Polarizer for Canon EF-M 11-22mm

Michal Minich · Aug 19, 2015

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?
I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

johnsmith404 · Aug 19, 2015

Michal Minich said:
I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

Thats pretty much unavoidable. large patches of sky + ultrawide + polarizer simply doesn't work. You could of course use gradients to kinda fix it but personally I wouldn't bother.

Michal Minich said:
I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

Does it cause mechanical vignetting or optical vignetting? In the latter case a slimmer filter won't change much. In general, you should be able to find a cap that works well enough with a slim filter.

Michal Minich said:
I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

55mm filters are the best anyways, because step-up rings may interfere causing vignetting.

Michal Minich said:
Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Afaik the Marumi EXUS series is the only polarizer that has a 'significant' advantage in terms of reduced light loss. It's about 0.3EV better than the other filters. In itself not really worth paying the premium but it's overall a fine filter (good coatings). It's not cheap though.

Michal Minich said:
Thank you.

HaroldC3 · Aug 19, 2015

Michal Minich said:
I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

I have a 58mm thin filter and it vignettes on the 11-22mm lens. I would suggest using a 67mm filter especially if you want to stack with an ND filter (as is often the case for me when shooting water).

johnsmith404 · Aug 19, 2015

HaroldC3 said:
Michal Minich said:

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

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I have a 58mm thin filter and it vignettes on the 11-22mm lens. I would suggest using a 67mm filter especially if you want to stack with an ND filter (as is often the case for me when shooting water).

That's not because of your filter but because of your step-up ring. A thin 55mm works just fine (it would be quite ridiculous if it didn't).

Buying a 67mm polarizer and ND just for the ability to stack them at 11mm seems like a lot of wasted money and bag space to me unless you also own 67mm threaded lenses. Especially when stacking 2 regular thickness 55mm filters works with no vignetting from 12mm+. And from what I understand OP already owns a 72mm polarizer for his 15-85 and isn't too keen on adapting oversized filters.

Btw. if you still decide to use a 67mm filter, make sure to use a one-step adapter. Stacking my 55-58 58-62 62-67 leads to vignetting with no filter at all.

nnowak · Aug 19, 2015

Michal Minich said:
I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

I am using a B+H 55mm Kaesemann XS-Pro Circular Polarizer MRC Nano Filter on my 11-22mm lens. (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752955-REG/B_W_1066394_55mm_XS_Pro_Digital_MC.html)

No vignetting issues and it is still threaded to hold the stock lens cap. I just noticed that there is a new "High Transmission" version that is even more expensive, but I have no idea how much of a difference it makes. B+H also make some lowered priced versions with less coatings, but should still work just as well.

The easiest way to fix the dark corners of the sky is in post using a radial gradient.

HaroldC3 · Aug 19, 2015

johnsmith404 said:
HaroldC3 said:

Michal Minich said:

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

Click to expand...

I have a 58mm thin filter and it vignettes on the 11-22mm lens. I would suggest using a 67mm filter especially if you want to stack with an ND filter (as is often the case for me when shooting water).

Click to expand...

That's not because of your filter but because of your step-up ring. A thin 55mm works just fine (it would be quite ridiculous if it didn't).

Buying a 67mm polarizer and ND just for the ability to stack them at 11mm seems like a lot of wasted money and bag space to me unless you also own 67mm threaded lenses. Especially when stacking 2 regular thickness 55mm filters works with no vignetting from 12mm+. And from what I understand OP already owns a 72mm polarizer for his 15-85 and isn't too keen on adapting oversized filters.

Btw. if you still decide to use a 67mm filter, make sure to use a one-step adapter. Stacking my 55-58 58-62 62-67 leads to vignetting with no filter at all.

Yeah I think if your plan is to buy the largest filter that covers the current M lenses then 55mm makes sense but I am using a Canon 55-250mm STM lens that I sometimes use for landscapes, so I thought a 58mm would work well. But that is not the case with the 11-22mm lens. The below is with just a slim CPL and adapter.

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johnsmith404 · Aug 19, 2015

HaroldC3 said:
johnsmith404 said:

HaroldC3 said:

Michal Minich said:

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

Click to expand...

I have a 58mm thin filter and it vignettes on the 11-22mm lens. I would suggest using a 67mm filter especially if you want to stack with an ND filter (as is often the case for me when shooting water).

Click to expand...

That's not because of your filter but because of your step-up ring. A thin 55mm works just fine (it would be quite ridiculous if it didn't).

Buying a 67mm polarizer and ND just for the ability to stack them at 11mm seems like a lot of wasted money and bag space to me unless you also own 67mm threaded lenses. Especially when stacking 2 regular thickness 55mm filters works with no vignetting from 12mm+. And from what I understand OP already owns a 72mm polarizer for his 15-85 and isn't too keen on adapting oversized filters.

Btw. if you still decide to use a 67mm filter, make sure to use a one-step adapter. Stacking my 55-58 58-62 62-67 leads to vignetting with no filter at all.

Click to expand...

Yeah I think if your plan is to buy the largest filter that covers the current M lenses then 55mm makes sense but I am using a Canon 55-250mm STM lens that I sometimes use for landscapes, so I thought a 58mm would work well. But that is not the case with the 11-22mm lens. The below is with just a slim CPL and adapter.

Couldn't you just have gone with a 55mm also for your 55-250mm? At least with my 80-200 f4 L with an 58mm filter thread, 55mm filters don't cause any issues.

Abu Mahendra · Aug 19, 2015

nnowak said:
Michal Minich said:

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

Click to expand...

I am using a B+H 55mm Kaesemann XS-Pro Circular Polarizer MRC Nano Filter on my 11-22mm lens. (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752955-REG/B_W_1066394_55mm_XS_Pro_Digital_MC.html)

No vignetting issues and it is still threaded to hold the stock lens cap. I just noticed that there is a new "High Transmission" version that is even more expensive, but I have no idea how much of a difference it makes. B+H also make some lowered priced versions with less coatings, but should still work just as well.

The easiest way to fix the dark corners of the sky is in post using a radial gradient.

First of all it is B+W. Second, you need to examine your output more carefully. I own the same CPL, and it vignettes on the M11-22 lens.

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nnowak · Aug 19, 2015

Abu Mahendra said:
nnowak said:

Michal Minich said:

I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

Click to expand...

I am using a B+H 55mm Kaesemann XS-Pro Circular Polarizer MRC Nano Filter on my 11-22mm lens. (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752955-REG/B_W_1066394_55mm_XS_Pro_Digital_MC.html)

No vignetting issues and it is still threaded to hold the stock lens cap. I just noticed that there is a new "High Transmission" version that is even more expensive, but I have no idea how much of a difference it makes. B+H also make some lowered priced versions with less coatings, but should still work just as well.

The easiest way to fix the dark corners of the sky is in post using a radial gradient.

Click to expand...

First of all it is B+W. Second, you need to examine your output more carefully. I own the same CPL, and it vignettes on the M11-22 lens.

Abu Mahendra · Aug 19, 2015

I'll check once I get home.

TrackDayLT4 · Aug 30, 2015

I have a 55mm Hoya HD polarizer on my 11-22 and am very happy with it. No vignetting.

It has about a stop more light transmittance than a typical circular polarizer. The coatings are very good, see the picture below with the sun at the edge of the frame. It also has an antistick coating so it is very easy to keep clean.

The standard Canon pinch cap works fine.

The two examples are shot at f/4 11mm EXIF is intact

Here is my flickr album with lots of real world samples most of the shots are with the 11-22 and the Hoya HD Polarizer. https://flic.kr/s/aHsk7bbzw9

Marco Nero · Aug 30, 2015

Michal Minich said:
I like to use polarizing filter in summer for landscape on my 15-85. Now I'm starting to use 11-22 more, I would welcome one for this lens too. There are two issues I can see.

The lens is very wide, which makes sky in the corners different shade. It is already visible on 15mm lens. I'm afraid that there is no solution for this and I would have to live with this 'artistic' representation. Is there a solution is in software (Lightroom, DPP)?

I would like to avoid vignetting caused by filter at 11mm. But also like to use filter that can hold standard cap. Is this possible?

I would like to avoid filters that are bigger that necessary, since I prefer convenience of use.

Also thing to consider, if there is a polarizer that is less dark than usual? Does that impact polarizing ability?

Thank you.

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11-22mm + Circular Polarizer (note the darker patch in the sky center)

11-22mm WITHOUT any filter. The sky is surprisingly dark because of the angle and the nature of this lens. Note that the dark band at the apex of the sky is much more uniform. For this reason, I'd probably avoid using filters with this lens unless shooting in an ocean or tropical environment. I can still get nice dark skies without a CP filter.

11-22mm + Circular Polarizer. Note the darker patch in the sky on the right. The CP filter has also darkened the shadows considerably and this image has been edited to lift the shadow details that were previously hidden.

11-22mm + Variable Neutral Density Filter

Circular Polarizer (potential for dark zones in the sky with wide lenses)
Neutral Density Filter (no dark zones)
Variable Neutral Density Filter (adjustable)

I think you'll find that MOST professional photographers manage to capture nice images using CP filters, especially for postcards and travel brochures. But it's almost impossible to find filters that will fit over Ultra Wide Lenses - especially fish-eye lenses. The 11-22mm lens is an Ultra Wide Lens ... but just barely. You can easily mount a filter to the 11-22mm lens and fortunately there's no obvious vignetting (that I've noticed).
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If you're getting a variable ND filter, there's still going to be occasional problems with darker areas in the sky showing - especially when near maximum effect. A simple ND filter with no fancy features will produce the most even results but it can't produce the effects that a Circular Polarizer is capable of. Especially in relation to reducing reflections on water or glass.
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Unless you want to take LONG exposures, the Variable ND Filter won't be particularly useful. But if you get a Circular Polarizer, I wouldn't waste my time with a cheap one. Especially with this lens. Some brands often produce strange color tones. I'd probably suggest a STANDARD CP filter from HOYA. They also make a PRO-series of their filters but the only benefit is likely to be a thinner filter to reduce the chances of vignetting.
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Note that the Hoya Variable ND filter is threaded only on one side. This means it cannot be fitted with a lens cap when this filter is in place.

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