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TN Args said:
TN Args said:
You remind me of that story about the rich guy who offered to give a poor guy $1m, but the poor guy said he wasn't quite sure that the rich guy's motivations were pure enough. So, the rich guy turned to the next poor guy and offered him the $1m. The second guy took it and had a wonderful, long, happy life while the first guy was still eating out of garbage cans, crapping in the street, and dying early. :-)
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Actually, based on case studies of lottery winners, the second guy would squander it within a few short years or less, be utterly distraught, all self belief shattered forever, and live in greater misery than he ever believed possible. The first guy, meanwhile, lives by principles and is much the richer for it.
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I am not so sure how many people are really happy "eating out of garbage cans, crapping in the street, and dying early." It is an awful existence.

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Seven79 said:
Hmm...I'm kind of in the same boat. Finally decided on Omd em10 II, just got it Sunday, sitting here looking at it with the plastic 45-150 on it, haha, wondering what they will do. I have a little time to wait and see. I don't want some big hassle, I'd rather just return and wait for a new batch instead of sending it to olympus for repair. I guess I could just get the 75-300 I want, lol. Sorry honey, I HAVE to get that new lens.
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Out of my 6 lenses, that is also they only one with a plastic mount. Can you put it in, and look if you see any discernible play that might allow it to fall? Not forcing it, of course, but I don't know, trying to rotate back the lens without pushing the lens release button, and see if it moves?

I mean, can you actually confirm that there is a flaw in the lens mount?

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Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
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Jorginho said:
Okey: some mistakes are more dreadfull than others. But in this case: well done Olympus! Simply admit and resolve!
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There must be more to this than we know. I smell a rat...

This is totally so 'un-Olympus' I mean, how come they still have their heads buried in the sand with previous catastrophic failures like strap lugs falling off and burnt evf's?

Nothing could be worse than a detatched strap lug...

Not to mention the slightly less catastrophic dial failures...

Call me very skeptical.
 
SidSnot said:
Jorginho said:
Okey: some mistakes are more dreadfull than others. But in this case: well done Olympus! Simply admit and resolve!
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There must be more to this than we know. I smell a rat...

This is totally so 'un-Olympus' I mean, how come they still have their heads buried in the sand with previous catastrophic failures like strap lugs falling off and burnt evf's?

Nothing could be worse than a detatched strap lug...

Not to mention the slightly less catastrophic dial failures...

Call me very skeptical.
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What really feels fishy is that no one, expect the Olympus link we've all seen, is acknowledging the flaw. Do you think it can be something else? Getolympus put the camera in backorder, but that might just be a precaution.
 
Peter Del said:
according to

http://www.43rumors.com/

As I read it, something to do with the lens locking pin.

Peter Del
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A Japan only issue. From the latest batch. Unlikely, but will explain why nobody else have stopped selling the camera.

It will also explain why someone on m43 Rumors site comment section said he have the Mk II with two plastic mount lenses, and they feel just right.

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Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
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Helen said:
apathyman said:
What I find difficult to understand is what is different about the E-M10 ii mount compared with other OM-D/Pen cameras. Why would they need to tool up something different to what they had been previously manufacturing and which hadn't caused problems.

Cheers

Brian
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Yes, I wondered that as well. I'm guessing that, depending on what the issue is, it could be the casting of the locking pin, the spring for it, or the bayonet itself (or the springs for its three claws) - but why change any of them from previous models?
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The previous model(s) were terribly tight.

It appears they attempted to rework the lens mount thereby creating a new issue.

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It's readily available in the U.S. as I type this.
 
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I don't know about anyone else's E-M10II, but these are the metal mount lenses I have used in the last few days. The mount tightness seems pretty much exactly the same as my E-M10 when it was new. By the way, when I say normal that is based on using a bunch of ILCs of various brands going back more than 40 years. My 45mm f1.8 is probably the tightest on all 3 of my Olympus bodies.

E-M10II:

25mm f1.8 - somewhat tight
45mm f1.8 - tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - somewhat tight
14-150mm - somewhat tight

E-M10 (put a bit of nose oil on it awhile back):

25mm f1.8 - slightly tight
45mm f1.8 - somewhat tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - slightly tight
14-150mm - slightly tight

E-M5:

25mm f1.8 - slightly tight
45mm f1.8 - slightly tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - slightly tight
14-150mm - slightly tight

I will put a bit of nose oil on my E-M10II mount too.

Order of tightness:

1 - tight

2 - somewhat tight

3 - slightly tight

4 - normal
 
Ok, I got to playing with this a bit tonight. Here's what I'm seeing on mine. My lenses with the metal mounts are very tight, and seem to rub quite a bit while going on. They have a pleasing click once in place. When I put my 40-150 on it, it does not rub like the metal ones, it glides very easily and smoothly into place, but I don't get the same click to show that it is locked into place like I do with the metal ones. I get a sound, but not that same click that I am used to. I do not still have my EM5 so I can't compare. Wish I did. I notice no difference when trying to gently move the lenses from side to side. I'm not getting any movement with the metal mounts or the plastic mounts. Can anyone see if this is similar on the omd em10?
 
Seven79 said:
Ok, I got to playing with this a bit tonight. Here's what I'm seeing on mine. My lenses with the metal mounts are very tight, and seem to rub quite a bit while going on. They have a pleasing click once in place. When I put my 40-150 on it, it does not rub like the metal ones, it glides very easily and smoothly into place, but I don't get the same click to show that it is locked into place like I do with the metal ones. I get a sound, but not that same click that I am used to. I do not still have my EM5 so I can't compare. Wish I did. I notice no difference when trying to gently move the lenses from side to side. I'm not getting any movement with the metal mounts or the plastic mounts. Can anyone see if this is similar on the omd em10?
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I just did exactly the same test on my Mark I, and indeed the 40-150mm doesn't click into place like the metal ones. It does sound, but is a muted click. And I also used nose oil on most of them, sans the 20mm 1.7, which mounted softly with almost no rubbing.

So, it might turn to be a bad batch from Japan. Really hope is that, and the ones currently on the stores and already sold are Ok.

--
Martin
"One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it" - Galen Rowell
 
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With one exception, I haven't found any unacceptable tightness in the mount on my E-M10 using a range of lenses and adapters. The exception is my Fotga extension tubes which are a struggle to get off the camera, but that seems more of a problem with the tubes rather than the camera's mount.

Cheers

Brian
 
apathyman said:
With one exception, I haven't found any unacceptable tightness in the mount on my E-M10 using a range of lenses and adapters. The exception is my Fotga extension tubes which are a struggle to get off the camera, but that seems more of a problem with the tubes rather than the camera's mount.
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My E-M10II, E-M10, and E-M5 are all within the realm of acceptability for me. If any of them required me to struggle like you are doing then they or the lens would have gone back.

So far, I have found nothing wrong with my E-M10II and I like it a lot. That electronic shutter is really something. I don't need something so quiet, but it is addicting to have a totally silent camera and knowing there is no mechanical shutter wear and tear. The quietest camera I ever had was an Olympus XA rangefinder (still have it) with an amazingly quiet in-lens shutter. So quiet I often couldn't hear it and the shutter button had such a small amount of almost immeasurable travel that I often wasn't sure if I actually took a photo. With the E-M10II and the electronic shutter though there is an indication in the EVF when a photo is taken.

The worst thing I can say about my silver one is what I have already posted about. The top of mode dial is now a shiny silver and it is much smaller than before so it is harder to see. Especially outside.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56441954

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Henry Richardson
http://www.bakubo.com
 
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Henry Richardson said:
apathyman said:
With one exception, I haven't found any unacceptable tightness in the mount on my E-M10 using a range of lenses and adapters. The exception is my Fotga extension tubes which are a struggle to get off the camera, but that seems more of a problem with the tubes rather than the camera's mount.
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My E-M10II, E-M10, and E-M5 are all within the realm of acceptability for me. If any of them required me to struggle like you are doing then they or the lens would have gone back.

So far, I have found nothing wrong with my E-M10II and I like it a lot. That electronic shutter is really something. I don't need something so quiet, but it is addicting to have a totally silent camera and knowing there is no mechanical shutter wear and tear. The quietest camera I ever had was an Olympus XA rangefinder (still have it) with an amazingly quiet in-lens shutter. So quiet I often couldn't hear it and the shutter button had such a small amount of almost immeasurable travel that I often wasn't sure if I actually took a photo. With the E-M10II and the electronic shutter though there is an indication in the EVF when a photo is taken.

The worst thing I can say about my silver one is what I have already posted about. The top of mode dial is now a shiny silver and it is much smaller than before so it is harder to see. Especially outside.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56441954
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Henry Richardson said:
apathyman said:
With one exception, I haven't found any unacceptable tightness in the mount on my E-M10 using a range of lenses and adapters. The exception is my Fotga extension tubes which are a struggle to get off the camera, but that seems more of a problem with the tubes rather than the camera's mount.
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My E-M10II, E-M10, and E-M5 are all within the realm of acceptability for me. If any of them required me to struggle like you are doing then they or the lens would have gone back.
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Well, the tubes were cheap and they come off the camera OK when still attached to a lens. It's only a struggle if I take them off by themselves. It's not a big deal.

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So far, I have found nothing wrong with my E-M10II and I like it a lot. That electronic shutter is really something. I don't need something so quiet, but it is addicting to have a totally silent camera and knowing there is no mechanical shutter wear and tear. The quietest camera I ever had was an Olympus XA rangefinder (still have it) with an amazingly quiet in-lens shutter. So quiet I often couldn't hear it and the shutter button had such a small amount of almost immeasurable travel that I often wasn't sure if I actually took a photo. With the E-M10II and the electronic shutter though there is an indication in the EVF when a photo is taken.

The worst thing I can say about my silver one is what I have already posted about. The top of mode dial is now a shiny silver and it is much smaller than before so it is harder to see. Especially outside.
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I appreciate your feedback on the E-M10ii. It's definitely on my radar for later in the year.

Cheers

Brian
 
Laslo Varadi said:
Same here. I have the 75-300 and 14-150 and both have metal mounts. Not to excuse Olympus or to asy its not a problem, but I avoid plastic mounts.
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Seven79 said:
Hmm...I'm kind of in the same boat. Finally decided on Omd em10 II, just got it Sunday, sitting here looking at it with the plastic 45-150 on it, haha, wondering what they will do. I have a little time to wait and see. I don't want some big hassle, I'd rather just return and wait for a new batch instead of sending it to olympus for repair. I guess I could just get the 75-300 I want, lol. Sorry honey, I HAVE to get that new lens.
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You can try a little duct tape, just to be sure.
 
Martin Ocando said:
Seven79 said:
Ok, I got to playing with this a bit tonight. Here's what I'm seeing on mine. My lenses with the metal mounts are very tight, and seem to rub quite a bit while going on. They have a pleasing click once in place. When I put my 40-150 on it, it does not rub like the metal ones, it glides very easily and smoothly into place, but I don't get the same click to show that it is locked into place like I do with the metal ones. I get a sound, but not that same click that I am used to. I do not still have my EM5 so I can't compare. Wish I did. I notice no difference when trying to gently move the lenses from side to side. I'm not getting any movement with the metal mounts or the plastic mounts. Can anyone see if this is similar on the omd em10?
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I just did exactly the same test on my Mark I, and indeed the 40-150mm doesn't click into place like the metal ones. It does sound, but is a muted click. And I also used nose oil on most of them, sans the 20mm 1.7, which mounted softly with almost no rubbing.

So, it might turn to be a bad batch from Japan. Really hope is that, and the ones currently on the stores and already sold are Ok.
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apathyman said:
Well, the tubes were cheap and they come off the camera OK when still attached to a lens. It's only a struggle if I take them off by themselves. It's not a big deal.
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Back in the early '70s I had some inexpensive M42 mount (aka Pentax screw mount) extension tubes from Spiratone. They worked well and had no problems, but they weren't as refined as more expensive ones. I get where you are coming from. As long as your tubes don't get stuck on the camera or cause damage then I wouldn't be concerned either.
apathyman said:
I appreciate your feedback on the E-M10ii. It's definitely on my radar for later in the year.
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I really like this new camera. It is cool to see how Olympus has done a good job of refining the OM-D models since the E-M5 came out. Happy with mine.
 
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Henry Richardson said:
I don't know about anyone else's E-M10II, but these are the metal mount lenses I have used in the last few days. The mount tightness seems pretty much exactly the same as my E-M10 when it was new. By the way, when I say normal that is based on using a bunch of ILCs of various brands going back more than 40 years. My 45mm f1.8 is probably the tightest on all 3 of my Olympus bodies.

E-M10II:

25mm f1.8 - somewhat tight
45mm f1.8 - tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - somewhat tight
14-150mm - somewhat tight

E-M10 (put a bit of nose oil on it awhile back):

25mm f1.8 - slightly tight
45mm f1.8 - somewhat tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - slightly tight
14-150mm - slightly tight

E-M5:

25mm f1.8 - slightly tight
45mm f1.8 - slightly tight
20mm f1.7 - normal
14-42mm EZ - slightly tight
14-150mm - slightly tight

I will put a bit of nose oil on my E-M10II mount too.

Order of tightness:

1 - tight

2 - somewhat tight

3 - slightly tight

4 - normal

Henry Richardson
http://www.bakubo.com
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This afternoon I used a little nose oil on the E-M10II mount and now the tightest lens (45mm f1.8) goes on and off easier -- like my E-M10.
 
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