The way I see is that it is an open forum and OP made comparison. He did not bash one or other. Those who are interested shall read it. But some obviously are emotionally invested in gear they own and find it insulting that smartphones are compared to their gear.Only a little bit. There is some valid point in this, but it doesn´t solve whole story for me.
That's ok. It doesn't make much sense to me either. Seems like he's imagining some argument that apparently I'm supposed to have made.Only a little bit. There is some valid point in this, but it doesn´t solve whole story for me.
So I gave him something. Not what he wanted, but I found it fun.
While I don't understand what the OP was supposed to demonstrate, a modern phone will outperform an older digital camera within its operating range. So not ever considering the phone would be a mistake.
The way I see is that it is an open forum and OP made comparison. He did not bash one or other. Those who are interested shall read it. But some obviously are emotionally invested in gear they own and find it insulting that smartphones are compared to their gear.Only a little bit. There is some valid point in this, but it doesn´t solve whole story for me.
I see. No need for details. I´m really lost in this topic. Arguments never made are pointed out all the time. I have good lunch and good beer in front of me, so I enjoy.That's ok. It doesn't make much sense to me either. Seems like he's imagining some argument that apparently I'm supposed to have made.Only a little bit. There is some valid point in this, but it doesn´t solve whole story for me.
I don't expect zxaar to make much sense though.
Here is his request I was responding to.
So I gave him something. Not what he wanted, but I found it fun.
There should also be a pony in it.Good one. Now show us some portrait, and hair detail
That´s not the point. I can bring a shot with ISO 12800 from my EOS M, and many would respond "noiseless image" to it. One specific comparison doesn´t win the battle.There should also be a pony in it.Good one. Now show us some portrait, and hair detail
That's not the point either. The point is that there is no battle. Lately the m4/3 forum has been invaded (again, it's a regularly occurring event) by FF fanbois explaining to anybody who is listening and everyone else that FF is four times the size of m4/3. Thread after thread after thread after thread. That p-ss-ng c-nt-st is all about who loses market share more slowly in the tiny sliver of the camera market that is not yet taken over by phones.That´s not the point. I can bring a shot with ISO 12800 from my EOS M, and many would respond "noiseless image" to it. One specific comparison doesn´t win the battle.There should also be a pony in it.Good one. Now show us some portrait, and hair detail
I have been here only since 2012 and would like some references for that. So that would have been around the E-P1 / GH1 timeframe, right?
I expect that the denialists will keep denying for years to come.
All phones I ever bought were for the purpose of making the phone calls. Neither of my cameras could do that, thus making the mobile phone the choice, if any. Phone sales has nothing to do with 'advantages' they have over the cameras...they are multipurpose devices, from their primary function, through GPS, entertainment, calculator/computer etc. To me, my smartphone has 'killed' the GPS.. it even works when I leave the car. BTW I don't know what the sales of GPS units was to make an argument....Good for you. So we establish that your photo has not relevance to discussion at hand. You liked it and its fine.So?Good for you. The majority of world who uses smartphones for photos won`t give a duck to your owl. Smartphones out sell whatever you used to shoot this owl.I have one for you.
Here's a boobook owl shot with my iPhone.
There it is.
Here's a couple of photos shot with my E-M1.
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::> I make spelling mistakes. May Dog forgive me for this.
I like my owl shot, and others who have seen it like it too (even smartphone users). What more can I ask from a photo?
Many dont bother because of inconvience of proper camera compared to smartphones. The sales tell this.
Between GH1 and GH2, yes. I won´t search for that. You still can take "big Zack" as a reference, even tho he doesn´t talk about MFT, as he uses APS-C Fuji.
Look out...More Keepers will scold you for even making a comparison. None of us are allowed to do so. He has a sensor size chart...so he must be right...LOLTwo years ago, I bought a GF3 and a 14/2.5. This year, I bought a CM1 which has a 1" sensor and a 10.2/2.8 lens. The phone comfortably outperforms the GF3 within its operating range, i.e. not counting the GF3's ability to use other lenses.
Here's a comparison of the CM1 to a few older DSLRs. All at ISO 3200, not "equivalent" settings. Identify the phone.
You have a point... I myself like to see a gallery with some samples to give me an idea of where someone's coming from (when they insist they need 20fps or something) or what type of shooting they do. On the other hand I know that there are those who will take a cheap shot at someone over a gallery. I had that happen to me once, where someone took a photo that I had uploaded - a test shot of nothing in particular - and posted it in a thread as an indication of my photographic 'ability' which of course was absurd.
