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What a difference! FF rocks!
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canonvaggio
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Didn't you know that when you're trying to "win" an argument in dpr forums, you are supposed to take at least half off the street price of any camera you're recommending?
Example: "I pick up 5D mark iii's all the time for under $1000."
If anyone calls you on that, answer "eBay", or "A guy I know."
Can you please elaborate?
sportyaccordy
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Doesn't matter... it's a ~$100 lens that goes on an FF body. 40/2.8 is another great cheap lens. Good glass doesn't have to be expensive.
Leica S2 is a 20,000 dollar camera designed, made, and sold for professional use,yet it has just 1 AF point.
The D600 was 2,000 dollars brand new, now going for about 850 dollars lightly used, it has 39 AF points covering just over 1/3 wide and 1/3 high of the frame.
So I find your comment way over the top. D600's AF coverage is neither "concentrated", nor "very disappointing", and last not least, nowhere near "that expensive".
Go check out the beautiful images people managed to take with S2's single AF point. if you find D600's 39 AF point limiting, you probably should find another hobby.
well it does matter, because if he had a better lens it would have been spectacularly better than than D7000 and 35
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sportyaccordy
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Not really. 35 1.8 DX is that good. If the EF 50s, STM or not, can match it in color rendering and sharpness, while also enabling an extra 1.2 stops of DoF control/light for half the price I would say they are pretty good.
Today's sensors can bring a lot out of even a "bad" lens. And FF is that much more forgiving on the grounds of linear resolution. So no, actually putting a $100 lens on an FF body is pretty smart. Smarter, IMO, than pro grade glass on old low res bodies. You get all the DR and color rendering of modern sensors as well as great resolution, and decent resolution wide open. Seems like a no brainer to me
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Beyond that of course no FF DSLR selling at the kind of price the D600 or D610 did when the initial premium had dropped off has a wide spread of AF points, the 5D1, 5D2 and 6D all have a narrow spread a swell and the first two were more expensive.
It does rather hint at the different appeal though I'd guess, higher end APSC aiming at tele users wanting more range and so valuing a wide AF spread. Even then though I won't be supprized if within the next couple of years we have an entry level FF DSLR from Nikon with the 36 MP sensor and the D750 spread.
sportyaccordy
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High end APS-C bodies are much more specialized tools than entry level FF. For shooting action that higher quality AF system is critical. I do primarily landscapes, portraits and just general shooting... so for the money an FF body with comparatively weak AF is a much better value. To a degree I think Canikon's push to FF is not necessarily unwarranted.... for the $$$ I imagine the bulk of photographers with ~$1500 to spend on a body would be better served by a D610 than a D400...
They should still cover both bases though.
Les Berkley
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Can we see some images to compare? I'm sure that "full-frame" (whatever that means) must "rock" (whatever that means), but how about showing us?
sportyaccordy
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I never had a problem with my D40, which had a whopping 3 AF points, of which I only used 1. That 1 point worked better/faster than the sensor wide CDAF on my C3, for sure. If you want tack sharp shots 100% of the time, MF still subjects.
HA HA! Who is going to believe you without posting comparison pictures?
Be serious, you need fast lens to take advantage of FF, lens like 50/f1.8, 50/f1.4, 300/f2.8 or faster. And you have to use them at wide open, otherwise you are just carrying dead weight.
Enjoy your FF!
Be serious, you need fast lens to take advantage of FF, lens like 50/f1.8, 50/f1.4, 300/f2.8 or faster. And you have to use them at wide open, otherwise you are just carrying dead weight.
Enjoy your FF!
sportyaccordy
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Why dont we do it this way. Tell us how many images per 10,000 do you get a OOF just because you did focus and recompose.
It happens to me around once a year or less. Usually because I was careless.
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