Sony A7rII toppled #1 Nikon D810 sensor!

Viva Santo Nino · Aug 27, 2015

"DXOMark released the results of their tests with the Sony A7r Mk II today–and they’re not really surprising. Why not? We kind of expected the Sony A7r Mk II to wipe the floor with everyone else–and it does. Receiving an overall score of 98%, it seems to excel in pretty much every area of their tests."

Where is Canon?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/201...-ii-is-at-the-top-of-the-charts/#.Vd9hVfl3nDe

JunzInc · Aug 27, 2015

It did, barely though

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Nikon is still the King at Base ISO with a 1 Stop better Dynamic Range. How ever where the A7RII trumps the Nikon is when the ISO increases and the Sony pulls ahead. Half a Stop better at ISO-800 and a Stop Ahead From ISO-1600 onward. Now that seems like a huge improvement. Although we have to see real world images.

Regards

ttran88 · Aug 27, 2015

I am really intrigued with the cameras high ISO performance. It's not to far away from the A7S with 42MP to boot.

Zero polycabonate · Aug 27, 2015

Wiped the floor? ROFL such a fanboy. 13.9 stops of DR was bested years ago by apsc sensors, let alone FF. Keep trying.

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neil holmes · Aug 27, 2015

ttran88 said:
I am really intrigued with the cameras high ISO performance. It's not to far away from the A7S with 42MP to boot.

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Too legit to quit.

It is looking like it may well be as good as the A7s in use for high ISO....or so close as to make no matter.

Which makes me wonder if the video limitation of 25600 max ISO may be just an artificial thing protecting the A7s in some way.

I keep dithering between selling both the A7s and A7 and maybe a good lens to get the A7Rii and not... but then I do use the A7s for video above 25600 sometimes.....as well as stills.

DXO still has the A7s a bit better above 25600 for things like DR but is it useable DR difference?

Oh well, I am very happy with the A7s and this is just a case of G.A.S.

I now wonder if there will be an A7sii next year.

Zero polycabonate · Aug 27, 2015

It's funny, the poster above me posted and in less than a minute, had a thumbs up.....

brownie314 · Aug 27, 2015

Viva Santo Nino said:
"DXOMark released the results of their tests with the Sony A7r Mk II today–and they’re not really surprising. Why not? We kind of expected the Sony A7r Mk II to wipe the floor with everyone else–and it does. Receiving an overall score of 98%, it seems to excel in pretty much every area of their tests."

Where is Canon?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/201...-ii-is-at-the-top-of-the-charts/#.Vd9hVfl3nDe

I am sure it is a good sensor. But 98 for the Sony vs. 97 for the Nikon is hardly a beating - much closer to a tie.

neil holmes · Aug 27, 2015

Viva Santo Nino said:
"DXOMark released the results of their tests with the Sony A7r Mk II today–and they’re not really surprising. Why not? We kind of expected the Sony A7r Mk II to wipe the floor with everyone else–and it does. Receiving an overall score of 98%, it seems to excel in pretty much every area of their tests."

Where is Canon?

http://www.thephoblographer.com/201...-ii-is-at-the-top-of-the-charts/#.Vd9hVfl3nDe

It is funny.

The poster using the name Zero Polycabonate is a proven multi name troll and liar who makes endless anti Sony posts.

Names used by him/her include

Max Sharpness, Macro Nutrients, Neil-H, Kangaroo Court, March of the Tripods, Ontario Gone and Jack Hass along with lots of others.

Oh and that was not me giving the thumbs up.

I was still editing the post when that was given.

Viva Santo Nino · Aug 27, 2015

Zero polycabonate said:
Wiped the floor? ROFL such a fanboy. 13.9 stops of DR was bested years ago by apsc sensors, let alone FF. Keep trying.

buybuybuy · Aug 27, 2015

This news will be well-received. Excepting DR at base ISO, it's a step in the right direction.

Nevertheless, the improvement seems little more than incremental--almost four years after they developed the D800 sensor.

That's quite a long time, if you think about it...

The Davinator · Aug 27, 2015

A difference of 1 on their scale is but a rounding error....not wiped the floor! Both cameras are excellent....and very different. If you want "wipe the floor"....look for the first Canon and where it ranks.

The Davinator · Aug 27, 2015

Zero polycabonate said:
Wiped the floor? ROFL such a fanboy. 13.9 stops of DR was bested years ago by apsc sensors, let alone FF. Keep trying.

Rishi Sanyal · Aug 27, 2015

It's a great sensor, but it certainly doesn't 'wipe the floor' relative to, say, the Nikon D810, which has better base ISO dynamic range and SNR over most, if not all, the tonal range. Which gives the D810 files exposed properly at ISO 64 a more 'medium format look' - because of how clean the files are - than any other camera south of medium format out there. That's not trivial, and kudos to Nikon for prioritizing that in their design of the D810 (yes, I know it's a Sony sensor

That said, the a7R II has incredible ISO performance, practically matching the a7S, and another little surprise that we'll keep you in suspense about until we're ready to publish the studio scene.

So: different beasts for different purposes. Let's not say any one wipes any other camera, but just accept that these cameras have different strengths and weaknesses, yes?

-Rishi

Viva Santo Nino · Aug 27, 2015

Rishi Sanyal said:
It's a great sensor, but it certainly doesn't 'wipe the floor' relative to, say, the Nikon D810, which has better base ISO dynamic range and SNR over most, if not all, the tonal range. Which gives the D810 files exposed properly at ISO 64 a more 'medium format look' - because of how clean the files are - than any other camera south of medium format out there. That's not trivial, and kudos to Nikon for prioritizing that in their design of the D810 (yes, I know it's a Sony sensor

That said, the a7R II has incredible ISO performance, practically matching the a7S, and another little surprise that we'll keep you in suspense about until we're ready to publish the studio scene.

So: different beasts for different purposes. Let's not say any one wipes any other camera, but just accept that these cameras have different strengths and weaknesses, yes?

-Rishi

Thank you for your input Rishi. Now, I can't wait for the DP full review of this camera especially the studio scene ;-). Very suspenseful indeed!

MediaArchivist · Aug 27, 2015

This forum is no place for rational discourse. Pick a side, then fight to the death. Get with the program, buddy.

MoreorLess · Aug 28, 2015

Rishi Sanyal said:
It's a great sensor, but it certainly doesn't 'wipe the floor' relative to, say, the Nikon D810, which has better base ISO dynamic range and SNR over most, if not all, the tonal range. Which gives the D810 files exposed properly at ISO 64 a more 'medium format look' - because of how clean the files are - than any other camera south of medium format out there. That's not trivial, and kudos to Nikon for prioritizing that in their design of the D810 (yes, I know it's a Sony sensor

That said, the a7R II has incredible ISO performance, practically matching the a7S, and another little surprise that we'll keep you in suspense about until we're ready to publish the studio scene.

So: different beasts for different purposes. Let's not say any one wipes any other camera, but just accept that these cameras have different strengths and weaknesses, yes?

-Rishi

Honestly I hoped the ISO performance might be better than that, 2800ish to 3400ish is about 1/5th of a stop which even the hype about the layered sensor and the fact the 36 MP sensor is over 3 years old now isn't exactly the "game changer" that had been talked up(talk of it scoring well over 100 with DxO was mentioned), more the natural progression you'd expect.

It could be I spose that if/when Nikon and Pentax get hold of it results will be a bit more impressive.

ttran88 · Aug 28, 2015

What layered sensor you talking about? You getting confused with all the cutting edge sensors Sony making.

Brandon birder · Aug 28, 2015

JunzInc said:
It did, barely though .

Nikon is still the King at Base ISO with a 1 Stop better Dynamic Range. How ever where the A7RII trumps the Nikon is when the ISO increases and the Sony pulls ahead. Half a Stop better at ISO-800 and a Stop Ahead From ISO-1600 onward. Now that seems like a huge improvement. Although we have to see real world images.

Regards

And Nikon if they get their hands on this sensor may improve things further as they have the habit of improving the IQ from Sony sensors over what Sony seems capable of in their cameras.

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MoreorLess · Aug 28, 2015

ttran88 said:
What layered sensor you talking about? You getting confused with all the cutting edge sensors Sony making.

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Yep the one of us who doesn't know every potential detail about every sensor is clearly the "fanboy".

You don't have to have been following things very closely to have picked up on all the "game changer" hype, we've had loads of Sony fanboy threads about that in recent months but really it I think its becoming clear that this is a fairly modest upgrade from the older 36 MP sensor and not the great advance that sensor was.

You look at the D800 relative to the D3X and the DxO score jumps from 88 to 95 with ISO performance increasing by almost half a stop and that's ignoring that DxO doesn't measure resolution which increased by a whopping 50%. This new Sony sensor by comparison offers much more limited improvements in resolution and ISO performance whilst actually regressing in terms of DR.

Again as a Nikon user this might well be the sensor I potentially have the chance to use in the future but honestly unless Nikon get a lot more out of it(or offer greatly improved AF and FPS) I won't be rushing out to upgrade, it will be more a nioce little bonus if/when my D800 needs replacing.

Mike CH · Aug 28, 2015

Vivo and Zero are having at each other!

Who will get banned this time?

Zero is strong after his rest, but Vivo got the first punch in!

Bring popcorn!

Regards, Mike

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