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"Chromedroid": a future threat to Windows?
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gs85739az
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Using android with Nexus 7 since 2013, I've found it easy to update[but evidently that's stopped with Marshmallow...:-(]..
Apps install easily and are many...
"IF" there was an android OS for desktops/laptops, I'd use it in a flash!
MUCH less learning curve that iOS/Windows/Linux!
Apps install easily and are many...
"IF" there was an android OS for desktops/laptops, I'd use it in a flash!
MUCH less learning curve that iOS/Windows/Linux!
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malch
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Yeah, but it's kinda like Burger King competing with McDonalds.
When I want a really good satisfying meal, I'm not interested in either.
A Google OS and marketing platform versus a Microsoft OS and marketing platform. Both dumbed down and monetized to the maximum extent possible.
Russell Evans
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Sean Nelson
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This reminds me of the years-long effort by Microsoft to fold Windows 95 / 98 / ME into Windows NT and its descendants.
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malch
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Please tell us more. Is it useful? Complete? Stable? And, on the desktop, is it usable without a touch screen?
Osvaldo Cristo
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I run Android on Motorola mobiles, theoretically the more "pure" Android version, for many years.
If the new OS is so reliable as the one running into my mobiles, definitively it will be muuuch worse than Microsoft stuff. It wouldn´t tempt myself, I am sure!
Regards,
Microsoft was the true innovator here. They were first to combine MKS (mouse keyboard screen) with the touch-screen interface in a unitary OS. Google is just following their lead.
When Apple does the same several years from now, I'm sure the fanboys will devise a good rationale.
NetMage
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That was innovative but a complete failure of usability. They made a dessert topping and a floor wax and no one wanted it.
They are now making a multiple OS's with similar runtimes and APIs but differing UIs for different environments, or an adjustable UI in the tablet/desktop case. This may be more successful, but probably still too early for mobile devices to run desktop apps without compromising.
They are now making a multiple OS's with similar runtimes and APIs but differing UIs for different environments, or an adjustable UI in the tablet/desktop case. This may be more successful, but probably still too early for mobile devices to run desktop apps without compromising.
no singular product out there is the threat.
It's the shifting of applications to web interfaces on PCs, or to apps on phones, making the chosen OS irrelevant that is the threat to them.
Simple applications are already gone. It's the complex ones, like Adobe products for images and video, that don't quite lend themselves to simple UIs and low compute resources that continue to live better in Windows, OSX, or even Linux. Those will continue to be developed for where the paying customers are.
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Wayne Larmon
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Mobile devices can't run desktop apps intrinsically. Unless you at least use a mouse. The interface elements in desktop apps are too small.
I know because I've spent the past week testing a $100 Digiland DL808W Windows 10 tablet. To see what it was good for. It has an 8" screen, 1280x800 IPS (!) screen, 32G of SSD, 1G of RAM and a quad-core Atom. The gamut isn't too shabby:
Solid: Digiland tablet. Wireframe: sRGB. Measured with iProfilier + i1DP
I got it to use as a travel notebook; for light web browsing, email, and for backing up images. It has a micro-SD slot that take a card up to 32G. And a micro-USB port that works in host mode so it can access card readers, thumb drives and (maybe) a USB hard drive (I haven't tried this yet.)
It sort of works. Because I'm using my own set of lightweight image backup programs, it runs them with no problem (Breezesys Downloader Pro, BreezeBrowser, and my own Perl scripts.) But because they are desktop apps, I need at least a mouse. And an external Bluetooth keyboard helps a whole lot.
I took a quick look at the Microsoft app store to see what they had that was image related. I didn't find much. There are a boatload of image viewers, but not much in the way of image manipulation. I tried Adobe Photoshop Express and, well, there isn't much to it. I found one RAW converter but it had minimal controls (compared to what I am used to with Adobe ACR and Photoshop CS6.) I wasn't really planning on doing image editing on it anyway.
I don't know if there are any Windows app image downloaders that are comparable to Downloader Pro. (Drag-and-drop with Windows Explorer is a non-starter for me for backing up images. I need incremental backups--either Downloader Pro or Perl/RoboCopy)
1 Gig of RAM works better than I thought it would. I can run Thunderbird with no problem. Firefox works works well. Better than Microsoft's Edge works. BreezeBrowser is plenty zippy.
I figure that I could back up images to my 32 gig micro SD card. And then back them up again to a thumb drive. I only have 18 megapixel cameras and I rarely fill a 32 gig card on an outing.
Yeah, it doesn't compare to my Surface Pro 3. But it is a lot smaller and cheaper. And might be good enough to be a travel computer. $100 is a real attractive price point.
But because I ended up mostly using it in desktop mode I'm thinking of returning it and stepping up to a $200 Lenovo IdeaPad 100S. This gets me a larger (non-touch) screen, two gigs of RAM, two real USB ports, and a dedicated keyboard. But the screen is only TN and the gamut is smaller (according to the NotebookCheck review.)
Dunno. If there were native Win 10 tablet apps that did everything that Downloader Pro does (or my own Perl scripts do), then I wouldn't need a keyboard and mouse. There very well may be--I just haven't found them. The O/S and hardware are certainly plenty capable (so long as you don't need to copy a lot of massive RAW files.)
I am impressed with what a $100 Windows 10 tablet can do, though.
Wayne
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Sean Nelson
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Yep, "content consumption" apps are pretty simple and for the most part don't require as much in terms of UI or processing power (with some exceptions such as Google Earth).
But "content creation" apps with rich functionality often need a much more productive UI and substantially more compute resources. That's particularly true when multiple apps are open at the same time - for example when using a video editor along with audio and image manipulation apps.
There will always be a need for desktop computers with real keyboards, mice and other specialized input devices, large screens, and plenty of RAM and CPU - along with an OS to make it all work. Such systems are already well on the way to becoming niche products, but they will continue to evolve and improve. The biggest threat is that as they loose market share and development costs are prorated across a smaller user base they may become more expensive and/or the speed and degree of innovation may slow.
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That is quite a value!
Although I would rather pay a bit more and get 1920x1080 FHD screen.
Thanks for the review, and interesting tidbit about self-testing color gamut.
Conceptually, you don't need a desktop for this, if your content can get to the compute resources without friction, and if your tablet type device can translate your desires into actions. Put another way, if the Photoshop Elements canned routines do what we want, we no longer need the full blown photoshop. Or if you can speak your wish, like with every Star Trek computer. By that measure, even our complicated programs are still pretty stupid, requiring the human to push all the knobs around when what you really want is "a well balanced, exposed shot, adjusted to the desired color scheme. "
Much of this will come down to how fast we can push bits of data, esp over wireless. Or how good we can make web driven applications. Better progress is being made on the latter front.
jcvjcvjcvjcv
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Why? Moving everyone to a UI the users don't like is supposed to make them stick to that? Uhuuu?
There is no way I would use a Google OS. They are evil, simple as that. They live on selling your data. Ok ok, on sellings ads that they match to your data.
As for Android; the best thing I discovered only recently. There is a checkbox to give a pop up notice that some app in the background is "not responding".
Now my Windows Mobile phone I had before was simply slow, but it didn't have crashing everything.
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Sean Nelson
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I'm having a hard time visualizing how a small-screen tablet or voice-activated interface could help, for example, an artist creating a painting. Even if there was a Photoshop voice command to "make this picture look good" I wouldn't be interested in using it because it would rob me of the enjoyment I get from the creative process.
A lot of the Photoshop work I do requires a big screen so that I can manipulate parts of the image with the accuracy I need. Same thing when doing video editing and adding composited elements that have to align with other layers.
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Wayne Larmon
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Unfortunately, I don't think there are any 8" Win 10 tablets with that resolution. I have an Android Galaxy Pro 8.4 that has glorious 2560x1600 resolution. But that is Android. I only use a single app on it (ArgyllPro ColorMeter.) I'd like to see a Win 10 tablet with beefier hardware specs (higher res screen, more RAM, larger SSD, etc.
I have a Surface Pro 3 for more demanding travel tasks. But I mostly user an 10" Acer netbook (1366x768 screen, 4 gigs/RAM, 320G HD.) for most vacation type travel. I was slotting the Digiland tablet for casual trips where only take my Canon S100 or G15. An 8" tablet is an appropriate size for these kinds of trips.
To keep on topic--it is a chicken and egg problem. Companies won't invest in making high end Win 10 tablets unless people start buying Win 10 tablets (or Win 10 smartphones.) But I'm happy that this particular tablet exists. It fills a certain niche in my computer needs.
Wayne
TonyGamble
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I have an Android Galaxy Pro 8.4 that has glorious 2560x1600 resolution. But that is Android.
And the Samsung 12.2 is also that resolution. I use it for my Eye Fi work. Great image.
Tony
And the Samsung 12.2 is also that resolution. I use it for my Eye Fi work. Great image.
Tony
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