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Will Canon make a compact superzoom with a 1" sensor?

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Helmut Eder said:
Well according to the ebay seller there was warranty through them.
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There lies the problem, you must return it by expensive postage and often they will do nothing then charge you postage to return it. When my SX260 bought from Hong Kong broke down it wasn't worth attempting to get it repaired. Having said all that which might also vary depending on the seller, I now consider these cameras to be throw away items, so I would consider buying from Hong Kong again to get a casio EX100, as it is the only existing camera that gets close to my requirement, and I also live in Australia so internet buying is the only option for me also.

Brian
 
jonrobertp said:
RedFox88 said:
On 5 years I see Canon making only a G1 X, G3 X, G5 X, and G7 X. All others p&s cameras discontinued. Only high end cameras will be left because people's phones are their p&s camera that is connected. Far less complicated for people to ditch a separate camera. Hence enthusiasts buying the expensive G series.
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1.7 sensors will no longer be around in 4 yrs.

no future. Unless some cheapie semi-junk company tries to make that work.
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Then there will be a massive gap in the model range for those that want small superzoom cameras. Considering phones have no zoom, they certainly don't fill the gap, so there is a huge opportunity for traditional camera makers to plug the model gap with a small 1/1.7 size superzoom model.

It is absurd to think that a G3X fills this niche.

Brian
 
Well, after I bought mine, two friends of mine also bought it from the same company (because they were quite impressed by what it could do). Now all 3 of us are happily using the EX-100. I've had mine for about half a year and am finding it quite robust. I accidentally left it out in the light rain one day for about 1/2 an hour - worked fine (thank goodness)! Also accidentally dropped it on the ground once - again no problems. Was kicking myself both times!
 
Wellington100 said:
My SX 240 and Fuji F900 have been my companion for a few years and if Canon made a compact superzoom with say a 24-240 or 24-360 lens, I would be very tempted.

To me compact superzooms are perfect cameras for people who want to carry a camera all day every day like I do.
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brianj said:
jonrobertp said:
RedFox88 said:
On 5 years I see Canon making only a G1 X, G3 X, G5 X, and G7 X. All others p&s cameras discontinued. Only high end cameras will be left because people's phones are their p&s camera that is connected. Far less complicated for people to ditch a separate camera. Hence enthusiasts buying the expensive G series.
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1.7 sensors will no longer be around in 4 yrs.

no future. Unless some cheapie semi-junk company tries to make that work.
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Then there will be a massive gap in the model range for those that want small superzoom cameras. Considering phones have no zoom, they certainly don't fill the gap, so there is a huge opportunity for traditional camera makers to plug the model gap with a small 1/1.7 size superzoom model.

It is absurd to think that a G3X fills this niche.

Brian
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The G3 X focal range is certainly a super zoom. 600mm EFL. It's a 25x zoom. Remember, 10x is a super zoom. Photos from from G3 X cropped (and probably digitally enlarged ) will provide better photos than a 80x zoom from a 1/2.3" p&s.
 
RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:
jonrobertp said:
RedFox88 said:
On 5 years I see Canon making only a G1 X, G3 X, G5 X, and G7 X. All others p&s cameras discontinued. Only high end cameras will be left because people's phones are their p&s camera that is connected. Far less complicated for people to ditch a separate camera. Hence enthusiasts buying the expensive G series.
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1.7 sensors will no longer be around in 4 yrs.

no future. Unless some cheapie semi-junk company tries to make that work.
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Then there will be a massive gap in the model range for those that want small superzoom cameras. Considering phones have no zoom, they certainly don't fill the gap, so there is a huge opportunity for traditional camera makers to plug the model gap with a small 1/1.7 size superzoom model.

It is absurd to think that a G3X fills this niche.

Brian
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The G3 X focal range is certainly a super zoom. 600mm EFL. It's a 25x zoom. Remember, 10x is a super zoom. Photos from from G3 X cropped (and probably digitally enlarged ) will provide better photos than a 80x zoom from a 1/2.3" p&s.
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I agree with your point, but for many of us its not about achieving greater IQ, we already have more than we need for small prints from the 12mp 1/2.3, although the more recent 16 and 20mp models have become borderline. What its really about is portability, and that is where the G3X lacks. My point throughout this thread is that the best compromise of size and zoom could be achieved using the old 1/1.7 size sensor which is probably why the manufacturers settled on this size in the past. Sony has now upset the apple cart by forcing competitors to use the 1" size and now we have lost either portability or zoom range, we cannot have both anymore.

Brian
 
brianj said:
Its amusing that canon actually calls that huge thing compact.

Brian
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I have seen the Canon G3X, and played with it for 15 minutes in the shop. I quite like it. Maybe the focusing at the far end could be improved a bit. It is nowhere as big as the Panasonic FZ1000.

You are thinking pocket travel zooms. With a 1"sensor, you might get that with a 35mm fixed focus lens. With a 24-600mm lens, the G3X is as good as it gets.

Henry
 
brianj said:
RedFox88 said:
brianj said:
jonrobertp said:
RedFox88 said:
On 5 years I see Canon making only a G1 X, G3 X, G5 X, and G7 X. All others p&s cameras discontinued. Only high end cameras will be left because people's phones are their p&s camera that is connected. Far less complicated for people to ditch a separate camera. Hence enthusiasts buying the expensive G series.
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1.7 sensors will no longer be around in 4 yrs.

no future. Unless some cheapie semi-junk company tries to make that work.
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Then there will be a massive gap in the model range for those that want small superzoom cameras. Considering phones have no zoom, they certainly don't fill the gap, so there is a huge opportunity for traditional camera makers to plug the model gap with a small 1/1.7 size superzoom model.

It is absurd to think that a G3X fills this niche.

Brian
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The G3 X focal range is certainly a super zoom. 600mm EFL. It's a 25x zoom. Remember, 10x is a super zoom. Photos from from G3 X cropped (and probably digitally enlarged ) will provide better photos than a 80x zoom from a 1/2.3" p&s.
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I agree with your point, but for many of us its not about achieving greater IQ, we already have more than we need for small prints from the 12mp 1/2.3, although the more recent 16 and 20mp models have become borderline. What its really about is portability, and that is where the G3X lacks. My point throughout this thread is that the best compromise of size and zoom could be achieved using the old 1/1.7 size sensor which is probably why the manufacturers settled on this size in the past. Sony has now upset the apple cart by forcing competitors to use the 1" size and now we have lost either portability or zoom range, we cannot have both anymore.

Brian
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You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).

Helmut
 
Helmut Eder said:
You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).
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Helmut, I am not up on all the digicams, but the Olympus Stylus 1s has a 1/1.7" BSI sensor (probably the Sony sensor like in the G16) with a 28-300mm f2.8 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_stylus1s

There may be others too, but I haven't checked.
 
Henry Richardson said:
Helmut Eder said:
You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).
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Helmut, I am not up on all the digicams, but the Olympus Stylus 1s has a 1/1.7" BSI sensor (probably the Sony sensor like in the G16) with a 28-300mm f2.8 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_stylus1s

There may be others too, but I haven't checked.
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Henry Richardson said:
Helmut Eder said:
You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).
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Helmut, I am not up on all the digicams, but the Olympus Stylus 1s has a 1/1.7" BSI sensor (probably the Sony sensor like in the G16) with a 28-300mm f2.8 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_stylus1s

There may be others too, but I haven't checked.
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brianj said:
Henry Richardson said:
Helmut Eder said:
You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).
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Helmut, I am not up on all the digicams, but the Olympus Stylus 1s has a 1/1.7" BSI sensor (probably the Sony sensor like in the G16) with a 28-300mm f2.8 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_stylus1s

There may be others too, but I haven't checked.

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Henry Richardson
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But that Stylus isn't even one, it starts at 28mm, why settle for such a compromise when many of us have had 24mm for years. I currently use the pocket size ELPH330 with 24-240mm and 1/2.3 sensor, what I would need as an upgrade is at least the same range but a 1/1.7 sensor.

A search for such a camera gives zero results.

Brian
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I'd prefer a 1/1.7" sensor but if they gave the 12mp 1/2.3" sensor a fast lens with a range of 24-300mm I'd be interested.
 
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arrow501 said:
brianj said:
Henry Richardson said:
Helmut Eder said:
You're totally right Brian - when I upgraded from my Panasonic TZ40 to my Casio EX-100 (so going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7) the change is massive. I think there's a bigger jump in IQ going from 1/2.3 to 1/1.7 than for going from 1/1.7 to 1". So totally concur and if they come out with a new 24-240 or 24-300 camera with a 1/1.7 sensor, I'll be very tempted to get that instead of the current EX-100 (which I'm very happy with).
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Helmut, I am not up on all the digicams, but the Olympus Stylus 1s has a 1/1.7" BSI sensor (probably the Sony sensor like in the G16) with a 28-300mm f2.8 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_stylus1s

There may be others too, but I haven't checked.
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brianj said:
Wellington100 said:
My SX 240 and Fuji F900 have been my companion for a few years and if Canon made a compact superzoom with say a 24-240 or 24-360 lens, I would be very tempted.

To me compact superzooms are perfect cameras for people who want to carry a camera all day every day like I do.
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Helmut Eder said:
Wellington100 said:
brianj said:
Wellington100 said:
My SX 240 and Fuji F900 have been my companion for a few years and if Canon made a compact superzoom with say a 24-240 or 24-360 lens, I would be very tempted.

To me compact superzooms are perfect cameras for people who want to carry a camera all day every day like I do.

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Fuji: XQ1, F900, S1
Panasonic: LX7, GF5, GM1 with 7-14mm, 9mm, 14mm, 20mm, 45mm, 45-150mm
Canon: SX240
Ricoh: GR
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There seems to be a lot of differing opinions of what the word 'compact' means. When I read your message, I immediately think of a G7X or S120 with twice the zoom of the current models.

I would snap up a S120 with 24-240mm zoom, but I suspect a G7X with the same zoom would be too large to carry everywhere.

Brian
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Like you, my idea of a compact superzoom are the sorts of cameras we have been carrying around for a while such as my SX240.

I don't think that say a 10X superzoom lens for a 1" will be all that much bigger than we are used to. Look at the large aperture lenses for RX100's when compared to say a LX7, sure they are bigger but not that much bigger. The lens for the superzoom sacrifices quite a lot of aperture which is where the girth really comes in and it will need to be a bit longer but not that much longer. I don't think a 10X zoom on a 1" sensor will be much bigger if at all than a 30X or 40X lens that we get now on smaller sensor cameras.

The G7X is as big as I would want my compact superzoom to be, if the lens sticks out a bit more, I would not mind.

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Fuji: XQ1, F900, S1
Panasonic: LX7, GF5, GM1 with 7-14mm, 9mm, 14mm, 20mm, 45mm, 45-150mm
Canon: SX240
Ricoh: GR
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Look at the 24-200 RX10. "Only" 8x zoom with a pretty bright lens (flat F2.8) and 1" sensor. It's huge! Then look at the Casio EX-100 or Olympus Stylus 1 - 28-300 (11x) zoom also a flat F2.8 bright lens and MUCH more compact due to the 1/1.7" sensor.
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Their portability is great, provided you're ok with the loss of dynamic range and low light performance.
 
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