You will if it's in the contract you a agreed to with your client. Plain and simple lost of deliverables.
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If you were getting married how many photos would you be happy for the photographer to give?
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jeffsvisions
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Sorry but you people work cheap. I did wedding back in the late 70”s to early 80's. . For $2000. US you would get 150 proof. 1 8x10 album with 36 photo's 2 5x7 album for the parents and 100 thank yous .
Total photos taken would be 200 to 300. and for $3000. the only change would be the amount of photos in the albums.
Total photos taken would be 200 to 300. and for $3000. the only change would be the amount of photos in the albums.
Mike CH
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Ehm - reading a bit further down, before you hit reply, would have enlightened you to the fact that Moti would never have agreed to such a contract - see highlight below
Feel better now?
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Moti
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Actually not. It is our policy not to give the RAW files and it is mentioned in the contract we sign with the client to avoid any misunderstanding.
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Vlad S
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I passed this question to a close friend of mine who just got married last weekend. She said that while she recognizes quality over quantity, "there are family portraits in all kinds of iterations, couple pictures , bridesmaids , groomsmen portraits both with either one or both in the couple. With alone these you it already adds up. And then there is the ceremony, where you also expect many pictures. It is nice to not only have picture of the couple but also catch a lot of moments in the audience (parents tearing up, emotional moments amongst friends who don't feel watched etc). Then there is cocktail hour, usually more group pictures , then dinner, toasts and speeches , cake cutting, dancing... Each documented with many pictures."
I personally think that rather than going by bulk number you should make a list of the important points in marriage, and make sure that they are all covered with several photos each. My hunch is that the newlyweds will appreciate a good progression of images more than just a sheer number.
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fmian
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Sounds like the kind of thing you'd need three photographers to cover.
Did your friend give a number for what she would be happy with? I understand there are many variables, but with the tradition wedding 10+ years ago usually comprising of 1-2 albums worth of shots (60-120?) I don't see how weddings have gotten so much more exciting that people feel they need several hundred or more photos. Perhaps it's the decline of the print, and the ushering in of disposable digital imagery that has lowered the perceived value of an individual photo.
I got married in 2000 and got one great looking album of 50-60 shots (5x7 to 6x8) and another 50-60 prints loose as extras.
I can't imagine what I'd do with more photos, whether they are printed or digital files.
But certainly a great and varied amount of responses, regardless of the one troll.
I see many photographers charge by the hour, but I'd like to see them start charging per image and then see what the client thinks.
Food for thought.
stardotstar
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I think the old film days meant limited number of pictures, reduced exepnses and increased profit for photog.
Now in the days of digital, a photog can shoot an unlimited amount! Who knows, that last picture may increase his profits!
Shoot out the wazoo!
Now in the days of digital, a photog can shoot an unlimited amount! Who knows, that last picture may increase his profits!
Shoot out the wazoo!
Wedding is an event. Event's need to be documented from start to finish. If you count all the pics you are required to take of friends and family, everything adds up. It also depends whether you are delivering digitals or prints. If you are delivering 100 digital shots on a CD, you're in trouble.
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Vlad S
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There was one photographer, one assistant who was in charge of lighting, and he also had a 2nd camera that he occasionally used; and a videographer.
She said she could not give a specific number, but that if she got back 80 pictures total she'd be definitely dissatisfied.
Knowing her, I would guess that she would want to acknowledge her parents, in laws, and other special people by including them in the album, rather than simply have every minute detail documented.
This is probably true, I think not having to deal with the expense and the time sink of film, people will expect more images delivered for the same price.
I don't think it would work well for event photography. There is a reason why wedding photography is typically offered as packages.
Vlad
So if the client wanted them you would turn away the work. It's good to be clear in a contract but the client has to get what they need.
howardfuhrman
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I am more interested in quality rather than quantity. I want a reasonable number of high quality photos that cover the event, most of the bride and groom, a number of the family and close friends, and others covering the key events of the wedding and reception.
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Multiples of each of these:
Getting Ready
Getting Ready
- Bride's clothes hanging on the wardrobe, on the bedpost, or over a chair
- Bridesmaids doing bride's hair and makeup
- Bride and bridesmaids getting dressed, applying makeup
- Mom helping bride with one last detail, such as veil
- Full-length shot of bride in gown checking herself out in mirror
- Detail of clothing, shoes, garter, something borrowed, something blue
- Touching shot of bride with parent/s and/or stepparent/s
- Touching shot of bride with sibling/s
- Bride hugging honor attendant
- Bride with bridesmaids
- Bride with all the women
- Groom getting ready with Dad and pals
- Touching shot of groom with parent/s and/or stepparent/s
- Touching shot of groom with sibling/s
- Groom with his arm affectionately around best man
- Groom with all the groomsmen
- Groomsmen putting on boutonnieres or bowties
- Intimate shots of bride and groom chatting with/crying with/hugging parents and siblings preceremony
- Dad whispering last-minute advice to groom
- Groom ready to go
- Bride ready to go
- Bride and groom separately making their way to the ceremony (in a limo backseat, hailing a cab, walking down the street/hall/stairs)
- Guests streaming into the site
- Ushers escorting guests to their seats
- Ushers escorting moms to their seats (Christian wedding)
- Close-up of groom's adorably nervous mug waiting for his other half
- Bridesmaids and groomsmen walking down the aisle
- Flower girl and/or ring bearer entering
- Honor attendant walking down the aisle
- Grandparents walking down the aisle (Jewish wedding)
- Wedding party waiting at the altar
- Groom walking down the aisle
- Bride and Dad/escort/parents (Jewish wedding) walking down the aisle
- Close-up of bride just before she makes her entrance
- Bride and groom at the altar
- Altar or canopy from the back during ceremony
- Wide shot of audience during ceremony, from bride and groom's point of view
- Faces of bride and groom as they exchange vows
- Close-up of bride's and groom's hands as they exchange rings
- The kiss
- Bride and groom proceeding up the aisle, guests' smiling faces at their sides
- Bride and groom outside ceremony site
- Congrats shots: bride and groom hugging, laughing, and crying with good friends and family
- Bride and groom leaving ceremony site
- Bride and groom in limo backseat
- Bride and groom together
- Bride with her happy, proud parents and/or stepparents
- Bride with her entire immediate family
- Groom with his happy, proud parents and/or stepparents
- Groom with his entire immediate family
- Bride and groom with all parents
- Bride and groom with immediate family members from both sides
- Bride and groom with groomsmen
- Bride and groom with bridesmaids
- Bride and groom with whole wedding party
- Shot from outside reception site
- Reception details such as place cards, guest book, centerpieces, decorations, table settings, favors table, and champagne glasses
- Bride and groom arriving
- Receiving line moments
- Bride and groom at head table
- Parents' table
- Guests' tables
- Close-up of friends and family making toasts
- Bride and groom sipping champagne
- Bride's and groom's parents whispering to each other during dinner
- Bride and groom chatting up the guests
- Bride and groom's first dance
- Parents dancing
- Bride and Dad dancing
- Groom and Mom dancing
- Wedding party dancing
- Grandparents dancing
- Kids playing or dancing
- Musicians or DJ doing their thing
- Guests going nuts on the dance floor
- Bride laughing with bridesmaids
- Cake table
- Bride and groom cutting the cake
- Bride and groom feeding each other cake
- Dessert table
- Bouquet toss
- Tossing and catching of the garter
- Bride and groom leaving, waving from getaway car's backseat
- Rear of car departing
Vlad S
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It also takes time to edit the set, so it actually can take less time to simply dump all the photos with pleasing exposure and properly focused, than spend time on selecting the best images.
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I take it you're not married.
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fmian
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Now what I am seeing is a MASSIVE amount of time editing the huge amount of photos.
Some photographers have mentioned a 'double the shooting time' guide for how long it takes them to edit. That's madness. And then (having worked in a minilab and as a retoucher) I've seen plenty of wedding photos that need big colour adjustments or highlight pulls. And then when we print large the bride see's that she has stray hairs and minor blemishes and other stuff going on, so she has to spend more money getting an otherwise nice photo retouched cause the photographer hasn't done it. Plus she has wasted money on prints that have to be trashed.
The whole 'shoot the crap out of everything' attitude just creates sloppy work and ends up costing the client more in the long run. A cost that often isn't taken into account.
I'm glad that I mostly operate on the fringes of the industry so I don't have to deal with such stress. Instead I end up profiting from the inability/inexperience of others. It's a strange place to sit.
fmian
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All this for a $2000 shoot by one cameraman?
I would feel sorry for that photographer.
gtautocare007
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Normally photographers taking photos in between 100-150
Moti
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Exactly. If the client need absolutely to get RAW file he should go somewhere else. This is not part of the services we provide.
In any case, this is a hypothetical question. With over 250 weddings behind my back, I never had such a request.
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