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HappyVan said:
I am asking for positive evidence. We have provided positive evidence for DSLR. Surely, MILC has similar evidence if their AF is as good. Logical?

We have a number of MILC advocates here. Do none of them have that positive evidence? How then can they claim to be sure that MILC AF is as good as DSLR at the limit?
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Tell you what.

How about you post a sequence of AF shots from your DSLR......I can do the same from my A7 but I get to choose half the tests.

My sequence choices are A) using an AF point toward the edge of the sensor walking towards a subject and B) with the sun in the viewfinder.

Ok post those and I will do the same and then you can choose two sequences.
 
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Let's nor change the subject. ! started the thread because I am a shooter. We have some difficult captures. I am prepared to accept evidence that Sony AF is capable of doing the job. Show the evidence that this is so.

Otherwise, we need to be pragmatic and dig deep...

Can A7 do this?

My contribution is this; I agree that at this point in time mirrorless cameras are not the best tool for action photography but I disagree with your methods to get your point across. To each his own. -- Tom Look at the picture, not the pixels ------------ Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel...
www.dpreview.com www.dpreview.com

Don't be argumentative. Come back with the photos or some technical insights. We will all be grateful. :-)
 
HappyVan said:
Let's nor change the subject. ! started the thread because I am a shooter. We have some difficult captures. I am prepared to accept evidence that Sony AF is capable of doing the job. Show the evidence that this is so.

Otherwise, we need to be pragmatic and dig deep...

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56479717

Don't be argumentative. Come back with the photos or some technical insights. We will all be grateful. :-)
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And here was me thinking the subject was AF.

Ok you can admit your DSLR isn't as good for some AF tests as an A7 that's fine.

Again, DSLRs are great but so is an A7 and again, yes an A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
 
neil holmes said:
HappyVan said:
Let's nor change the subject. ! started the thread because I am a shooter. We have some difficult captures. I am prepared to accept evidence that Sony AF is capable of doing the job. Show the evidence that this is so.

Otherwise, we need to be pragmatic and dig deep...

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56479717

Don't be argumentative. Come back with the photos or some technical insights. We will all be grateful. :-)
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And here was me thinking the subject was AF.

Ok you can admit your DSLR isn't as good for some AF tests as an A7 that's fine.

Again, DSLRs are great but so is an A7 and again, yes an A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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poppycock no pics no proof

we can only assume the sony fan boys were too slow and now have been devoured by the wildlife
 
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HappyVan said:
I am asking for positive evidence. We have provided positive evidence for DSLR. Surely, MILC has similar evidence if their AF is as good. Logical?

We have a number of MILC advocates here. Do none of them have that positive evidence? How then can they claim to be sure that MILC AF is as good as DSLR at the limit?
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Pretty sure you're familiar with Don Parrot.
 
Martin.au said:
HappyVan said:
I am asking for positive evidence. We have provided positive evidence for DSLR. Surely, MILC has similar evidence if their AF is as good. Logical?

We have a number of MILC advocates here. Do none of them have that positive evidence? How then can they claim to be sure that MILC AF is as good as DSLR at the limit?
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Pretty sure you're familiar with Don Parrot.
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You're wasting your time. He is one of those fanboys who never get confused by facts.

Moti
 
Moti said:
Martin.au said:
HappyVan said:
I am asking for positive evidence. We have provided positive evidence for DSLR. Surely, MILC has similar evidence if their AF is as good. Logical?

We have a number of MILC advocates here. Do none of them have that positive evidence? How then can they claim to be sure that MILC AF is as good as DSLR at the limit?
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Pretty sure you're familiar with Don Parrot.
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You're wasting your time. He is one of those fanboys who never get confused by facts.

Moti
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And note not one was shot wideopen, but rather stoped down to even f6.3....Which means that the Panaleica, which is 100-400 (200-800) f4 to f6.3 will do this too...The same goes for the 300 mm F4 from Oly.

But you can already have 600 mm f5.6 with the Panny. Problem is that at that point IQ is not too good and if something is speady that lens can't keep up. The 100-400 will very likely since it is a DFD lens....with fast foucssing motors.

600 mm eq stoped down to f6.3..

600 mm eq stoped down to f6.3..



600 mm on EM-M1 at F3.2

600 mm on EM-M1 at F3.2


I think A6000 could do thistoo with its adapter for Sony lenses. Etc.
 
... before some people say things they will regret.

Too bad that some Sony fans are disappointed. Sony AF had made great strides. However, I don't think that wildlife photog will flock to Sony this year. We can only be HOPEFUL of the future.
 
neil holmes said:
AmbleYonder said:
Member said:
A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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poppycock no pics no proof

we can only assume the sony fan boys were too slow and now have been devoured by the wildlife
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Any time you wanna send me the fare to Africa I will be happy to oblige.

By the way, do you even own a camera?
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The last remark was uncalled for. Anyway, no one is sending a rookie to Africa.

Suggest you save up and join a workshop. Ask the leader what kind of gear to bring. He will also give you practical tips about the difficulty of lugging 20-30 pounds of gear onto an aircraft.
 
AmbleYonder said:
neil holmes said:
AmbleYonder said:
AmbleYonder said:
A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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poppycock no pics no proof

we can only assume the sony fan boys were too slow and now have been devoured by the wildlife
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Any time you wanna send me the fare to Africa I will be happy to oblige.
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if you can not provide equivalent pics then your response is just a mouse fart in the wind.
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Here are a couple of photos taken with a canon 7D and my Canon 135 f2 L and were part of sequences of more than 10 shots and probably 8 of them were out of focus for each.

Only when they got close did they come in focus.





Here is a shot from a sequence of about one of a goat with my second mirrorless system.



And here are a few an A7s.....the only moving shots of animals I have on hand.

Again, I have had sports shots in several newspapers from DSLRs and my A7 including Australia's national Greyhound Recorder paper (from a Pentax DSLR and 300 2.8 and other manual focus and auto focus lenses).......I am no sports shooter or wildlife shooter as my main interest though.









I don't happen to have any shots of a African Jackal since I live in Australia but again, I would have no problems using either a DSLR OR My A7 or an A7s at night even with a much faster shutter speed (even with a manual focus lens) than with any DSLR.

Now where are your photos? ....not that it would prove anything.......just as the OPs post was pure trolling.
 
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HappyVan said:
neil holmes said:
AmbleYonder said:
HappyVan said:
A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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poppycock no pics no proof

we can only assume the sony fan boys were too slow and now have been devoured by the wildlife
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Any time you wanna send me the fare to Africa I will be happy to oblige.

By the way, do you even own a camera?
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The last remark was uncalled for.
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Yes it was....I SHOULD have said...."by the way, have you ever USED a camera" (since I see no evidence he has)...and little that you have either for that matter.
HappyVan said:
Anyway, no one is sending a rookie to Africa.
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Who is a rookie?

My experience is a bit limited but hardly a rookie.

I have used only about 6 or 7 different brands of 35mm SLRs...several Pentax but also Canon, Olympus, Nikon and others (auto focus and manual focus....some double ups of mounts)....still have three, three different brands of DSLR (still own a couple), a couple of Sony mirrorless, a Pentax mirrorless, an Olympus mirrorless and a Panasonic mirrorless......and a Polaroid ILC rangefinder.

Many lenses including long and short......and over many years.

That is why I would be happy with my A7 or my A7s or a DSLR......because I have actually used them.
HappyVan said:
Suggest you save up and join a workshop.
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No thanks......not unless it was one I thought I would get value from.
HappyVan said:
Ask the leader what kind of gear to bring.
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I know what gear I would take....it would vary depending on where I was going.
HappyVan said:
He will also give you practical tips about the difficulty of lugging 20-30 pounds of gear onto an aircraft.
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Why would I want to take 20-30 pounds of gear......I would pick and choose what I want to take and make the appropriate arrangements.

My heaviest lens is about 5 pounds....I might be up for about 10- 15 pounds of gear at most.....it would get close to 20 if I included a tilt shift lens in my bag.
 
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neil holmes said:
HappyVan said:
neil holmes said:
AmbleYonder said:
Member said:
A7 CAN take a photo like the one in your opening post.

End of discussion.
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poppycock no pics no proof

we can only assume the sony fan boys were too slow and now have been devoured by the wildlife
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Any time you wanna send me the fare to Africa I will be happy to oblige.

By the way, do you even own a camera?
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The last remark was uncalled for.
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Yes it was....I SHOULD have said...."by the way, have you ever USED a camera" (since I see no evidence he has)...and little that you have either for that matter.
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Anyway, no one is sending a rookie to Africa.
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Who is a rookie?

My experience is a bit limited but hardly a rookie.
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HappyTroll is an expert at moving the goalposts.

No matter what your experience, it either won't be good enough or specific enough or he'll know someone who does it better yada yada yada. Or he'll change the criteria and move those goalposts. He's a very experienced troll, much more so than his photography.
 
HappyVan said:
Thom Hogan is back from Africa. Offers this live shot...

" Above we have two jackals fighting for territory in Nxai Pan. D7200 with 80-400mm."

http://bythom.com/

Equipment was not top of the line. In fact, the 80-400 is rather slow. Can a mirrorless system match that?
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The OP really IS just trolling since the only answer he will accept is no.....which of course is just plain wrong.
 
neil holmes said:
HappyVan said:
Thom Hogan is back from Africa. Offers this live shot...

" Above we have two jackals fighting for territory in Nxai Pan. D7200 with 80-400mm."

http://bythom.com/

Equipment was not top of the line. In fact, the 80-400 is rather slow. Can a mirrorless system match that?
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The OP really IS just trolling since the only answer he will accept is no.....which of course is just plain wrong.
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Actually, I have asked for photographs as proof that Sony AF can do the job. Is that unreasonable?

I will even accept the word of an experienced wildlife shooter. His gallery will speak volumes.

I am waiting. Perhaps, next year?
 
HappyVan said:
neil holmes said:
HappyVan said:
Thom Hogan is back from Africa. Offers this live shot...

" Above we have two jackals fighting for territory in Nxai Pan. D7200 with 80-400mm."

http://bythom.com/

Equipment was not top of the line. In fact, the 80-400 is rather slow. Can a mirrorless system match that?
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The OP really IS just trolling since the only answer he will accept is no.....which of course is just plain wrong.
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Actually, I have asked for photographs as proof that Sony AF can do the job. Is that unreasonable?

I will even accept the word of an experienced wildlife shooter. His gallery will speak volumes.

I am waiting. Perhaps, next year?
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There are photos in my previous post.

Maybe one day I could be bothered to take a photo of part of a bird in flight.

So, how about YOU post some photos from your A7.

I just don't get your thread at all other than as a troll post.

Brian Smith has won a Pulitzer for his Olympics coverage I think and had Sports Illustrated covers ETC ETC .....He shoots Sony now.
 
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neil holmes said:
There are photos in my previous post.

Maybe one day I could be bothered to take a photo of part of a bird in flight.
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Please come back when you do!!!!!
Member said:
So, how about YOU post some photos from your A7.

I just don't get your thread at all other than as a troll post.

Brian Smith has won a Pulitzer for his Olympics coverage I think and had Sports Illustrated covers ETC ETC .....He shoots Sony now.
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This is Brian Smith today. He does portraits and editorials. Very nice too.

http://briansmith.com/photography/
 
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