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hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
 
Nikon has 2 digital best sellers:
D1 and Coolpix series cameras.

I don't thing Nikon will compete on the Pro-summer SLR market.

The next coolpix will be based on the swivel model. (In my opinion) – not a SLR
The next D1 will be a better D1, so...

Olympus E-10 will be alone in the SLR pro-summer market with fixed lens and the Canon D30 will closely compete with the S1 on the pro-summer "not fixed" lens.

In my opinion the Sony D770 has more features than any camera sold currently for less than $3000, but it is restricted to only 1.4 megapixels.

If you mainly use your pictures for web of small print purposes (5x7), I would stick with the D770 for a year until those very expensive cameras reach the $1000 price.

That's what I'm doing now. My next digital camera (SLR) will need to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the best digicams for a price $1000-$1500

FRED
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Hi Francces,

I don't see your question as "flamebait" in any way. I have used a variety of film based cameras through the years (Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Leica) and have always felt that some people get so attached to a brand they miss what could be better.

I currently use a Nikon Coolpix 950 and am constantly amazed at just how good it is. I was introduced to digital photography with a Kodak and then borrowed a friends Olympus for a time.

I am quite impressed with what I have seen of the D30, but since I love my Nikon so much, I wait to see if they come up with something similar in the near future. Nikon has actively pursued this niche in the film based market for years and I can't imagine them not engaging it with a digital product.

Wonder what they may come up with?

Greg
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Fred,

"My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500"

Hope your not in any hurry!
FRED said:
I don't thing Nikon will compete on the Pro-summer SLR market.
The next coolpix will be based on the swivel model. (In my opinion)
– not a SLR
The next D1 will be a better D1, so...

Olympus E-10 will be alone in the SLR pro-summer market with fixed
lens and the Canon D30 will closely compete with the S1 on the
pro-summer "not fixed" lens.

In my opinion the Sony D770 has more features than any camera sold
currently for less than $3000, but it is restricted to only 1.4
megapixels.

If you mainly use your pictures for web of small print purposes
(5x7), I would stick with the D770 for a year until those very
expensive cameras reach the $1000 price.

That's what I'm doing now. My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500

FRED
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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I think you will find they already have, the Fuji S1Pro. Nikon and Fuji are now so close together I would not be surprised if some big fish has bought them both. Remember that the D1 exists because of cooling of relations Nikon/Kodak when Nikon wanted to market the Kodak F5 but Kodak refused. Nikon then developed and released the D1 at the low price point out of pure spite (must have taken a few yen out of the shareholder dividends).

Whilst Nikon have always competed in the digital market their real entry was the CP900 which was a bought in solution and dressed up in a new suit. However, I think the Fuji S1 is too poor a competitor and Nikon’s admitted strategy is to concentrate on the upper end professional digital market, where its traditional strengths lie.

I would say therefore that no competitor from Nikon may be forthcoming and more profession version CP, hinted at 18 months ago, just might make an appearance. However, we have always known what was coming from Nikon, the sudden and unannounced release of the CP880 seems to indicate a change of policy. Nikon were always playing catch-up and always tried to scuttle competition by announcing cameras that may have existed only on the drawing board.

The second last surprise Nikon pulled was releasing the CP990 with a much higher spec than that leaked to the public and were the first adopters of the then new 3.34MP class CCD. Last week we here of the release to manufacture of a new CMOS integrated image processor, watch Nikon’s next release; it will have it on board.

Best clue is to watch Nikon’s stock, if I have read their annual report right they took a loss last year, expected to be made up from manufactured stock in sales by 3Q 2000. That’s now so if they have made their targets then cash will be flowing again and things could move in a matter of weeks. Incidentally the CP sales seem to have kept Nikon actually alive. Would you credit that, the humble CoolPix brought more cash to the imaging section than anything else.
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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It's not flamebait.

Very legitimate question. Canon is pushing hard for dominance in this segment of the market. My guess is that they will win. I am by the way a Nikon ( and Leica, and hassie) user for 40 years, but an unbiased appraisal of the growth of Canon quality over the last 15 years and the obvious attempt on their part to produce better cameras than Nikon will tell you that they have been quite successful, especially at the prosumer level. The D30 would appear to be a better camera than the D1 judging from the reviews to date.

The real question is whether or not Nikon will want to fight it out for this particular market niche. If so, all the competition will produce some great cameras, I suspect.

dh
francces said:
BTW: how was my post flamebait?
Dave said:
Take your flamebait somewhere else!!!
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francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Just a few thoughts.

The next turn of the crank will be 6mp IMO. All of this assumes that Nikon will stay on the CCD track. Pentax, Contax have both annouced 6mp 35mm units that should be out mid 2001. Canon (they like to talk unlike Nikon) has mentioned several times a Pro Digial 6mp based on their excellent EOS 1V by middle of 2001. The Nikon D2 most likely will be 6mp and have all the features of the D1 and I am sure more, watch for a F6 also. Nikon has to make a choice if they are going to get in the the Canon D30 spot. Maybe they are going to take a watch and wait, but I think it will be something in the N90, F100 with a 3.34 mp chip. All the rumors are it will be shown in the Feb timeframe which means available in June. Now the issue, 3 mp really 6 months late so I am still wondering what Nikon will do, push a 6mp chip with alot less feature? of bring older tech out. This time last year the 3.34's were just starting to ship. Kodak should also follow the excellent 330 out with somthing but will they still have the Nikon relationship and now will Canon be so eager? One thing I know for sure, Nikon sells no camera before its time and they darn sure don't do much for the people who went ahead and bought one. I just don't see what is wrong with talking about going ahead and fixing something when the whole world knows it has a problem. I am still hoping to pick up a used 660 in about a year or so.

Take care.

francces wrote:
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Kevin17431 said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Ger Bee said:
Best clue is to watch Nikon’s stock, if I have read their
annual report right they took a loss last year, expected to be made
up from manufactured stock in sales by 3Q 2000. That’s now so
if they have made their targets then cash will be flowing again and
things could move in a matter of weeks. Incidentally the CP sales
seem to have kept Nikon actually alive. Would you credit that, the
humble CoolPix brought more cash to the imaging section than
anything else.
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All the more reason for Nikon to keep the heat on its own product development. The 990 is justly dimming against the light of new cameras, as is the D1, not for its design and performance but for its resolution. I think Nikon will have to upgrade the D1, make a better high end consumer camera AND build a competitive SLR for the advanced amateur market if they don't want to lose out to Canon. Nikon needs to continue to sell lenses and the D1 or its successor at a high price point isn't going to make a blip in sales volume.

It will be interesting to see if Nikon's in for the game. If not, I'll dump my F100, N80, all my Nikon lenses and strobes and jump into Canon's boat. Nikon may "target" the high end, but they don't get the volume of sales they need from the relatively tiny pro market. In film cameras, consumers can buy a pro camera and bask in the afterglow. In digital cameras, there's not much cache for consumers to buy high yet get less image performance...

I also hope Nikon has some CMOS development going on.

-BJ
 
Fred,

I concur with your position staked out in Paul's post below. The 3.34 MP 990, with optional lenses, features, etc., will have to do until we have something in the $1k - $1.5k range providing SLR capabilities with 6 MP resolution CCD. I suspect I may have to wait 2 - 3 years (not including any factor for inflation). That particular feature/price point may never arrive, but thats what I am holding out for in any event. With a 1270 (with the improved inks) and GF and the current 990 / accessories, we are already producing some pretty awesome images. I can wait for a while.

Ward
Paul Greenleaf said:
"My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500"

Hope your not in any hurry!
FRED said:
I don't thing Nikon will compete on the Pro-summer SLR market.
The next coolpix will be based on the swivel model. (In my opinion)
– not a SLR
The next D1 will be a better D1, so...

Olympus E-10 will be alone in the SLR pro-summer market with fixed
lens and the Canon D30 will closely compete with the S1 on the
pro-summer "not fixed" lens.

In my opinion the Sony D770 has more features than any camera sold
currently for less than $3000, but it is restricted to only 1.4
megapixels.

If you mainly use your pictures for web of small print purposes
(5x7), I would stick with the D770 for a year until those very
expensive cameras reach the $1000 price.

That's what I'm doing now. My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500

FRED
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Frances said:
bom
bwong
Tom
irishkev
Jeff
Dan S
Curious Brian

Thanks!!!!!

Frances.
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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I still have my Nikon coolpix 990. It allows any creative photographer to get amazing pictures in various situations.

For some people, including me, resolution is not "everything" in a digital camera. That's why I'm currently using the D770 for most of my shots.

I've learned everything I know about photography with my coolpix camera (I have no film experience), so it has a lot of sentimental value to me. On the other hand, once I experienced with a true SLR camera (d770), it's very hard to go back framing with the LCD. Nothing comes close to being able to manual zoom and focus using the camera's rings.

One thing that was really annoying me with my CP990 was having to add an adapter for wide angle, one for short telephoto, other for super telephoto and so on...

I know that it would be the same when using "not fixed lens" professional cameras, but at least they attach on the camera much faster and are “real lens”, not adapters.

The bottom line is: I will try waiting for at least 1 to 1.5 years until I upgrade my current digital camera. I love what's on the market right now, but can't justify the price since most of my photography is not for sale.

FRED
Ward Larson said:
I concur with your position staked out in Paul's post below. The
3.34 MP 990, with optional lenses, features, etc., will have to do
until we have something in the $1k - $1.5k range providing SLR
capabilities with 6 MP resolution CCD. I suspect I may have to
wait 2 - 3 years (not including any factor for inflation). That
particular feature/price point may never arrive, but thats what I
am holding out for in any event. With a 1270 (with the improved
inks) and GF and the current 990 / accessories, we are already
producing some pretty awesome images. I can wait for a while.

Ward
Paul Greenleaf said:
"My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500"

Hope your not in any hurry!
FRED said:
I don't thing Nikon will compete on the Pro-summer SLR market.
The next coolpix will be based on the swivel model. (In my opinion)
– not a SLR
The next D1 will be a better D1, so...

Olympus E-10 will be alone in the SLR pro-summer market with fixed
lens and the Canon D30 will closely compete with the S1 on the
pro-summer "not fixed" lens.

In my opinion the Sony D770 has more features than any camera sold
currently for less than $3000, but it is restricted to only 1.4
megapixels.

If you mainly use your pictures for web of small print purposes
(5x7), I would stick with the D770 for a year until those very
expensive cameras reach the $1000 price.

That's what I'm doing now. My next digital camera (SLR) will need
to have at least 6 megapixels and the same features offered by the
best digicams for a price $1000-$1500

FRED
francces said:
hmmnn...when the D1 came out, i liked it but it was
too expensive for my budget. the canon D30 is about
how much i could spend on a slr digicam. it is exactly
what i want.

i wonder what nikon's answer to the D30 would be.
canon definitely went for the kill with the D30. i wonder
if nikon has an answer. if not gimme a D30 please!
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Digital camera product lifecycles are going to have more in common with computer product lifecycles than those of film cameras. People will be drooling over 6 megapixel cameras before the credit card bill for the 3 megapixel camera they just bought is paid off. Just like the top of the line 550 mhz computer I bought not that long is hardly entry level now.

A company like Nikon that takes a more "methodical" approach to their product development may lose some of the lower end market share to others who have adapted to this quicker pace.

Having said that, I would like to see Nikon expend a fair amount of their development effort into the hardware that goes around the 6 megapixel (or higher) CCD. Those 6 MP make for huge file sizes and all those bytes have to be processed and handed off to whatever storage medium is chosen. Faster memory and more processing power will make for a camera that is more useful in a setting outside of a studio (photojournalism, wildlife photography etc.)

Does that add up to two cents?

Dan
 
Becareful what you wish for !!!

:)))

is that Mr Canon?


Dan McClelland said:
Digital camera product lifecycles are going to have more in common
with computer product lifecycles than those of film cameras.
People will be drooling over 6 megapixel cameras before the credit
card bill for the 3 megapixel camera they just bought is paid off.
Just like the top of the line 550 mhz computer I bought not that
long is hardly entry level now.

A company like Nikon that takes a more "methodical" approach to
their product development may lose some of the lower end market
share to others who have adapted to this quicker pace.

Having said that, I would like to see Nikon expend a fair amount
of their development effort into the hardware that goes around the
6 megapixel (or higher) CCD. Those 6 MP make for huge file sizes
and all those bytes have to be processed and handed off to whatever
storage medium is chosen. Faster memory and more processing power
will make for a camera that is more useful in a setting outside of
a studio (photojournalism, wildlife photography etc.)

Does that add up to two cents?

Dan
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Hi,
FRED said:
In my opinion the Sony D770 has more features than any camera sold
currently for less than $3000, but it is restricted to only 1.4
megapixels.
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Not really. Check out the Kodak DCS315 - at around USD1500, you get the camera with a free 24-70mm Nikon IX lens and at a resolution of 1.5MP. The D770 has a non-interchangeable lens as compared with the Kodak DCS315.
 
Frances, I thought your tombstones would read the names of the previous digital cameras you've owned along the way to your present one - in keeping with the this string's theme.

How many of us already have a sizeable digital graveyard?

A 550 mhz computer, an Oly 2000-C, etc.
Frances-@loh@ said:
:)))

is that Mr Canon?


Dan McClelland said:
Digital camera product lifecycles are going to have more in common
with computer product lifecycles than those of film cameras.
People will be drooling over 6 megapixel cameras before the credit
card bill for the 3 megapixel camera they just bought is paid off.
Just like the top of the line 550 mhz computer I bought not that
long is hardly entry level now.

A company like Nikon that takes a more "methodical" approach to
their product development may lose some of the lower end market
share to others who have adapted to this quicker pace.

Having said that, I would like to see Nikon expend a fair amount
of their development effort into the hardware that goes around the
6 megapixel (or higher) CCD. Those 6 MP make for huge file sizes
and all those bytes have to be processed and handed off to whatever
storage medium is chosen. Faster memory and more processing power
will make for a camera that is more useful in a setting outside of
a studio (photojournalism, wildlife photography etc.)

Does that add up to two cents?

Dan
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