Don't get your hopes & expectations up mr. multi IDs. I enjoy the entertainment value of watching you squirm & wiggle, duck & weave.
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Sony A7rII toppled #1 Nikon D810 sensor!
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Mike CH
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At least he sets some enjoyment from a camera, even if it's 'outdated'.
Whereas you seem incapable of enjoying a camera for lany onger than until the release of The Next Greatest Thing, and then hardly.
Do you even own a camera? If yes, have you used it? Apart from the mandatory brick wall?
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naththo
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"DXOMark released the results of their tests with the Sony A7r Mk II today–and they’re not really surprising. Why not? We kind of expected the Sony A7r Mk II to wipe the floor with everyone else–and it does. Receiving an overall score of 98%, it seems to excel in pretty much every area of their tests."
Where is Canon?
http://www.thephoblographer.com/201...-ii-is-at-the-top-of-the-charts/#.Vd9hVfl3nDe
moffatross
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That's me. But though dedicating my working life to wedding photography would be up there with selling snake oil for a living, I suppose auto focus lenses have their niches
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tbcass
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All those cameras are so close together in sensor scores than differences are irrelevant. It does appear the A7rII sensor has been optimized for high iso use at the expense of very low ISO DR. If you go to the DXO site you will see that the DR of the D810 is based on ISO 50, which the A7rII doesn't have, and iso 100. From that point on the A7rII has as good or better DR.
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tbcass
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To fully understand DXO scores you must look at the graphs which reveal that the A7rII matches or beats the D810 in everything but DR at iso 50 and 100.
The problem with that is once you get beyond iso 100 the DR of the A7rII is as good and most of the time better than the DR champ D810. The D810 is optimized for iso 50 and 100 while the A7rII is optimized for higher high iso. So the D810 DR might be a bit better for landscape work on a tripod while the A7rII better for everything else. Of course in real world use the DR differences have little practical relevance.
Sony A7R II vs Nikon D810 vs | DXOMARK
www.dxomark.com
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tbcass
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This is true and such is the nature of DPR competitive Fanboyism. They treat this like a sporting event and their camera is their favorite team. When their team loses it was the officiating, off day, cheating etc but when they win they had the best team ever. When people let their emotions gain control all logic flies out the window.
moffatross
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The same could be said of 42 megapixels, or £1,500 a pop lenses, and I guess all these things add up even if they're barely perceptible in the real world. But if the most compelling imagery out there came from folk with £5,000 worth of lenses in their bags ready to attach to state of the art £3,000 Nikon or Sony bodies, it would definitely seem more relevant.
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naththo
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I hope you are aware of this rules here:
Bumping and cross-posting is not explicitly disallowed but is frowned upon and if abused will result in the removal of posts. As a guide, one bump after 24 hours is perfectly acceptable, as is cross-posting in two different forums where there is an obvious relevance.
There is one already made in the same 24 hours space in the Sony Alpha Full Frame E-mount talk section that talks about DxOMark test result on A7RII. Cross-posting, double topic is not allowed. I am not an admin but need to make you aware what you have done wrong.
Bumping and cross-posting is not explicitly disallowed but is frowned upon and if abused will result in the removal of posts. As a guide, one bump after 24 hours is perfectly acceptable, as is cross-posting in two different forums where there is an obvious relevance.
There is one already made in the same 24 hours space in the Sony Alpha Full Frame E-mount talk section that talks about DxOMark test result on A7RII. Cross-posting, double topic is not allowed. I am not an admin but need to make you aware what you have done wrong.
tbcass
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That is something each of has to decide for themselves but I would bet my life savings that 95% of the people who post in these forums wouldn't notice the difference (aside from the slight resolution difference which is easy to see when viewing at 100%) if they didn't know it was there. Too much time is devoted to tests and numbers and not enough on photography IMO. The fact is the most compelling images are not the result of that expensive equipment but is due to the skill of the photographer. The fact that the top photographers usually have the best equipment is because they can. If you are a top pro why not have the best. If you look at the work from these guys from 5-10 years ago they were producing just as good work with equipment inferior to medium level stuff today.
tbcass
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D810 has a better SNR only at iso 50 which the A7rII doesn't offer at iso 64 A7 is better.. From there on the A7rII is slightly better.
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No cross posting here at all. I have no idea where you get that from ;-) Is it exactly the same post as this one by the same user ??. Post up a link if it is.
If this thread is upsetting you, don't read it ;-)
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moffatross
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Yes indeed. And top photographers are usually top photographers because they are doing something different, going somewhere else, or at some other time of the day/night/year to the rest of us, and what they achieve has little to do with having state of the art equipment. They're certainly less likely than me to be sitting on their bums on a Saturday afternoon reading a web forum about photography technology
Most won't be gear geeks either, and are more likely to use what they've always felt most comfortable using. For those of us who are gear geeks though, reading reviews and technical comparisons can lead to a distorted view that great gear will net great shots because most are written by 'techie' adepts of PR who have a similarly geeky nature to ourselves.And it does make me chuckle when I read some peoples assertions that they 'need' the Nikon DR, or the Sony resolution, or the Canon lens collection etc.
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Bobo Hodls
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Just walked up to it and pushed it over?
That's just rude. And a crime to boot.
That's just rude. And a crime to boot.
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neil holmes
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This is what all fanboys do, by the definition of fanboys. Are you trying to say that all Canon shooters behave that way?
Those scores are pretty much nonsense but the A7RII sensor shows impressive improvements in several categories, you need to see the actual measurements for that. The higher fill factor seems to have a measurable effect, and the read noise at high iso is substantially improved; which is the main achievement, IMO. There are downsides that DXO do not measure, BTW.
Mike CH
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Rishi Sanyal
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Like I said, at base ISO (which is 64, not 50, by the way - I'm surprised DxO hasn't fixed this error in their data after I pointed it out to them numerous times), the D810 has significantly more engineering dynamic range than the a7R II. I wonder if this has to do with the bit-depth of encoding even when the camera is out of 12-bit mode... Jim Kasson has implied that the a7R II only has up to 13-bit quantization at best, but perhaps someone else can weigh in (and apologies if I'm misquoting you, Jim).D810 has a better SNR only at iso 50 which the A7rII doesn't offer at iso 64 A7 is better.. From there on the A7rII is slightly better.
At higher ISOs, the a7R II is better, yes. But the extended base ISO dynamic range means that when you're not light-limited (e.g. you're on a tripod), you can throw more light at the camera before the same tones clip, which means you have cleaner shadows (since the camera doesn't add too much of its own read noise). This isn't insignificant to certain shooters, and I'd love to see Sony also work on increasing full-well capacity of their pixels. Dual gain conversions, btw, will only get you so much more DR, since once you've effectively reduced all impact of read noise on your tones, you're left with 'how much light can any pixel hold?' and 'how efficient am I at gathering photons and making their encounters productive?'.
Interestingly, Bill Claff's data shows very little photographic dynamic range difference at base ISO between the a7R II and D810. So what remains to be seen is what photographic relevance the extended base ISO DR of the D810 has. We've just done some real-world shootouts to verify this, and will be analyzing and presenting that soon.
Cheers,
Rishi
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