You need more than two models to have one in the middle
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More M10 and 15-45 pictures - not a pancake more like 11-22
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Rock and Rollei
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Yeah, but he's talking about all the G series as well as the Ms.You need more than two models to have one in the middle
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And FWIW, although you don't think the M3 is good enough for enthusiasts, it's good enough for professionals - I started using it the week before last on some jobs. It's not great for action, we know, but most of the business people I get to shoot don't move that fast, nor does much at any of their events.
crashpc
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67gtonr: I'd not call it undermining. It's another product people always wanted, and manufacturer should deliver it, if there is healthy competition, otherwise it will be undermined anyway, by another company.
You know that 4.5 FPS from new, not cheap MILC is pathetic. Output image quality issuses, bugs, lower DR it all stacks up. Then add higher price, fact that I have to buy that cam in a set with the kit lens, and there will be enaugh customers pi$$ed off enaugh to not buy, or even jump the ship.
I'm also already in the state where I'm done with Canon for the time being, stopped buying gear untill they come with true uphrade path. Not DSLR with smaller viewfinder than before, not MILC with corners cut, not MILC without a hotshoe. It's pathetic.
You know that 4.5 FPS from new, not cheap MILC is pathetic. Output image quality issuses, bugs, lower DR it all stacks up. Then add higher price, fact that I have to buy that cam in a set with the kit lens, and there will be enaugh customers pi$$ed off enaugh to not buy, or even jump the ship.
I'm also already in the state where I'm done with Canon for the time being, stopped buying gear untill they come with true uphrade path. Not DSLR with smaller viewfinder than before, not MILC with corners cut, not MILC without a hotshoe. It's pathetic.
I believe Canon is attempting to supply cameras to consumers by having a wide variety to meet the needs of many varying customers, they know that the average camera buyer is looking to buy a camera which provides the most within their budget which they can count on to operate properly for an extended time and have the capability to expand if they decide to later, not necessarily the mirrorless camera with the best features or sensor or most FPS.
Why should this not be sufficient? If you want more FPS Canon makes many other cameras that fit that criteria.
Maybe to you but not to me.
I'm actually glad they are doing it that way, i am hoping this will result in lower prices on white box lenses from split up kits!
You probably have plenty of gear already, just go out and enjoy what you have!
crashpc
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Ehm, what Canon Milc gives us more FPS? Is there ANY currently sold MILC in that age giving less or even the same FPS? NO. Cano is truly the last one. That is not good by any means. Also buffer depth is pathetic. Last one again.
I still can live with that old sensor, and make great images. It will take me some years to jump because of sensor. But really? Last one again? You call that good job?
Yes. This is good for "secondary" buy. Not for direct sales. Anyway they usually did it the way that one could buy kit, or the body alone. Now, I have my kit lens bought with original M. I won't play that game again, and I won't get pushed into this "bullies selling strategy" fok'em! I more likely jump the ship than undergo this.
I am happy with my original M for the price, but I don't have good native lenses. 50mm stabilized prime is greatest pain I have.
So what? Of course it is "good enough". Most MILC cameras these days are good enough for professionals in many use cases.
That doesn't mean that the M3 is the MILC camera professionals must turn to...
The main reason a pro using Canon equipment might turn to it is because it is a Canon... obviously compatibility has an advantage that overcomes many weaknesses the M3 might have, especially when you have other Canon cameras for the use cases the M3 is poor at.
But what you don't see is professionals claiming the M3 is their main camera - in the way they do with pros using Olympus, Panasonic or Sony MILCs.
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meland
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No wonder the 55-200 got thru the metal detector without a peep when I brought it into a concert (disconnected from the camera) a few weeks ago. Plastic has its advantages!
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crashpc
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Does that somehow make them not professionals?
Are these people not professionals then http://www.olympus-imagespace.co.uk/photographers/
Is this person not a professional? http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/full-frame-v-micro-four-thirds/
If a professional is rewarded by Canon for promoting the Canon brand does that mean they are not a professional either?
Show me a page of similar Canon M system users... even ones paid to say they are
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crashpc
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No, it doesn´t.
They can be.
it is not.
I remember some Canon promotion of M system and I believe these people promoting Canon cam were presented or considered professionals.
Well, these questions still don´t folow melands question. We´d like to se professionals using MILC gear, not promoting it for money. Which are they, how many, what percentage. It´s interesting information to work with, and we believe it would show that professionals generally don´t use MILCs yet.
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crashpc
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But the point is, they are pros, earning money from selling photographs, and they are using MILCs.
QED
Now show me similar M system pros... Even the ones Canon is paying
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crashpc
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Yes. They are using MILCS because they´re payed for using MILCs. How difficult is to understand that. Nobody said MILCs are not good. It´s just skewed outer observation. I´d say it´s not even a proper job. It´s really walking ad. Closer to corruption than fair business.
Those MILCs are obviously good enaugh to not damage ones reputation, but if this is the true cover story, it´s all fake, and irrelevant.
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rrccad
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true.
but then again, how many pros are using the 1Dx, the 5D series, the 7D series cameras? or the D800, D600, D700 series cameras from nikon?
people tend to hear the dozen or so loud vocal "I've switched from CaNikon!!" however there's countless of others that continue to upgrade and advance their gear into the professional cameras of canon and nikon.
case and point, after a flurry of at launch, on amazon.com the 5D Mark III is outselling the A7RII.
and I suspect we'll see the A7RII continue to slide down.
meanwhile canon has been steadily selling the 5D Mark III for 3.5 years - steadily to people wanting a professional camera.
someone mentioned that canon's leaving the "A7R" market to sony.. so i thought about it.. well no, the A7RII is simply8 another full frame camera that has to compete against the D750,m D810, 5D, 6D, 1D, D4 series camera bodies.
it's a crowded market - and while there's a bunch of loud screaming, people tend to ignore the silent majority here.
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That is the point , if you're concerned about FPS, Canon makes plenty of other cameras with more of a focus on FPS. Canon doesn't need to try and cram as much into their MILC's as other co's that don't offer anything better than their MILC's!
It's not for me, but I have seen plenty of outstanding images from the M3 posted.
Your kit didn't come with a 15-45 lens.
I wonder precisely about that focal length, it fits into the gap of the 15-45 and the 55-200, I wonder if that means Canon is going to come out with an EF-M 50mm f2.0, or is a way to sell adapters and more EF 50 f1.8 STM's maybe as a gateway to getting an FF or maybe up market EF-S camera?
crashpc
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I know it´s not that easy. I´m not directly interested, but when I buy that cam, I´m about to get inferior cam. It doesn´t make sense to me. Therefore I´m not going to buy it, therefore they about SHOULD look around to get some more sales.
I´ve seen plenty of outstanding images made by mobile phone. How is that relevant...
I was set on M3 more than M10. This one doesn´t have a hot shoe, and is thicker, and tiltable LCD is of no use for me.
No idea
I´m also not going slower than f/1.8. I´m too affected by my current 1.4.CaMeRa QuEsT
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