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SushiEater said:
....So you think someone has to start with on topic post so they are no longer considered "newbie" before they can post slightly off-topic?
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Firstly, 'yes'.

Secondly, computer stock 'trading' is wholly/entirely 'off topic' as a thread starter topic in this forum.
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Your third post in PC Talk not related to photography you started:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/33300824

HMMM!!!!!
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HMMM - you are being very childish again, and 'grasping at straws'.

I had already been participating in various DPR forums, on and off, for over 8 years (now 14 years to date) prior to that PC Talk post - and I very obviously use my PC(s) for digital photography (amongst many other things).

[P.S. Amusingly, I'm still 'getting around' to that Windows 7 upgrade - sometime soon now - LOL].
 
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Jim Cockfield said:
" Not remotely useful thread"

Thanks to....????

I'll let others decide. But, I would not brag about your role.
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I'm not 'bragging' - are you?

I don't see that you have contributed anything useful at all - only a very poorly veiled deceit about how "Very useful..." this thread apparently is/was (which it clearly hasn't been at any point).
 
Mark H said:
Austinian said:
Based on your remarks, it appears to me that your real problem here has nothing to do with the thread being OT per se; it's purely that you have some kind of personal issue with stock trading, and all this other stuff is just a smoke screen for that.
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Well you have got that completely/utterly wrong.

It quite tempting to explain/elaborate as why you are so wrong, but I'm going to resist the commonly seen internet forum urge toward 'waiving of credentials' - so you'll just have to take my word for it.
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I'm going only by your previous remarks in this thread:

"It certainly does not include 'stock trading' (which quite frankly is nothing more than a speculative and opportunistic form of gambling/Ponzi scheme anyway - although now I am going 'off-topic' too)."

and

"Stock 'traders' are making money out of other people - that's OK to a degree, except that speculative/opportunistic 'traders' actually do and/or contribute very little (or absolutely nothing) to warrant the 'cut' that they routinely cream off of other peoples' money/assets (including yours and mine, whether directly or indirectly), quite often using convoluted mechanisms such as 'short selling', 'hedging' and 'derivatives' (essentially 'gambling') mostly designed in their own self-interest.

'Ponzi scheme' is certainly an exaggeration - but there is definitely a connection/relationship between the two activities."

If you were only complaining about OT, as I see it there was no reason whatever to even mention those opinions.

No explanation is necessary, and credentials are irrelevant.

Surely this has gone on too long already...though if history is any guide, we'll be at 149 replies before the end. :-(
 
rhit said:
Folks,

I understand both sides. It's PC Talk, let's talk about computers. But it's a photo site, and the sub-forum states it should be photography related "PC talk". That said, OP's question is no more off topic than postings about the success/failures of [insert operating system here], or "Please help me. I'm having issues with [insert nonphoto-related problem here]," or "Which [insert a/v vendor name] should I get?" And so on and so forth.

I see several options.

- I can delete/move every single post that hasn't the slightest thing to do with photography.

- I can let things continue as they were (i.e., super long debates that digressed long distances - light years - away from photography).

- Or, I can let things continue as they are now. Moderate, mostly respectful debate that's slightly off topic with respect to photography, but still within the realm of computer.

Up to you all.
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Hi rhit:

I have no problem with a person asking advice about a PC to use for trading stocks. I certainly prefer that type of question over the bashing, anti MS propaganda type of post that were taking place.

My vote is to let things continue as they are now and to use your authority to lower the boom as required.

Regards,

Guido
 
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Mark H said:
HMMM - you are being very childish again, and 'grasping at straws'.
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I guess that we should ignore rule number 6 about name calling, given your apparent desire for stricter interpretation of the rules.

Many of use are probably guilty of bending or breaking a rule from time to time. So, common sense comes into the equation.

But, for goodness sakes Mark. This bickering is only going to serve to chase away potential forum members (and perhaps existing forum members that are sick and tired of this kind name calling and unfriendly debate).

So, please stop trying to defend your actions and just walk away and ignore threads that you are not interested in.
 
Mark H said:
Jim Cockfield said:
" Not remotely useful thread"

Thanks to....????

I'll let others decide. But, I would not brag about your role.
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I'm not 'bragging' - are you?

I don't see that you have contributed anything useful at all - only a very poorly veiled deceit about how "Very useful..." this thread apparently is/was (which it clearly hasn't been at any point).
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It has not been very useful because you started complaining about it, versus providing the OP with suggestions on a computer that would satisfy the OP's requirements.

Hopefully, some of our more knowledgeable posters will respond and try to help the OP find a good solution (that would also benefit other forum members that may be looking for a reliable computer with good performance and support for multiple displays).

But, I do not doubt that the OP has already decided to avoid this site going forward, because the OP would probably not want to be part of this type of debate (if you even consider it to be a debate, given the name calling, and your complaints implying the moderator needs replacing, that the thread is off topic, etc.)

Please continue to ignore the facts pointed out in posts like this one:

Loading…

www.dpreview.com

[sarcasm]

You're doing a great job so far.

[/sarasm]

I have some work to do. So, I have to take a break from this pointless debate (if you want to call it that, since it's really just degraded into a thread about your complaints, versus anything useful to the OP and other members that may be interested in a PC offering good performance and reliability with support for multiple displays).
 
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Austinian said:
Mark H said:
Austinian said:
Based on your remarks, it appears to me that your real problem here has nothing to do with the thread being OT per se; it's purely that you have some kind of personal issue with stock trading, and all this other stuff is just a smoke screen for that.
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Well you have got that completely/utterly wrong.

It quite tempting to explain/elaborate as why you are so wrong, but I'm going to resist the commonly seen internet forum urge toward 'waiving of credentials' - so you'll just have to take my word for it.
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I'm going only by your previous remarks in this thread: ...
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Austinian said:
... If you were only complaining about OT, as I see it there was no reason whatever to even mention those opinions.
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Most threads 'diverge/evolve'.
Austinian said:
No explanation is necessary,..
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It's certainly true that I have little respect for people who 'earn' a living that way - essentially they are just playing a 'computer game/professional gambling'.

But completely disregarding that, the OP thread is to my mind clearly 'off topic' in this digital photography forum.
Austinian said:
...and credentials are irrelevant.
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They aren't 'irrelevant' - they might provide some perspective/insight/mitigation - but since I'm not going to offer it here, then no matter.
Austinian said:
Surely this has gone on too long already...though if history is any guide, we'll be at 149 replies before the end. :-(
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Yes, it can be tedious, I agree - but nobody is being forced to read/post anything here.

If we are reading/posting any of this, we are only doing so of our own free will.

It's pretty easy to just ignore any thread in its entirety - just don't 'click' on it.
 
Jim Cockfield said:
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Member said:
HMMM - you are being very childish again, and 'grasping at straws'.
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So, please stop trying to defend your actions and just walk away...
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Flatly - no.

I suggest you really should 'please' stop trying to lecture, and telling other members to 'walk away' - anymore than you would want me/anyone else to tell you to do exactly the same yourself - it's nothing but pure hypocrisy on your part.
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...and ignore threads that you are not interested in.
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I'm 'interested' in this one (but not the original [off-topic] 'topic').
 
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Mark H said:
Austinian said:
Based on your remarks, it appears to me that your real problem here has nothing to do with the thread being OT per se; it's purely that you have some kind of personal issue with stock trading, and all this other stuff is just a smoke screen for that.
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Well you have got that completely/utterly wrong.

It quite tempting to explain/elaborate as why you are so wrong, but I'm going to resist the commonly seen internet forum urge toward 'waiving of credentials' - so you'll just have to take my word for it.
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Guys, guys.

Will someone post to my thread that I have created on the OPs original topic in a more neutral forum?? I feel a little left out of the conversation. ;)

Bob
 
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Mark H said:
I'm 'interested' in this one (but not the original [off-topic] 'topic').
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That might be part of the problem :-)

Seriously, I think it's very reasonable to start a thread concerning moderation and forum rules. I did so myself a few weeks ago. Obviously, if the moderator disagrees he/she can shut it down.

What has happened here is... the thread concerning computers for trading was taken way off course into very controversial waters. And the fact is that some folks here through the original question was at least reasonable even if you (and some others) didn't.

Honestly, if we deleted every thread that wasn't photo-specific, this forum would be dead and overdue for burial.

Why not start a new thread concerning what is, should be, and should not be on-topic for this forum? Maybe it will even garner some constructive inputs.
 
Mark H said:
This is a 'digital photography' site - and this forum is intended for discussion of 'PC' topics connected to 'digital photography' (hint: try reading the forum header) not 'stock trading' - some quite obtuse people here today.
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Pedantry is another attribute we're seeing. How many tit for tat postings have you made to this thread to object to it being OT? How is that not far more grossly OT? You could have posted once, and left. Or even twice. Or not even read it at all. Any complaint about signal to noise ratio feels a bit thin given the amount of noise you're adding. It's more than mildly ironic,insulting that you give this suggestion to those annoyed by how you hikacked the thread.

It's abundantly clear that you don't see societal value in day trading. And just as clear that you can't handle being challenged back. And you won't let things be. So you're the latest add to my kill file.

Reliable computing is a relevant topic here. I know I want to run 3 screens and not worry about it being unavailable. Even the very useful advice to secure a second broadband connections matters to the professional photographers. It was a civil, mildly off topic thread that wasn't harming you or anyone else. So long as discussions are civil, the subject descriptions are accurate, and the OT threads don't overwhelm the subject list, there really isn't a problem worth getting huffy about.
 
tucson0159 said:
Mark H said:
Austinian said:
Based on your remarks, it appears to me that your real problem here has nothing to do with the thread being OT per se; it's purely that you have some kind of personal issue with stock trading, and all this other stuff is just a smoke screen for that.
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Well you have got that completely/utterly wrong.

It quite tempting to explain/elaborate as why you are so wrong, but I'm going to resist the commonly seen internet forum urge toward 'waiving of credentials' - so you'll just have to take my word for it.
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Guys, guys.

Will someone post to my thread that I have created on the OPs original topic in a more neutral forum?? I feel a little left out of the conversation. ;)
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LOL.

No disrespect to you Bob - but I really don't think this thread/this topic was ever a 'goer' right from the outset.

Even the 'OP', seemingly, didn't consider even the first handful of 'constructive' replies worthy of any response.

Honestly - anyone can just pop into their local PC store, or visit Dell/HP web-site (many other vendors) and find themselves any number of 'reliable/powerful' machines capable of driving 'multiple displays'.

Even had this thread started 'on-topic' (i.e. actually connected to photography) it still would have been a pretty banal/vacuous request.

Again - no disrespect to your obviously good intents - perhaps you could be a [better] moderator. :-P
 
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Mark H said:
tucson0159 said:
Mark H said:
Austinian said:
Based on your remarks, it appears to me that your real problem here has nothing to do with the thread being OT per se; it's purely that you have some kind of personal issue with stock trading, and all this other stuff is just a smoke screen for that.
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Well you have got that completely/utterly wrong.

It quite tempting to explain/elaborate as why you are so wrong, but I'm going to resist the commonly seen internet forum urge toward 'waiving of credentials' - so you'll just have to take my word for it.
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Guys, guys.

Will someone post to my thread that I have created on the OPs original topic in a more neutral forum?? I feel a little left out of the conversation. ;)
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LOL.

No disrespect to you Bob - but I really don't think this thread/this topic was ever a 'goer' right from the outset.

Even the 'OP', seemingly, didn't consider even the first handful of 'constructive' replies worthy of any response.
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By the time he considered even saying "thank you" you scared a living $hit out of him.
 
SushiEater said:
Mark H said:
SushiEater said:
Member said:
If we are reading/posting any of this, we are only doing so of our own free will.

It's pretty easy to just ignore any thread in its entirety - just don't 'click' on it.
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Good advice. Follow it.
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What part of "...of our own free will" do you not understand?
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Let me help you out a bit here...
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The part when you I stop responding to my your posts.
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...not that your response actually makes much sense, either which way.

'Have a nice day' now. ;-)
 
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