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Was getting ready to buy second GX-8 until yesterday (Oct 18)

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That makes no sense. If the LCD gets you where you want to go then use it. Experiment a little. It sounds like the EVF works for you 99.9% of the time so use the LCD for the other .1%.
 
Eyes wear as well as knees and shoulder tissues. Some days my shooting eye shows poor vision due to incipient glaucoma effects. Other days it is floaters. My feeling about electronic viewfinders and the possible focus capabilities of the Lumix cameras is very positive. Under certain glare conditions, you will definitely have problems. I mean that I do. I would try various remedies relating to eyes, such as drops that contain an antihistamine. Or see if your refraction has change. I do not use eye glasses and am glad that the GX 7 is such a sharp EVF. Could it be better, you bet your bippie and I bought the add on rubber hood. It helps, but not perfect. In a pinch you could likely get an optical zoom finder to sit in the flash shoe..extreme, but out there as an idea. Hang in is a wise decision. And don't get any more old age afflictions sir..:-)
 
I would not sweat wear on a mechanical shutter if that is a variable in this discussion. I love the GX 8 re David Thorpe's review on line and I want one, but I am set for this year and maybe next. When it comes down I will check my assets. Lumix has great menus, and a nifty design. Yet Olympus EM-1 has a crisper viewfinder in my opinion for what I do...Viewing is an important issue rarely discussed on these forums in the same terms as you discussed and I follow it with interest. There is of course and option to use some larger device like an IPad or iPhone I suppose for challenging light conditions. If an optical prism assembly works better, is it because your eyeballs are used to that or the image has some property? I wonder.
 
Tony8232 said:
That makes no sense. If the LCD gets you where you want to go then use it. Experiment a little. It sounds like the EVF works for you 99.9% of the time so use the LCD for the other .1%.
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Gerry Siegel said:
I would not sweat wear on a mechanical shutter if that is a variable in this discussion. I love the GX 8 re David Thorpe's review on line and I want one, but I am set for this year and maybe next. When it comes down I will check my assets. Lumix has great menus, and a nifty design. Yet Olympus EM-1 has a crisper viewfinder in my opinion for what I do...Viewing is an important issue rarely discussed on these forums in the same terms as you discussed and I follow it with interest. There is of course and option to use some larger device like an IPad or iPhone I suppose for challenging light conditions. If an optical prism assembly works better, is it because your eyeballs are used to that or the image has some property? I wonder.
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Have to consider wear on the mechanical shutter. I've already have over 23,000 clicks, mostly on the electronic shutter, in the two months I've had the camera. Don't forget for every shot with the mechanical shutter you gfo through two cycles.
 
Gerry Siegel said:
Eyes wear as well as knees and shoulder tissues. Some days my shooting eye shows poor vision due to incipient glaucoma effects. Other days it is floaters. My feeling about electronic viewfinders and the possible focus capabilities of the Lumix cameras is very positive. Under certain glare conditions, you will definitely have problems. I mean that I do. I would try various remedies relating to eyes, such as drops that contain an antihistamine. Or see if your refraction has change. I do not use eye glasses and am glad that the GX 7 is such a sharp EVF. Could it be better, you bet your bippie and I bought the add on rubber hood. It helps, but not perfect. In a pinch you could likely get an optical zoom finder to sit in the flash shoe..extreme, but out there as an idea. Hang in is a wise decision. And don't get any more old age afflictions sir..:-)
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I have central serous chorioretinopathy so I would have to run that by my retina specialist before using antihistamine. I've had narrow angle glaucoma, had laser treatment burning a hole in each iris to create an additional drain path for fluid buildup. Eventually will need cataract surgery in both eyes.
 
Yes, I generally try and force my views on others it's part of my charm. Seriously doesn't that camera have a fully articulated LCD. I'm pretty certain that with a bit of experimentation you could substitute the EVF with the LCD. What your saying, I'll never use an LCD puzzles me. I'm not making fun of you I just don't see why someone would lock themselves in a position that limits the functionality of the camera.
 
Bingo. I almost always wear a hat when shooting and it's been this way since I used film SLRs. Best thing you can ever use in the sun.
 
I notice with the GX7 as well that low angle bright light from the left makes it hard to see the viewfinder.

A little bit of shade from my hand solved the problem.

However every system has a weak point here or there, that isn't enough for me to change systems - I may well find other similar problems with the next system.
 
Tony8232 said:
Yes, I generally try and force my views on others it's part of my charm. Seriously doesn't that camera have a fully articulated LCD. I'm pretty certain that with a bit of experimentation you could substitute the EVF with the LCD. What your saying, I'll never use an LCD puzzles me. I'm not making fun of you I just don't see why someone would lock themselves in a position that limits the functionality of the camera.
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RichRMA said:
Bingo. I almost always wear a hat when shooting and it's been this way since I used film SLRs. Best thing you can ever use in the sun.
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Not only the sun, but necessary in cold weather to mimize loss of body heat.
 
Eric Nepean said:
I notice with the GX7 as well that low angle bright light from the left makes it hard to see the viewfinder.

A little bit of shade from my hand solved the problem.
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I tried that and it works, but a little bit awkward when shooting action shots. Having said that it is a workable solution that I went out and bought the second GX-8. I can always use the 35-100/2.8 in place of the 40-150/2.8 for those events where I'm going to be most affected by the low angle sun, lot less weight to hold with one hand while shielding with the other.
 
Sounds like you do have some serious vision problems that are not helping your shooting vision any. I used the term glaucoma before but I really meant sun exposure related cataracts. Sorry, but it can be a nuisance since I now shoot with a different and less preferential eyeball than I used to. I do notice, and this is just a suspicion, that certain colors are harder to see, for instance red lights. Which leads me to wonder if crispness could be enhanced by some eyeglass color filtration like sunglasses might achieve. Another toss out idea related to something we all must deal with eventually. It is a part of the human condition of visual sensory decline. Along with smell, taste, a few things we do not mention ... But assuming you use a hood on the lens and a hood over the EVF and this is the latest generation of EVF you are doing the best you can. Is it seeing or focusing confirmation, well I need to return to the discussion and recap what was said. But yes, by all means find an opthalmologist who also is a photographer and understands.
 
On Glucosamine and other over the counter joint juice remedies, I am skeptical. My main view is that supplements of this kind have the value of persuading sufferers to avoid a worse option, which is arthroscopic surgery or injection of steroids which all cause pain and suffering and are both costly and have side effects. I take a Centrum daily even though and assay of my vitamins shows I am well within daily normal amounts. Though when I walk the aisles of COSTCO it is amazing the volume of pills that we could take for you name it. As to joint problems I am a personal salesman for Yoga, real quality Yoga to relieve both stiffness, strengthen the soft tissues and relieve pain. Again, I have not proof, but my orthopedist agrees. It has been shown to help many. I think that the point you made that the mirrorless cameras have been a joy for weight relief for those who must lug a lot to sports events. And have no Sherpa bearers to help carry.
 
May I suggest wearing a hat with a brim to shade the viewfinder and your eyes? Works for me.

I use Advil LiquiGel Capsules which are 'miraculous' for pain relief with very little side effect.
 
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brianric said:
I shoot charity events and grammar school sports, and fallen in love with my GX-8 with the 40-150/2.8 lens. The GX-8 replaced one of my FF cameras. I've been getting fantastic results with the setup up until yesterday. I've already shot two Making Strides Against Breast Cancer Walks the past two weeks in Wilmington DE & Philadelphia. I was shooting my third Strides event yesterday in Ocean City NJ. I had planned on getting a second GX-8 with a 12-40/2.8 along with a flash to replace the other FF camera that I use on a shoot. I had a hard time viewing through the viewfinder in the portrait position, and had a manageable but difficult time viewing in the landscape position. It was about 10 AM, I was facing south on the Boardwalk. It was a clear day, no clouds until late in the day, so a low angle sun rays were coming to my left. I thought EC3 eye cup would resolve the problem, to no avail. My pans was to get a second M43 camera so I can lighten my load on my photo shoots. I'm 65 with a artificial left shoulder and severe case of osteoarthritis in the left knee, so any weight reduction is most appreciated to extend my ability to continue shooting. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Hi Brian

Going slightly off topic.....

Please could you post some of your sports shots as I am very interested in this combo.

Do you use a monopod. If so, is it it easy switching from landscape to portrait and vice versa?

Thanks.
 
obsolescence said:
May I suggest wearing a hat with a brim to shade the viewfinder and your eyes? Works for me.

I use Advil LiquiGel Capsules which are 'miraculous' for pain relief with very little side effect.
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I wear a ball cap but wear at backwards. Brim gets in the way on landscape shots, and it doen't help with low angle sun on my left.
 
Sherlock74 said:
brianric said:
I shoot charity events and grammar school sports, and fallen in love with my GX-8 with the 40-150/2.8 lens. The GX-8 replaced one of my FF cameras. I've been getting fantastic results with the setup up until yesterday. I've already shot two Making Strides Against Breast Cancer Walks the past two weeks in Wilmington DE & Philadelphia. I was shooting my third Strides event yesterday in Ocean City NJ. I had planned on getting a second GX-8 with a 12-40/2.8 along with a flash to replace the other FF camera that I use on a shoot. I had a hard time viewing through the viewfinder in the portrait position, and had a manageable but difficult time viewing in the landscape position. It was about 10 AM, I was facing south on the Boardwalk. It was a clear day, no clouds until late in the day, so a low angle sun rays were coming to my left. I thought EC3 eye cup would resolve the problem, to no avail. My pans was to get a second M43 camera so I can lighten my load on my photo shoots. I'm 65 with a artificial left shoulder and severe case of osteoarthritis in the left knee, so any weight reduction is most appreciated to extend my ability to continue shooting. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Hi Brian

Going slightly off topic.....

Please could you post some of your sports shots as I am very interested in this combo.

Do you use a monopod. If so, is it it easy switching from landscape to portrait and vice versa?

Thanks.
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No monopod, the GX-8 & 40-150/2.8 is lite enough to hand hold all day.

Soccer http://www.brianric.com/Ambassador-Christian-Academy/2015-ACA-Events/2015-ACA-Soccer/

Bike-a-thon, all the shots with bicyclist riding their bicycles: http://www.brianric.com/Multiple-Sclerosis--Events/2015-MS-Bike-to-Bay-Day-2/

Rodeo http://www.brianric.com/Cowtown-Rodeo/08-29-15-Cowtown-Rodeo/

Team photo on soccer done with Nikon D810, rest of soccer pictures done with GX-8. All Rodeo shots done with GX-8. As far as the bike-a-thon only those pictures with bicyclists riding their bicycles were done with the GX-8 combo, all other shots a mix between the GX-8 and D810.
 
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