richiebee
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... I must admit to also using it to rescue an otherwise recycle bin worthy image.
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What do you think about shooting in black and white today?
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Mostly.
There are different wavelengths of light.
B&W is all wavelengths at equal strength.
tony field
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I find this fascinating ... and obvious a testament to how individuals perceive "art".
What is the wavelength of Magenta ??
Wavelengths are not "colour" - other than some wavelengths are interpreted by us as "a colour". There is no guarantee that the two of us would have the same perception of 580 nm light.
Many animals and people would disagree about the precision of this definition.
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Everything but green.What is the wavelength of Magenta ??
Yeah...and color blindness makes that worse. However, for non color blind people, it's very reasonable to assume we all perceive the same wavelength combination the same.
I was talking about the source.
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Emily Rench
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Black and White can be good when it comes to an artistic point of view to convay more feeling, but it can also just fit better with certain compositions. Sometimes shooting in color can't be as contrasting and dramatic as black and white can.
fmian
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No appreciation for slower shutter speeds? For higher grains? Do you only like photos from natural looking normal focal lengths? Dutch tilt? Nah, that's not how people normally see things...
Each one of those wavelengths is perceived differently by different people and different sensors and different lenses and different emulsions.
Nooo.. Please stop talking, you're making yourself look bad.
Yes, that's okay.
No, absolutely not. Noise is the second worst aberration.
There's really no such thing (don't get me started on the 50mm myth).
Not really.
Yes...that's what the "gray" is in "gray scale".
All those "colors" are gray.Please stop talking, you're making yourself look bad.
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Lee Jay
fmian
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Why is this okay but not black and white? Our eyes don't see at slow speeds.
Well.. grain and noise are not the same thing. And a loss of overall appreciation for grain is what the digital era has eschewed in, as well as many misconceptions. So I'm not surprised about your stringent requirements.
So you choose to ignore biology as well?
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But not at equal strength. Different wavelengths (colours) are treated differently even on black and white film.Not really.
Yes...that's what the "gray" is in "gray scale".
All those "colors" are gray.Please stop talking, you're making yourself look bad.
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Brev00
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Lee Jay's preferences don't have to be right. He is free to dislike black and white for whatever reasons no matter how illogical they may appear to you or me. Arguing taste is a road to nowhere. Take it from me. I am still arguing with a friend from college: Talking Heads or Styx. The answer is only logical.
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fmian
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I don't mind people having different opinions or tastes, just that when it's based on hypocritical reasoning and lack of factual understanding it tends to strike me as odd.
At least that's the way he comes across to me.
Our eyes dark adapt.
Conceptually they are, even though they come from different sources.
The number one biggest thing I hated about shooting film for all those years was film grain.
Not at all.
And that chart is a good explanation as to why the 50mm myth is, well, a myth, and why I said there really is no "normal". Our eyes can see with many fields of view, from around full-frame fisheye to around 1,000mm, all just because of what you are thinking about and concentrating on.
Each color is of equal strength to the other colors (i.e., all the R, G, and B values are the same), which is what I said.But not at equal strength.Not really.
Yes...that's what the "gray" is in "gray scale".
All those "colors" are gray.Please stop talking, you're making yourself look bad.
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Lee Jay
Well, you are wrong about both.
fmian
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I can see I'm going around in circles with you. Each reply you give shows a further lack of understanding on your part.Our eyes dark adapt.
Conceptually they are, even though they come from different sources.
The number one biggest thing I hated about shooting film for all those years was film grain.
Not at all.
And that chart is a good explanation as to why the 50mm myth is, well, a myth, and why I said there really is no "normal". Our eyes can see with many fields of view, from around full-frame fisheye to around 1,000mm, all just because of what you are thinking about and concentrating on.
Each color is of equal strength to the other colors (i.e., all the R, G, and B values are the same), which is what I said.But not at equal strength.Not really.
Yes...that's what the "gray" is in "gray scale".
All those "colors" are gray.Please stop talking, you're making yourself look bad.
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Lee Jay
Nevermind. I don't have the time to explain things to people who don't want to know.
Esther Gonzalez
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I think shooting in black and white is a great idea to use once in while because when you do, you make the viewer catch their attention towards the photo and they would like to know about the background of the photo
jim4850
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I don't shoot B&W at all and even wish people who post it would add a warning to their post.
I spent too many years in my youth having limited exposure to colour to ever want to revisit the grey world of the past.
I spent too many years in my youth having limited exposure to colour to ever want to revisit the grey world of the past.
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Warning posted per your request.
In this modern world, however, choice is often seen as a plus.
Esther Gonzalez
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Great photos each of them tell a story and express emotions in each in one of them great work and I like how each has something that catches the viewers eyes
Mark S Abeln
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In my opinion, it is difficult to do monochrome really well.
I see a number of reasons why monochrome photography is desirable:
Just because you like it.
But why do you like it?
Because of convenience, cost, and necessity.
For example, when processing images for a monochrome brochure, or if you develop your own film. Might as well do the best job you can, right?
Nostalgia.
Monochrome images can often evoke feelings of nostalgia. Having feelings for the better things of the past, the romance of nostalgia, an escape from the drudgery of the present, is no vice.
Technical superiority.
Monochrome typically has a greater dynamic range, lower noise, and a greater ability to work under extreme lighting conditions, including extremely low light and poor spectral quality light sources. You can get a clean image in monochrome that would be a noisy mess in color. Because of this, you can process a monochrome image far harder than you can plausibly edit a color image.
Unfortunately, it is for these reasons that many photographers use monochrome merely as a method of rescuing an otherwise poor image, instead of intentionally using it to its best advantage.
Aesthetics or mood.
As others have mentioned, color can be cheerful and beautiful, while the gray of monochrome can suggest bleakness, despair, and ugliness, and may even serve as something like an anti-nostalgia.
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Now I often find that lots of monochrome images do little for me, however, this is often times due to insufficient processing, in my opinion. A straightforward conversion, such as Photoshop's Desaturate tool, will usually lead to a flat, low-contrast image. Boosting contrast — a lot — will often improve things greatly.
MinAZ
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It is a real shame that you cannot get a monochrome camera anymore (well unless you shoot film) unless you are willing to fork out about $6k. I would certainly buy one if a reasonable manufacturer would make it, but there is no market. True enough, a color digital camera that can convert to monochrome with great flexibility of processing is the preferred solution, and understandably so. But if I could, I would still get a monochrome (except if it has an L badge).
DenWil
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None of these would even be considered as a color image. That there are folks who do not see or appreciate that says to me that they are looking for something else from their photography.
Extended out dead center over the rim of Hoover Dam shooting straight down the face.
Itiswhatitis. Color just gets in the way.
Extended out dead center over the rim of Hoover Dam shooting straight down the face.
Itiswhatitis. Color just gets in the way.
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