pretty standard English accent, Scottish or Irish can be super tough unless you’re a native UK.

Re: Grading

I won’t lie, I definitely struggled with the grading of both the office and the beach shots. For a few reasons. I’d say 1 big reason was that it was the first time using S-log2 for anything other than a quick test here and there. I generally use a tweaked cine gamma profile. But for this I thought F*** it, let’s go all in! S-log2 and first time using Ronin-M. See what I get out of it, see what I can learn. And I definitely learnt a ton. It’s all very well reading up on forums and watching tutorials all day but until you bite the bullet, make mistakes and try something for real you never really learn. This seemed like a great opportunity as there was no client as such, so if I did make a complete balls up then i’d only have myself to answer to…. and you guys ;)

Secondly, and I hate this excuse but there were some really big time constraints. We (myself and sis) started discussing the possibility of even entering the competition about 10 days before the deadline for submission. So we really didn’t leave ourselves much time at all to come up with the whole story, shoot it, and edit it. Of course, as this was off our own back we had to fit in the filming around our own schedules, and of course this meant post production time was nowhere near as long as I wanted it to be. It would literally be a few hours a night after a days shooting on my ‘real’ job. I was also juggling 5 other projects in the same week so it was a complete nightmare as you can imagine. Hard to be creative when you’re stressed haha. First world problems.

Skin tones in office… yeah I tried a few different grades where I kept the ‘integrity’ of her skin intact, but it just didn’t seem like a big enough change. I can see how it definitely looks almost ghoul like though. And perhaps there isn’t enough difference between the reality/dream grade. Definitely something I can see now in hidden sight but at the time I just needed the edit out the door.

Beach grade:

I did want something wishy washy, so hence the low contrast. I guess a cheat to get that dreamy look. But again I can see how it does and doesn’t work. Ideal situation is I would of had a few more days to ponder different grades. It’s always nice to be able to have a break from a project and come back to it with fresh eyes. With this there wasn’t really that option.

Re: Long periods of silence:

I guess I was aiming to not have to rely on music. For a start, good music is a pain in the A* to get hold of. Especially for free and in such a short amount of time. Secondly I really wanted the challenge of creating something just with diegetic sounds/foley. I’m not 100% happy with it at all but was hoping the general ambience, of either office or beach (wind, ocean) would be an interesting enough sound scape to carry the film. I’m not a professional sound guy though, so this was all very much me hoping for the best. A dedicated audio guy would of done a lot better job! But as it stands, again learnt a ton.

Overall:

Thanks all for the feedback. I genuinely agree on the grading not being super strong in this. Or at least, a bit to divisive. Time wasn’t on my side and it’s actually quite reassuring that the little voice in the back of my head that was saying “you can do better than this” was actually right!

Onwards and upwards!

PS: if any of you are mega bored, I shot this a few years ago and it picked up a few awards. Ironically the top comment is on the grading haha!
 
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Alex,

Great job of answering everybody's questions. Yes, one of the biggest helps in a project like that is having the time to let it sit for a few days and then come back and view it with fresh eyes. If only time weren't such a luxury.

Still, you bit the bullet and did it. You conceived it, wrote it, shot it, edited it, and submitted it, all with-in schedule, and then you were even brave enough to submit your work and your self to the unpredictable world of an internet forum.

Well, I say, good for you, and I'm already looking forward to your next adventure in film making.
 

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