A difficult choice : get the Mark III or is there an other alternative ?

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Hello All,

I am looking for a new DSLR.

My most importants requirements would be :
Very fast focus.
Fast burst mod
All Around (for portrait / sports / landscape)
Strong Body
Shoot high quality video (i'd love 4K but seems impossible at that price level except with the hybrid NX1 from Samsung).

I have been looking around and it seems that everyone recommend the Canon Mark III for winning in the below 2400 USD category.

However after some in depth analysis it seems that there is few really negative points :

The camera is getting old (2012 release if i am not wrong) i am afraid when the new model comes out the value of the camera will drop a lot. I was reading it could happen early 2016.

Lack of Wifi or bluetooth
No orientable screen
Some focus issue
No integrated flash (can be useful in some rare condition)

My question is then do you think the Mark III is still worth it ? Would there be in Nikon Range or Canon Range any serious better alternative for what i am looking for ?

a. I saw the Samsung NX1 is top rated by Dpreview : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1/14 and offers 4K and the features i am looking for but dont see it being recommended much VS the MARK III (probably the limited lense choice is the issue) ?

b. As pure DSRL seems the Nikon D810 offers much better noise control cf this test :

Pls note i am willing to buy the best optic so this shouldn't be a consideration for now on.

So u can see i am pretty lost now and the more i search the less i have an idea about what i sould buy :)

I am looking forward for your kind answer and help.

Cheers
 
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Get the 5d3.
 
Hello All,

I am looking for a new DSLR.

My most importants requirements would be :
Very fast focus.
Fast burst mod
All Around (for portrait / sports / landscape)
Strong Body
Shoot high quality video (i'd love 4K but seems impossible at that price level except with the hybrid NX1 from Samsung).
Canon 5D Mark III hits all these marks just fine.
I have been looking around and it seems that everyone recommend the Canon Mark III for winning in the below 2400 USD category.

However after some in depth analysis it seems that there is few really negative points :

The camera is getting old (2012 release if i am not wrong) i am afraid when the new model comes out the value of the camera will drop a lot. I was reading it could happen early 2016.
Age is irrelevant except as it pertains to getting the camera serviced. The 5D III will still has a number of years. It's still current technology, and will still be a great camera when it is finally superceded. I typically wait and buy when prices go down. In the case of my own 5DIII, I bought one when the 5Ds was first announced from someone wanting to immediately upgrade. Very lightly used, looks brand new, and only $1500, barely more than I paid for my refurbished 6D two and half years ago.
Lack of Wifi or bluetooth
WiFi wasn't on your list of requirements. So it this something you really need, or just a feature that you'll feel left behind with if it's not there?

If you just want to be able to access images wirelessly, a WiFi memory card will do the same thing.
No orientable screen
You won't find moveable screens on robust cameras. Not even the 7D Mark II has this feature.
Some focus issue
Not aware of this.
No integrated flash (can be useful in some rare condition)
Again, it's just something that isn't on professional level cameras (except for the 7D Mark II). There's not a single Canon full-frame camera that has one.
My question is then do you think the Mark III is still worth it ? Would there be in Nikon Range or Canon Range any serious better alternative for what i am looking for ?
The real differences between Canon and Nikon are minor. Go with the brand that feels best in your hands and has an interface that is most intuitive for you.
a. I saw the Samsung NX1 is top rated by Dpreview : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1/14 and offers 4K and the features i am looking for but dont see it being recommended much VS the MARK III (probably the limited lense choice is the issue) ?
Samsung will likely be getting out of the camera business. Lots of buzz on this.
b. As pure DSRL seems the Nikon D810 offers much better noise control cf this test :
The D810 is a fine camera. Get it first and foremost if you really the resolution.
Pls note i am willing to buy the best optic so this shouldn't be a consideration for now on.
Good. Even older cameras benefit from great optics, and investing in better optics up front saves you money in the future.
So u can see i am pretty lost now and the more i search the less i have an idea about what i sould buy :)
You're not lost. You have some ideas. Now just go to the camera store and see what appeals most to you.
I am looking forward for your kind answer and help.

Cheers
 
Thanks you for your answer an addressing my concerns.

Thing is video is important to me, i stumbled upon

It compares NX1 of Samsung vs MARK III it really shocking to see the quality difference.

what really hold me to be honest with the MARK III or Nikon D750 for it to be behind in term of video and burst mod speed ;(
 
Thanks you for your answer an addressing my concerns.

Thing is video is important to me, i stumbled upon

It compares NX1 of Samsung vs MARK III it really shocking to see the quality difference.

what really hold me to be honest with the MARK III or Nikon D750 for it to be behind in term of video and burst mod speed ;(
Your video shows a comparison of an NX1 vs the MK2 not the MK3. The lens was also a super cheap nifty 50 which was either out of focus or simply soft because it's a nifty 50 at f2. The cheap nifty 50 also has poor color and contrast as well The samsung had a much better lens and was perfectly in focus, probably due to the on-sensor PDAF. Not really a fair comparison.
 
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Hello All,

I am looking for a new DSLR.

My most importants requirements would be :
Very fast focus.
5DIII is fine.
Fast burst mod
5DIII is weak here—7DII is a better choice if you're shooting things that really need fast burst rates.
All Around (for portrait / sports / landscape)
5DIII works, but keep in mind that for many sports you'll probably end up needing Big White Glass. 7DII is a better sports camera and does well in the other areas. 5DIII is better for portrait/landscape and a little weak for sports because you'll need a pretty long lens to really capture a lot of sports.
Strong Body
5DIII and 7DII are excellent. The 7DII is stronger than the 5DIII (LenRentals has a nice teardown article), but both will probably outlast your usage.
Shoot high quality video (i'd love 4K but seems impossible at that price level except with the hybrid NX1 from Samsung)
5DIII is excellent. For 4K from Canon, be prepared to spend $1000 or more than the price you gave, and maybe be prepared to wait a year or 2.
I have been looking around and it seems that everyone recommend the Canon Mark III for winning in the below 2400 USD category.

However after some in depth analysis it seems that there is few really negative points :

The camera is getting old (2012 release if i am not wrong) i am afraid when the new model comes out the value of the camera will drop a lot. I was reading it could happen early 2016.
What 'value' are you talking about? Are you planning to sell it right away? If you're really going to use it, worry more about how much use you'll get than about what someone might pay for your used camera.

If you're worried about obsolescence, then ask yourself what the "new, rumored 5D Mark IV" might get you over the 5DIII, how long you're willing to wait, and how much more than the current 5DIII price you'd be willing to pay. Oh: and whether you'll really be able to take advantage of the "new technology" advantages.

I was really looking forward to the "5DIV" when it was rumored to be coming out this past September. Then that slipped to "probably not until next August", and now prognostications are all over the place. I got frustrated waiting for "maybe".

The current 5DIII pricing is terrific IMO. If it does the job for you, then go for it.
Lack of Wifi or bluetooth
Do you care? None of my cameras have WiFi or Bluetooth and I could care less. Need to use WiFi to transmit images to a computer? Get an EyeFi card (but seriously, USB3 is much, much faster and more reliable). Want to control any pro Canon/Nikon camera wirelessly? Get a CamRanger and use your phone/tablet/computer.

Oh yes—think about what WiFi, GPS, and Bluetooth do to battery life...
No orientable screen
So? Do you really need this? I haven't had a rotating screen since my old Coolpix 990, and I haven't missed it at all. Need to shoot with the eyepiece at odd positions? Get a CamRanger or consider a right-angle finder (CamRanger's the better choice). Need to shoot the undersides of wildflowers? Get a front-surface mirror (a good one). Want to shoot while holding the camera over your head? Learn how to estimate FoV (practice), shoot lots of images and pick the best.

I really think the orientable screens are overrated. They're bulky, consume battery power, and are mechanically more fragile than just a regular LCD. If I had one, I wouldn't use it much just because of the battery drain and bulk. I'd rather allocate my 'bulk' to lenses.
Some focus issue
I haven't heard of this. In fact, most focus issues I've seen have more to do with either not doing MFA or to bad technique or damaged lenses.

The one issue I've heard about had to do with internal processing (banding or noise or something), and Canon's apparently fixed that several months ago.
No integrated flash (can be useful in some rare condition)
Integrated flash is nice, and if you really need one, just buy the smallest one Canon makes. But for serious flash, the internal isn't very useful and you should be thinking of a 580EX or 600 or something powerful.

When I moved from an EOS 20D to a 1D Mark III, I thought I'd miss the flash. Never did. Didn't miss it on my 1D Mark IV, either. Now I've got a 7D Mark II and have used the internal flash only rarely and wouldn't really have missed it if it wasn't there.

In fact, I'm not at all worried about lack of flash on the 5DS R I just ordered. "Pro" bodies just don't seem to come with built-in flashes—possibly because they can impact weatherproofing and battery life, aren't very powerful, and present mechanical design complications.
My question is then do you think the Mark III is still worth it ? Would there be in Nikon Range or Canon Range any serious better alternative for what i am looking for ?
It's a steal at its current price. If it meets your needs, go for it. The only thing that ever caused me to pass on the 5DIII is that I really wanted better resolution, which the 5DS series delivers bountifully (and at a price!).
a. I saw the Samsung NX1 is top rated by Dpreview : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1/14 and offers 4K and the features i am looking for but dont see it being recommended much VS the MARK III (probably the limited lense choice is the issue) ?
I've handled a Samsung (a student's in one of my classes). Very nice, well-featured camera. But definitely not in the same league as the 5D Mark III in terms of build, lens selection, and overall mechanical ergonomics (menu ergonomics were fine for me). And while its EVF was nice, it's nowhere near as nice as the pentaprism in the 5DIII.
b. As pure DSRL seems the Nikon D810 offers much better noise control cf this test :
Lots has been said about this, DxOmark and other tests. But in practice, the 5DIII delivers outstanding images. The D810 is a great camera and has higher resolution than the 5DIII. I don't think you can go wrong with either camera. But don't put too much weight on test numbers—some of which are theoretical instead of practical. Look at real images taken by people who understand their equipment thoroughly.

I was worried about 5DS R image quality based on some early reviews, DxOmark results, graphs of [calculated/theoretical] noise thresholds, etc. Then I had several opportunities to try several cameras owned by locals, and my personal results were much more than adequate for my needs. Test results are nice guidelines, but you'd do yourself a favor if you could get your hands on a camera to test with your gear.
Pls note i am willing to buy the best optic so this shouldn't be a consideration for now on.
Excellent! If that's the case, the 5DIII will likely serve you better than the Samsung (which lacks the range and perhaps quality of Canon's L's).
So u can see i am pretty lost now and the more i search the less i have an idea about what i sould buy :)

I am looking forward for your kind answer and help.
One thing you might consider is getting the 5DIII now and using it to its fullest as you build your skills and lens collection. Then, consider upgrading to whatever's the latest/greatest in a few years when you really have a handle on where the 5DIII falls short for your needs at the time. If you're like most photographers I know, you're ultimately going to want at least 2 bodies anyway, and the 5DIII is a really sweet one to start with.

Abbott
 
Hello,

you answered my question very well, thx you but killed my hope about K4 ;)

When you think about it having a 4K video camera integrated in a DSLR is amazing as it open a new world of opportunities.

But seems like i would have to deal with it ;(

Cheers
 
Hello,

you answered my question very well, thx you but killed my hope about K4 ;)

When you think about it having a 4K video camera integrated in a DSLR is amazing as it open a new world of opportunities.

But seems like i would have to deal with it ;(

Cheers
If you're in this for the long haul then you realize you will have much more invested in lenses than bodies. In selecting a manufacturer to go with take a look at the quality and depth of their lens offering. Canon is so popular at the entry level through pro level shooter because they have something for everyone. No matter what challenge you're faced with they have an option.

The 5D3 bodies can't be beat right now. Pricing is at a level that won't last forever. Once the 5D4 launches they will stop producing the 3's and new ones will begin to disappear from shops. As for focus issues - you have me stumped there. It runs circles around most everything else and is one of the most versatile, accurate and customizable to date.

As for 4K, who knows. Someday we'll have it. But then again if you don't have a good glass selection to use its not going to matter.
 
Hello,

so obviously most of you guys consider the Mark III the best one there.

however i am reading more and more article about the D750 being better and having wifi and orientable screen with a magnesium body :



Dpreview ranking of the D750 is also much better than MARK III, what to think about it ? thx
 
Hello All,

I am looking for a new DSLR.

My most importants requirements would be :
Very fast focus.
Fast burst mod
All Around (for portrait / sports / landscape)
Strong Body
Shoot high quality video (i'd love 4K but seems impossible at that price level except with the hybrid NX1 from Samsung).
Canon 5D Mark III hits all these marks just fine.
I have been looking around and it seems that everyone recommend the Canon Mark III for winning in the below 2400 USD category.

However after some in depth analysis it seems that there is few really negative points :

The camera is getting old (2012 release if i am not wrong) i am afraid when the new model comes out the value of the camera will drop a lot. I was reading it could happen early 2016.
Age is irrelevant except as it pertains to getting the camera serviced. The 5D III will still has a number of years. It's still current technology, and will still be a great camera when it is finally superceded. I typically wait and buy when prices go down. In the case of my own 5DIII, I bought one when the 5Ds was first announced from someone wanting to immediately upgrade. Very lightly used, looks brand new, and only $1500, barely more than I paid for my refurbished 6D two and half years ago.
Lack of Wifi or bluetooth
WiFi wasn't on your list of requirements. So it this something you really need, or just a feature that you'll feel left behind with if it's not there?

If you just want to be able to access images wirelessly, a WiFi memory card will do the same thing.
No orientable screen
You won't find moveable screens on robust cameras. Not even the 7D Mark II has this feature.
Some focus issue
Not aware of this.
No integrated flash (can be useful in some rare condition)
Again, it's just something that isn't on professional level cameras (except for the 7D Mark II). There's not a single Canon full-frame camera that has one.
My question is then do you think the Mark III is still worth it ? Would there be in Nikon Range or Canon Range any serious better alternative for what i am looking for ?
The real differences between Canon and Nikon are minor. Go with the brand that feels best in your hands and has an interface that is most intuitive for you.
a. I saw the Samsung NX1 is top rated by Dpreview : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1/14 and offers 4K and the features i am looking for but dont see it being recommended much VS the MARK III (probably the limited lense choice is the issue) ?
Samsung will likely be getting out of the camera business. Lots of buzz on this.
b. As pure DSRL seems the Nikon D810 offers much better noise control cf this test :
The D810 is a fine camera. Get it first and foremost if you really the resolution.
Pls note i am willing to buy the best optic so this shouldn't be a consideration for now on.
Good. Even older cameras benefit from great optics, and investing in better optics up front saves you money in the future.
So u can see i am pretty lost now and the more i search the less i have an idea about what i sould buy :)
You're not lost. You have some ideas. Now just go to the camera store and see what appeals most to you.
I am looking forward for your kind answer and help.

Cheers
Michael is correct on all points. I use two 5D III professionally and I'm a happy camper. The "burst mode" is only 6 frames per second, which is marginal for sports, but usable. The 5D III SD card slot has a funky 133X write speed, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

The 5D III is one of the finest cameras ever made. As for the theoretical 5D IV (X), nothing has been announced and it will be at least a year before we can own such a critter--at a considerably higher price. If you want an excellent workhorse of a camera, get the 5D III. Prices have dropped and it is quite affordable. Spend the extra money on good glass.
 
Hello,

so obviously most of you guys consider the Mark III the best one there.

however i am reading more and more article about the D750 being better and having wifi and orientable screen with a magnesium body :

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-vs-Nikon-D750

http://www.ronmartblog.com/2014/10/review-nikon-d750yeah-its-better-than.html

Dpreview ranking of the D750 is also much better than MARK III, what to think about it ? thx
Personally if it were me today, i'd get the D750 over the 5DMKIII. Nikon has nearly as good a lens selection as canon, and has good counterparts to most of canon's most popular lenses. But the newer features on the D750 and better dynamic range make it a step above the aging canon.
 
Hello,

so obviously most of you guys consider the Mark III the best one there.

however i am reading more and more article about the D750 being better and having wifi and orientable screen with a magnesium body :

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-vs-Nikon-D750

http://www.ronmartblog.com/2014/10/review-nikon-d750yeah-its-better-than.html

Dpreview ranking of the D750 is also much better than MARK III, what to think about it ? thx
Yes, the D750 is a great camera. It's also a Nikon. Is it better than the 5D III? In some ways, yes, and in some ways, no.

If you stare at specs too long, you will ALWAYS find a better spec on something somewhere else. In the long run, Nikon and Canon are so competitive that neither will be far ahead or far behind. Pick the system that speaks to your intuition the best. Then invest in lenses and stick with that system. Even older generation cameras are better than most of the photographers that own them.
 
Hello All,

I am looking for a new DSLR.

My most importants requirements would be :
Very fast focus.
Fast burst mod
All Around (for portrait / sports / landscape)
Strong Body
Shoot high quality video (i'd love 4K but seems impossible at that price level except with the hybrid NX1 from Samsung).

I have been looking around and it seems that everyone recommend the Canon Mark III for winning in the below 2400 USD category.

However after some in depth analysis it seems that there is few really negative points :

The camera is getting old (2012 release if i am not wrong) i am afraid when the new model comes out the value of the camera will drop a lot. I was reading it could happen early 2016.

Lack of Wifi or bluetooth
No orientable screen
Some focus issue
No integrated flash (can be useful in some rare condition)

My question is then do you think the Mark III is still worth it ? Would there be in Nikon Range or Canon Range any serious better alternative for what i am looking for ?

a. I saw the Samsung NX1 is top rated by Dpreview : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx1/14 and offers 4K and the features i am looking for but dont see it being recommended much VS the MARK III (probably the limited lense choice is the issue) ?

b. As pure DSRL seems the Nikon D810 offers much better noise control cf this test :

Pls note i am willing to buy the best optic so this shouldn't be a consideration for now on.

So u can see i am pretty lost now and the more i search the less i have an idea about what i sould buy :)

I am looking forward for your kind answer and help.

Cheers
Well, even when the new 5D's come next year, you aren't gonna get it for that price. On Amazon and best buy you can get a new 5D mark iii WITH Canon battery grip for 2500 dollars. If you get the 5D Mark IV with battery grip, that's probably gonna run you about 4200 dollars.

You can record raw video, 14 bit raw video with magic lantern. That is a way bigger advantage than 4k video. It won't be 4k resolution but it will look much higher quality. There isn't any focus issues unless you planned on auto focusing in video mode. I don't know why most people feel that's a need. If I use a DSLR in a video I'm not using it like a camcorder. I'm gonna manual focus just as I would if I was using a pro super 35mm camera.

As far as photos the 5D Mark IV will not render the 5D Mark iii a bad camera. Nikon still does not have cross type focus points on the outside. The 5D Mark iii still seems like a better focusing system than the Nikon D810 to me.

I'm not sure the next 5D will have 4k, but if it does, that will be one of the upgrades. Photography wise, they will probably have 61 cross type focus points, right now there are 41, plenty enough. They will increase the burst rate, not gonna matter unless you're a sports shooter.

They will increase the megapixels from 22 to 28 or possibly 30. Again, not really gonna be worth 2 thousand more dollars.

Because of all the talk on the internet I imagine they will increase the dynamic range by 2 stops at least. I have shot with a camera for a year that has 2 stops more as well as 36 megapixels, and honestly it's not as big of a deal as people make it. But then again I bracket landscape shots. It's a bigger deal to video people, because you can't bracket your video. For photographers, it's a nice thing to have but if you use your histogram and get things right you probably won't really notice that big of a difference.

They will increase ISO performance, this will matter to video people as well. It will matter to some photographers, however the ISO performance is already so good that most photographers are probably satisfied with it at this point.

The auto focus will be rated at even lower light, -3 ev. Like I said it'll have more cross type points.

There is a huge advantage in staying a generation behind as a photographer. You save a lot of money and the upgrades usually aren't drastic. In the video world, you have to upgrade a lot more and the upgrades are usually more drastic.

This is why you still see photographers with the original 5D or 5D Mark ii at weddings and are making great images, they've had that camera since 2008.

Videographers have more of a demanding scenario. They need as much dynamic range as possible, a good codec, tools like focus peaking, zebras, etc, and now 4k is a really good addition.

It depends on which one you want to do more. If you're mostly a photographer looking to do some video, the 5D Mark iii will be a good deal for years to come. If you're mostly wanting to do videos, you'll end up wanting the new one when it comes out.
 
But seems like i would have to deal with it ;(
At this point I wouldn't be too worried about 4k. I'm now starting to see 8k pop up more and more. 1080p isn't so bad, and getting proficient with it would be a good step in preparing for higher resolution in the future.

Maybe ask yourself (if you haven't already) what you'd do with 4k. How many 4k content players exist? How will you distribute it so others can enjoy such high resolution? How many of your friends/customers are currently equipped to view 4k, and how many will be in 3-5 years? Are you going to stream 4k? How many "customers" are equipped to receive it? I can think of other questions, but hopefully this gives you the gist.

4k is still early and evolving technology. I see a lot of 'marketing' about it, but I really wonder at this point how useful it really is unless you're a pro and are preparing it for customers who know what to do with it. And if you were serious about 4k, mightn't it be wise to get a tool whose strength is 4k, rather than having 4k as a line item in a long feature list? Unfortunately those cameras are seriously above your budget now, but they'll come down in price over the next several years.

Of course another option may be to rent a good 4k-capable unit when you need it.

Abbott
 
I am interested in this comment as I am gassing for a III. It seems to have everything I want. From my reading it's basically a much improved 5DII which really appeals to me.
As was said previously, the big improvement in III over II was AF. Mpxls were a little higher, noise reduction was better, other small improvements. I wouldn't call the III "much improved" over the II, but it was definitely significantly improved in some areas.
is there a precedent in Canon pricing regarding a model getting towards the end of it's retail shelf life? By that I mean, was it similar when the III came out replacing the II?
The 1D Mark III and 1D Mark IV dropped a lot near end-of-life. The 1DX seems to be doing that now. Price drops of 30% or more from the introduction price seem about right, and I know people who wait to get the last stock of the previous model. I tend not to do that because, worry wart that I am, I prefer a "main run" over a "last run" unit and am willing to pay a bit for it.
Also, if anyone can recall.... What did the III start at price wise? It would be probably roughly what the IV would start at if and when it comes. I have not been doing this long enough to know.
I recall the 5DIII started at USD$3500-3600. Each successive model upgrade seems to start a bit higher, so I'd guess that the "rumored IV" might start around $3800-4000. Hard to say now that the 5DS/R are out. They both started around where I thought a IV might start. Looking at the tradeoffs between the 5DS and "rumored 5DIV", I could imagine the new body starting where the DS line did. Also, both bodies are different, so I suspect there will still be good use for both 5DIV and 5DS.

I've noticed that Canon's pro bodies tend to drop in price a bit within 9-12 months of introduction. That happened when I was watching the 1DIII, 1DIV, the 5DIII and now with the 5DS/R. As an example, with the current rebate you can now buy a 5DS or 5DS R for several hundred $ less than they sold for when they were released, and you don't have to wait in line like people did at the announcement.

My own buying habit is to wait at least 9-12 months after a new model's introduced—the time depends on what I read about early issues. This waiting period gives manufacturers time to iron out the normal types of manufacturing and software issues that come from producing complex new stuff. This strategy has served me well.

So, if I were to guestimate (based on hunches/rumors/etc.), I'd guess that the rumored 5DIV might be announced within a few months and might be available by summer '16 ("get in line" kind of available), and might be priced in the $3600-4k range. If that happened and I wanted to buy one, I'd be waiting until next winter (my normal waiting period).

So: you could either buy a really nice, proven 5DIII at a known good price now and be enjoying a year's worth of photography, or you could wait 6-12 months to pay maybe $1k more for a camera whose real capabilities and price aren't yet known, and whose "new/improved" capabilities may not even matter to you.

I increasingly find it too frustrating to try to second-guess the manufacturers and sellers. From experience I know that initial Canon camera/lens prices start out priced relatively high and the products are in short supply. Prices drop a bit and supply is better after a while, and then things stabilize for a long time, finishing with price drops as the product cycle ends. If I really need one of the new products, I'll wait until "mainstream" and not worry about getting the absolute best price. I keep my gear for a while, use it a lot, and care mostly about attributes and build quality.

Abbott
 

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