5d, a mini digital back

Of course, I also have a D200 which (with its beautiful CCD sensor) is my DX version of a digital back. ;-)

fPrime
Besides that the D200 does have a 4-channel readout 10 MP DX CCD sensor, the D80 does have only 2-channel, and 3fps compared to 5fps of the D200, the IQ from both is the same - and i do love the color rendering of my D80...more then my D90 & D7000. ;)

Marc
 
This thread making me to feel happy that i still have my 5Dc, i was thinking to sell it long time ago, but the internal mirror detached so i canceled the idea to sell it, but i can't repair it for free or low price in my country, so this camera will remain un-used forever maybe.
Do you have a Canon Service Partner at your country? Canon is fixing the Mirror issue for free, it doesn't matter how old your 5Dc is, but it'll stop doing so on 30.9.2015 now.
No we don't have, if so then i will send it, but i think i don't want to take this risk to send and they ask for recharge to repair it or even to pay for just checking it out to quote about it.
 
This thread making me to feel happy that i still have my 5Dc, i was thinking to sell it long time ago, but the internal mirror detached so i canceled the idea to sell it, but i can't repair it for free or low price in my country, so this camera will remain un-used forever maybe.
Do you have a Canon Service Partner at your country? Canon is fixing the Mirror issue for free, it doesn't matter how old your 5Dc is, but it'll stop doing so on 30.9.2015 now.
No we don't have, if so then i will send it, but i think i don't want to take this risk to send and they ask for recharge to repair it or even to pay for just checking it out to quote about it.
That's sad. But Canon made a statement about that, and 'til the end of september, next month, they'll fix the mirror issue onto the 5Dc for free.
 
My far superior D700 with far superior lens, both at 12mp resolution, is absolutely mushy in comparison.
The mushy look at pixel level is something that i experienced with a lot of new camera's. The 7dII for example, or the 5ds/r for that matter. They look somehow digitally upprezzed leaving an unpleasant mush of details. Like if i used an enlargement plugin in PS and added some gaussian noise to it. There are a few bodies that don't have this. I think this has to do with pixel size and distance in between.
 
If you'll ever need more megapixels, but with good or even better colour and feel to the files try the great Sony a900/850 :)
 
I mean, it seems great. Would it to be to much to ask for someone to post some samples?
 
If you'll ever need more megapixels, but with good or even better colour and feel to the files try the great Sony a900/850 :)
Exactly, but with the A900/A850 i wouldn't go >800 max. I'd guess the A900 does have had the biggest OVF into DSLR History, have seen through it into a Camera Store years ago, when the A900 was new - just wow! :)
 
The 5d classics are going at an amazing price: $300-400 now. Best to grab some now while they're around. Canon won't be servicing them any more after this year though.
Just right, mine went for about 280 bucks only, and 95% mint condition, besides the shutter count. Only at the bottom you can see that the Body isn't new.
 
Hi,

Not that my opinion really matters, just thought I'd share my 5d 1 experience.

I'm a fashion shooter (currently retired). Been shooting Nikon (mostly D700, a bit D800), and have shot with 4 different digital backs, ranging from the 22mp generation to the higher end 39 and 40mp backs, P40+ and P45+.

I've always believed some cameras have earned the reputation of "magical" for a reason.

I mean, it can't be some sort of collective illusion.

If a giant number of people are seeing something special, to the point of labeling it as "magic", there must be something special going on.

My D200 and my 22mp Leaf Aptus are solid examples of this. Both are referenced as "magic", and yes, both have a very special rendering.

Recently, a friend of mine has bought the original 5d. Needless to say, it's regarded as magic for many years at Canon land.

I borrowed it and ran some tests.

Bottom line:

It was obvious from the start why it has such a high reputation.

Colors are AMAZING without any pp.

I shot it with a cheapo 50mm 1.8 at f8 - 11, and I'll make a bold statement now:

Having extensively shot with 4 different digital backs, I can safely say: it has a digital back IQ, specially at the pixel level sharpness and micro contrast.

With good technique, optimal lens aperture and ISO 50 or 100, it has exactly the same sharpness I get from my Leaf Aptus back.

It just made me envy. :)

My far superior D700 with far superior lens, both at 12mp resolution, is absolutely mushy in comparison.

As soon as I saw the 5d results, it was like seeing a 12mp digital back file.

Of course, it doesn't stand a change on shadow lifting or High ISO compared to modern cameras, but at sheer sharpness alone, I'd rank it far, far above any of my Nikon gear (including D800), and right there with digital backs.

There you go.

I does have flaws, like terrible banding on deep shadows, and lots of shadow noise by today's standards.

But if you're shooting on controlled lighting like me, that's not really a problem.

I wish I've shot with the 5d for the past 7 years, instead of my D700 (or even my D800).

Kudos for Canon

Regards,

Marcio Napoli
Greetings Marcio,

You don't know how right you are. I'm truly a Nikon Fan, love their DSLR Bodies, Menu Style, haptics & design very much - more than every other Brand. But here's the thing...which got me to the 5D years ago - i always wanted it, back in time when i've read the 5D Reviews onto the web, especially here on dpreview...i was envy...but really couldn't afford it...and i thought...well, someday....then in 2007 the great D700 came out...and i was set...it was 3 years "younger", ahead in time...technically the much better body...but then...i've seen comparsions with the now "old" 5D - and what? The 5D pictures turned out sharper...especially landscape photography...i personally didn't want to jump onto the Canon bandwaggon, because i really dislike(d) the haptics, feeling from the Canon DSLR bodies, for instance the Canon feature "Thumbwheel" instead of just a ordinary, 2nd dial on the back of the DSLR...i hardly get used to that - but now it is somehow okay after all these years...i have had a 30D for years, and the user experience isn't different to the 5D...which is even a little older than the 30D...so into the End, i went with the nice Tamron 28-75/2.8 and the 5D...and later then the 24-105 L, too....i'm scheduling the all-new Tamron SP 35/1.8 VC USD somewhere into 2016...because i do like primes much more than Zooms, but in todays life situations, a Zoom for versatility often comes in quite handy, even it doesn't give you the same IQ like a prime lens. Perhaps the weak AA filter onto the 5D explains the great microcontrast & sharpness, i'd say...especially compared to other DSLRs, like the D700. The "grain" also looks quite nice onto the 5D, it means the noise at higher ISOs, for the same reason i do like old CCD-based Nikon DSLR, think D80 for example.

regards,

Marc
 
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Hi fPrime,

Just noticed your post!

Agree on every single word you've said.

Different eras, different pixel counts, different CFA strengh = very different results.

On a side note, one camera I'm sure you'd also love is the Nikon D1X, fPrime.

Simply AMAZING color output (maybe a touch better than the D200).

But you see, the megapixel trend is infinite, it seems.

36 to 50 mp to who knows? 80, 100, 120 mp? On a tiny 35mm frame?

Where do people think the compromises are being made?

No matter what, every new high mp monster we get, people come out with all sorts of defenses for an endless amount of pixels, which in real life, mean so little.

And for those that are not seeking specs, there we have it: color blind cameras.

Best regards,

Marcio Napoli
If the trend to higher MP density counts continues - we'd have someday 80-120 onto a FF sensor - and pixel pitch equal (and even beyond that, much smaller) like 24 MP onto a APS-C sensor...for sure, this trend will go on...better Picture DSPs, better, newly developed algorithyms, for instance check out the DxO One iPhone "AddOn" camera - especially for this temporal noise reduction feature, that's how it'll go...more processing power to the DSP, and so on...but the question is, do we really need that high resolution?! 50 MP are already a reality since the Canon Press Event earlier this year - but the lenses also have to keep up with this high MP count...and therefore lenses are getting bigger, heavier, and of course more expensive. Into the end, nobody perhaps except Advertising photography, very huge, large posters onto the street or high-riser really need that resolution, one would say.

regards

Marc
 
1ds mk 2 is similar and even better with more mpixels too!

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http://www.pahountis.gr
I wonder why the 5d classic prices have gotten so cheap? Perhaps because Canon doesn't make the parts anymore and it can't be serviced if it breaks down?
Just right. that's it. On the other hand - lenses are like the 28-70/2.8 L are more expensive 2nd hand as the 24-70/2.8 L Mk. I - and can't be serviced anymore, because Canon doesn't have or produce anymore spare parts, especially the USM AF motor...if it breaks..then you'd just have an expensive L manual focus zoom lens.
 
Hi fPrime,

The D1X has beautiful color rendering, but I wouldn't really recommend it, fPrime.

Unfortunately, the negatives far outweighs the positives.

In 2015, it's amazing to think the very best part of this camera remais the sensor! The body itself mercilessly shows its age.

But in case you're interested, I have a bunch of D1X NEFs here to share :)
It's really a shame that the traditional camera companies keep iterating higher megapixel sensors. Only Sony was bold enough to release a low density full frame sensor in the A7s. I would have eagerly bought if it had come in a Nikon or Canon body. Until that happens, I'll simply try other classic color champs bought from the used market before they fall apart or disappear.
Completely agree.

Sony have balls, they deserve a lot of praise for that.

Unfortunately, the trend is for truck loads of megapixels, that most (I really mean most) people will never need, and we'll keep downsampling files in post.

There's a thread right now about 250 mp.

You don't need to search too much, and there's already a suggestion of downsampling for optimum image quality.

So that's it folks.

The trend is for color blind cameras, and you buy megapixels that you don't need, just to have the pleasure of downsampling it in post.

The future seems amazing! ;)
What do you think of the Leica M9 and M-E full frame CCD sensor? It sounds like it could be the basis for a color king but I can't say that I'm overwhelmed by what I see posted from Leica users on Flickr... as a group they seem to love underexposing and twisting their processing.
I don't have an M9, but a few years ago I found a bunch of RAWs on the internet (can't remember where).

Those were among the most deep and vibrant files I've ever seen.

Breathtaking color quality, clarity, and that signature CCD rendering.

Sometimes, you'll hear folks complaining about the M9's skin tones, but that's expected.

That was a Kodak sensor, and Kodak sensors are well known for rich colors, but not for everyone's taste (a matter of color profiles more than anything else).

Simply put:

I can see why the M9 became a cult classic, and is often times more praised than the M240 itself.

Cheers!

Marcio Napoli
 
Hi mansod,

I have a few Raws here, but it's really not that interesting. Just 3 technically decent files, and all under the same light condition.

The day I was shooting the most with this camera, I didn't have my own CF card inserted.

I also wish I had more files to play. :(

Best regards,

Marcio Napoli
 
1ds mk 2 is similar and even better with more mpixels too!

--
http://www.pahountis.gr
I wonder why the 5d classic prices have gotten so cheap? Perhaps because Canon doesn't make the parts anymore and it can't be serviced if it breaks down?
Just right. that's it. On the other hand - lenses are like the 28-70/2.8 L are more expensive 2nd hand as the 24-70/2.8 L Mk. I - and can't be serviced anymore, because Canon doesn't have or produce anymore spare parts, especially the USM AF motor...if it breaks..then you'd just have an expensive L manual focus zoom lens.
This is the month to double down on the classic if you want it. CanonUSA will stop servicing the 5D by the end of this month. Put down $200-300 and then sent it right in to Canon to get the mirror serviced and they'll probably replace the shutter as well. Then you'll have 100,000 shots. Should last at least 10 years for most weekend warriors. Heck, get 3 bodies and you'll be good until 2040 when there will probably be holographic cameras with an AI.
I do have 2 bodies, the last one <280 Bucks. And one got already the Mirrorfix, whileas my other still need it, i know it since 2009, but at that time i have had only one 5D...will go tomorrow to a Canon Service Point for the Fix. ;) I know that the Service is off on 30.9. because Canon doesn't have anymore Service Parts, sad but true.
 
Hi fPrime,

The D1X has beautiful color rendering, but I wouldn't really recommend it, fPrime.

Unfortunately, the negatives far outweighs the positives.

In 2015, it's amazing to think the very best part of this camera remais the sensor! The body itself mercilessly shows its age.

But in case you're interested, I have a bunch of D1X NEFs here to share :)
It's really a shame that the traditional camera companies keep iterating higher megapixel sensors. Only Sony was bold enough to release a low density full frame sensor in the A7s. I would have eagerly bought if it had come in a Nikon or Canon body. Until that happens, I'll simply try other classic color champs bought from the used market before they fall apart or disappear.
Completely agree.

Sony have balls, they deserve a lot of praise for that.

Unfortunately, the trend is for truck loads of megapixels, that most (I really mean most) people will never need, and we'll keep downsampling files in post.

There's a thread right now about 250 mp.

You don't need to search too much, and there's already a suggestion of downsampling for optimum image quality.

So that's it folks.

The trend is for color blind cameras, and you buy megapixels that you don't need, just to have the pleasure of downsampling it in post.

The future seems amazing! ;)
What do you think of the Leica M9 and M-E full frame CCD sensor? It sounds like it could be the basis for a color king but I can't say that I'm overwhelmed by what I see posted from Leica users on Flickr... as a group they seem to love underexposing and twisting their processing.
I don't have an M9, but a few years ago I found a bunch of RAWs on the internet (can't remember where).

Those were among the most deep and vibrant files I've ever seen.

Breathtaking color quality, clarity, and that signature CCD rendering.

Sometimes, you'll hear folks complaining about the M9's skin tones, but that's expected.

That was a Kodak sensor, and Kodak sensors are well known for rich colors, but not for everyone's taste (a matter of color profiles more than anything else).

Simply put:

I can see why the M9 became a cult classic, and is often times more praised than the M240 itself.

Cheers!

Marcio Napoli
Would love to see some D1X files.

Every so often a minty D1X will pop up used for about $50-75. Don't have any Nikon glass though, and heard that due to the strange formatting of the files, the images appear a bit "stretched."
 
Hi,

Yeah, that's true. Images are stretched because pixels are not exactly square (a very strange design, isn't it?)

Here you can download a bunch of Raws:


Images have no artistic merit, they're just snapshots to show the CCD rendering, which I love, and the great colors this camera had (IMO, much more natural looking than anything we have today).

For anything under $75 bucks I'd grab it just for sheer curiosity, but it's not worth anything more than that.

The body has aged quite a bit. It's actually a pain to use.

Also, that "stretched" look to the images is quite irritating, unfortunately.

I'd recommend this camera only because it's fun. It's a pro body after all, should be fun to carry on hikes, and it's cheap. You'll not worry if any damage happens to it.

Regards,

Marcio Napoli
 
Hi,

Yeah, that's true. Images are stretched because pixels are not exactly square (a very strange design, isn't it?)

Here you can download a bunch of Raws:

http://filepanzer.com/get_V9c2W5tU

Images have no artistic merit, they're just snapshots to show the CCD rendering, which I love, and the great colors this camera had (IMO, much more natural looking than anything we have today).

For anything under $75 bucks I'd grab it just for sheer curiosity, but it's not worth anything more than that.

The body has aged quite a bit. It's actually a pain to use.

Also, that "stretched" look to the images is quite irritating, unfortunately.

I'd recommend this camera only because it's fun. It's a pro body after all, should be fun to carry on hikes, and it's cheap. You'll not worry if any damage happens to it.

Regards,

Marcio Napoli
Yeah, I do love the build quality of cams of that era. I got a minty olympus e-1 for sub-$40 and it is fun to shoot from time to time.
 
Hi,

Yeah, that's true. Images are stretched because pixels are not exactly square (a very strange design, isn't it?)

Here you can download a bunch of Raws:

http://filepanzer.com/get_V9c2W5tU

Images have no artistic merit, they're just snapshots to show the CCD rendering, which I love, and the great colors this camera had (IMO, much more natural looking than anything we have today).

For anything under $75 bucks I'd grab it just for sheer curiosity, but it's not worth anything more than that.

The body has aged quite a bit. It's actually a pain to use.

Also, that "stretched" look to the images is quite irritating, unfortunately.

I'd recommend this camera only because it's fun. It's a pro body after all, should be fun to carry on hikes, and it's cheap. You'll not worry if any damage happens to it.

Regards,

Marcio Napoli
Yeah, I do love the build quality of cams of that era. I got a minty olympus e-1 for sub-$40 and it is fun to shoot from time to time.
Just got finished looking at your RAW set. Those are beautiful! Who the hell needs new cameras?
 
Seems like with the release of the a7s II, big pixels are back in fashion.

5D and 30D were right on the money with big pixels & beautiful files.
 

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