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Nikon is the leader after all
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Leonardo Barreto
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there is no absolute leader, no camera maker can make every photographer 100% happy plus make money.
I just purchased the S2 because it is the best camera for me and I consider myself a serious photography person. I almost went Canon (remember ciao to Nikon) but the DX line of lenses was a good destination to have available in the future...
The competition is very interesting, and it is good to see the competition moving things fast.
Imagine what a Fujifilm S3 pro would look like...
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I just purchased the S2 because it is the best camera for me and I consider myself a serious photography person. I almost went Canon (remember ciao to Nikon) but the DX line of lenses was a good destination to have available in the future...
The competition is very interesting, and it is good to see the competition moving things fast.
Imagine what a Fujifilm S3 pro would look like...
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Ken Phillips
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... as I've not seen a SINGLE D2h at a sporting event ;-} Have you? Comparing a REAL camera (I'm on my second 1D) to a specification sheet doesn't cut it.
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Terry M
Leading Member
To be honest they have reached such technological advances that it seems that things have changes in the outlook to photography. If in the past people looked for better tools (that is cameras and lenses film etc)to realize their ideal image , todays dslrs can do things they have not envisioned yet and they will start looking for new concepts to use these dslrs.
I can say for my type of photography (mainly stills , scenery and urban) i get more from my cp5700 than i got from my set of n80 + lenses.
yap exciting times for us isnt it??!!
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Tim Chakravorty
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Bernie Ess
Veteran Member
Used to be. I have neither Canon nor Nikon gear, so I am not biased to either of them, but there is still no manufacturer to have sth to compete with the EOS 1ds, in terms of resolution and overall quality. Nikons APS sized cameras are another category, few serious photographers will prefer the 1,5x factor to full frame.
To some people resolution matters, and they all go for the 1ds. Nikon is still at 6MP, and this is yesterday's state of the art... Saying that "Megapixels" is not the only race to win doesn't sound too convincing here. If they had at least announced a hiRez solution yesterday along with the D2H... But they don't seem to even have one being devellopped. The D2H is a slightly upgraded version of the 1D 2years later and with a smaller sensor.
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--I think that higher rez issues will start slowing down , if it has not yet done so , because there is no real justification, econimically speaking , for this , you see , 90% of world potential buyers of digicams are non professional, that is not making money from this toy , the present rez 6mp is sufficient for top class images for A3 prints and higher . I know professionals who were happy with their d1h 2.74mp although wished for a little more . I dont want to offend anyone but the canon d10 which is a very efficient and beautiful cam , has had issues with the low light focusing with the sigma lens for example, i read it on this site and also tried it at the shop , so you see these are the important issues to tackle in future . not the higher rez .
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Charles Nguyen
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Peter Phan
Senior Member
In two years time, Nikon has managed to make a Canon 1D with a larger buffer. Is that leadership?
Notice the "new" features of the D2H, which are actually "old" features of the 1D:
4mp
8fps
magnesium alloy body
weather sealing
high-speed flash sync
true mirror lock up
white balance sensor
RAW+JPEG
11 point autofocus array (1D is customizable for 9, 11, or 45 points)
The D2H appears to be an excellent sports camera, but then so is the Canon 1D. Also keep in mind that the D2H has only half the max flash sync speed, half the max shutter speed, and half the max high speed sync speed of the 1D. And the 1D has firewire versus the D2H's USB 2.
That being said, I'd sure love for Canon to come out with a good super ultra-wide lens or zoom.
Notice the "new" features of the D2H, which are actually "old" features of the 1D:
4mp
8fps
magnesium alloy body
weather sealing
high-speed flash sync
true mirror lock up
white balance sensor
RAW+JPEG
11 point autofocus array (1D is customizable for 9, 11, or 45 points)
The D2H appears to be an excellent sports camera, but then so is the Canon 1D. Also keep in mind that the D2H has only half the max flash sync speed, half the max shutter speed, and half the max high speed sync speed of the 1D. And the 1D has firewire versus the D2H's USB 2.
That being said, I'd sure love for Canon to come out with a good super ultra-wide lens or zoom.
Peter Phan
Senior Member
First you say they're happy, then you say they want more mp?!? Ask them how they like cropping down their 2.74mp images. Ask them how well 2.74mp handles portraits or large group shots.
I shoot the 10D on a regular basis in low-light receptions and events. Autofocus performance has been very good. The only time is may struggle is when the light is VERY low, in which case the flash's red patterned autofocus assist light kicks in, allowing the 10D to focus on a blank wall in total darkness!
Mike Roedel
Active member
I'd hardly call Nikon the new leader based upon the D2H. Yeah it's exciting but new leader...?
I own a D100 so naturally I'm labeled the "Nikon guy" amongst my buds. (I really don't care, it's a camera, not a religion. But that's another topic...)
Seems to me ('er us) that the 1D has the following shortcomings relative to the D2H:
I own a D100 so naturally I'm labeled the "Nikon guy" amongst my buds. (I really don't care, it's a camera, not a religion. But that's another topic...)
Seems to me ('er us) that the 1D has the following shortcomings relative to the D2H:
- No orientation sensor
- No LiIon battery
- No Selectable NTSC/PAL video output
- Much smaller LCD
- Mirror blackout 87ms (Vs. 80ms for D2H) [insignificant difference]
- Shutter lag 57ms (Vs. 37ms for D2H) [Significant!]
- 21 frame buffer (Vs. 40 for D2H)
- No ISO 6400 equivalent
- No USB 2.0 [personal preference]
- Vertical "Centerline"
- High ISO banding (horizontal)
- No magnify in playback
- 3.5 lbs w/battery (Vs. 2.7 lbs for D2H)
- Oh yeah, that wireless deal (that's just cool!, practicality remains to be proven)
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harry
Guest
The rivalry between Canon and Nikon would benefit the consumers no matter how you cut it. With a list price of US$3,500, D2h will force 1D to drop its price to stay competitive. The 2-year lag of Nikon behind Canon will be forgiven in the longer term if both companies will provide competitive products in every category.
I am basically sick of people comparing D2h to 1Ds, which are aimed at different purposes. There's no reason why Nikon could not eventually come out with a full frame similar to 1Ds. It might be just pride, or just to stay competitive. I would be interested to see if there's such data available about the market shares of 1Ds, 1D, 10D (for different purposes) to shed some light about what is really the money maker, and what is really just serving as a flagship such as 1D (for speed) and 1Ds (for Rez).
Finally, let's not forget about the Fuji, Oly (4/3), Pentax 1st, rumored Minolta Dslr. Granted, this gang does not have the clout as Nikon and Canon, but they collectively would definitely create a stir in the $1,000 - $2,000 range Dslr market.
Harry
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I am basically sick of people comparing D2h to 1Ds, which are aimed at different purposes. There's no reason why Nikon could not eventually come out with a full frame similar to 1Ds. It might be just pride, or just to stay competitive. I would be interested to see if there's such data available about the market shares of 1Ds, 1D, 10D (for different purposes) to shed some light about what is really the money maker, and what is really just serving as a flagship such as 1D (for speed) and 1Ds (for Rez).
Finally, let's not forget about the Fuji, Oly (4/3), Pentax 1st, rumored Minolta Dslr. Granted, this gang does not have the clout as Nikon and Canon, but they collectively would definitely create a stir in the $1,000 - $2,000 range Dslr market.
Harry
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Matt Todd
Forum Enthusiast
Hehehe, good point... PLUS, the mass amount of 1D owners STILL have to make the switch for Nikon to have the "lead"...
I think the only things on the D2h that is truly attractive are these: Low ISO noise and fast single-channel output from sensor, the fast AF (just as fast or a little slower than the 1D's), improved setings et al (because of it being newer), and there was one more thing but I forgot... Oh, the buffer.
That's about it... The 1D still is a GREAT camera!
God Bless,
Matt
-Photography is my way of worshipping my Saviour, Jesus Christ
I think the only things on the D2h that is truly attractive are these: Low ISO noise and fast single-channel output from sensor, the fast AF (just as fast or a little slower than the 1D's), improved setings et al (because of it being newer), and there was one more thing but I forgot... Oh, the buffer.
That's about it... The 1D still is a GREAT camera!
God Bless,
Matt
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Matt Todd
Forum Enthusiast
Just for your knowledge, it's not 2D... For Canon, the higher the number, the lower the quality (if you compare the EOS 1v to the EOS 3, the 1v beats the 3 because it's newer...). I believe they just add random letters to the end, hehehe.
So the upgrade from the 1D will probably be 1Dr or 1Da... Something like that.
Who knows. Just thought I'd let you know (and not attack you like I was attacked when I didn't get it right the first time, hehe).
God bless,
Matt
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So the upgrade from the 1D will probably be 1Dr or 1Da... Something like that.
Who knows. Just thought I'd let you know (and not attack you like I was attacked when I didn't get it right the first time, hehe).
God bless,
Matt
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digital_ray_of_light
Veteran Member
A Japanese website of a major newspaper said that Canon is making 30k 10D per month and can't keep up with demand. I think 2k 1Ds per month was netioned was also mentioned but no 1D numbers. It was discussed in the forums, but I don't remember which specific threads. If someone else does, please point them out.
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Jon Ragnarsson
Guest
Nikon and Canon keep leapfrogging each other with DSLR models:
June 1999: Nikon D1
August 2000: Canon D30
February 2001: Nikon D1H
February 2001: Nikon D1X
November 2001: Canon 1D
February 2002: Nikon D100
March 2002: Canon D60
September 2002: Canon 1Ds
February 2003: Canon D10
July 2003: Nikon D2H
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still. Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
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June 1999: Nikon D1
August 2000: Canon D30
February 2001: Nikon D1H
February 2001: Nikon D1X
November 2001: Canon 1D
February 2002: Nikon D100
March 2002: Canon D60
September 2002: Canon 1Ds
February 2003: Canon D10
July 2003: Nikon D2H
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still. Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
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squash
Leading Member
Unless Canon has a new sensor technology, Canon will not leapfrog Nikon's D2H with their 1D follow-on.
Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST, even after Canon's noise suppression system.
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple of camera generations.
Even if they've been able to move CMOS to 1D speeds (a dubious proposition), it is still a higher noise technology than LBCAST, even after Canon's noise suppression system.
It looks like Nikon will probably take the lead for the next couple of camera generations.
No big deal.
Soon (next 6 months) we will probably see Canon 3D (or whatever it
will be called) Nikon D2X and replacement for the D100, so the
leapfrogging goes on.
In the meanwhile, smaller manufacturers are not sitting still.
Pentax *ist and Olympus E-1 will be out soon, Olympus has cheaper
version of the E-camera on the drawing board. And Fuji is probably
designing a successor to the S2 as we speak.
The DSLR revolution seems to be finally taking off, even though we
are not seeing much drop in prices or increase in resolution.
J.
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