I wish people realized how important BEING THERE actually is...

I know the pixel peepers hate super zoom lenses but situations like this are why I like my Tamron 16-300 as a walk around lens.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
 
Your condescending posts are uncalled for and reveal yourself as a self absorbed asxhole. All he was saying was if you love photography spend less time on forums chasing the latest gear and instead get out and take photos. He makes no claims to being a great photographer but instead simply likes to record what he sees.
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a) for 95% of people taking casual/travel photos, when it comes to feel rewarded, a D3200 and the 18-55 is more than they need.
Probably 99.999%. But it's the .001% left that counts, no?
b) Being there will, no matter what, be the element that, when absent, makes everything else meaningless. If photographer A or B (I'm talking generically now, I don't mean anyone specific from those that addressed the points above) either wants to claim the D4 and the 70-200 are better than the D3200+18-55 or, alternatively, that my posted photos are mediocre (I'm sure they are by some people's standards; stellar by others'), I ask them: Fair enough, show me your photos of a couple kissing with the Acropolis in the background. I don't mean this in any contemptuous way, simply as a matter of fact.
If we are both there, and I have the better equipment and knowledge and get the shot, I win.
Someone mentioned smartphones. I have indeed traveled with only a smartphone - the only thing that keeps me from leaving even the D3200 at home is that the lens of my phone isn't wide enough and the camera of my phone doesn't have full exposure control.
And that fact that your cell phone won't get a lot of the shots, leaving you empty handed.
 
That doesn't matter. They are rewarding to the photographer and aren't meant to please anybody else.
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You and several others completely missed the point of the OP.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
 
Is that why several professionals posted in their blogs that the Tamron 70-200 f2.8 was better than their Canon equivalent.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
 
Cellphones have limitations that eliminate them from doing many types of photography.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
 
I never cease to be amazed by people's inability to either comprehend what they read, or to (perhaps subconsciously) block unpleasant truths.
Sorry, it's not about blocking unpleasant truths. It just comes across as a somewhat inane thread and that's about all.
I read about the photos posted being snapshots (the implication being they have no artistic merit; for snapshots in the sense that I was vacationing, was too busy enjoying the experience, and simply took the photos quasi-instinctively, they surely are).
Unfortunately, if you're going to write a thread praising the merits of "being there" and then post schlocky snapshots and try to justify their lack of artistic merit because you were on vacation, you're kind of shooting your theory in the foot. You were there. Why didn't "being there" produce better photos?
I also read about certain compositional or other flaws regarding the posted photos (I could list you another 10 you could see, and another 10 you probably can't - because you weren't there, to see the what-it-might-have-been)

I normally don't react to off-topic aspects, but perhaps it's worth to clarify a couple of things.

What I said was this:
Not counting the photos I took professionally, there was a major common denominator in my most rewarding photos from this past year: they were virtually all taken with the humble, entry-level Nikon D3200 and the very basic 18-55.
To restate the obvious: Never did I post these photos as any kind of high art - not even remotely. The key element I wanted to convey is:

a) for 95% of people taking casual/travel photos, when it comes to feel rewarded, a D3200 and the 18-55 is more than they need.
This has been suggested over and over. We all agree. But none of us wants "just what we need" as we are a bunch of gear nuts as well. A Yugo is plenty of car for me if I'm being honest. But I have a Mustang GT because I want something that's a pleasure to drive. And it doesn't hurt that it goes faster and handles better. A D810 is more better and produces nice images that I like to admire. I don't like working with D5300 images because they're just so lacking. They would be fine if I'm forced, but I'm not being forced to use one.
b) Being there will, no matter what, be the element that, when absent, makes everything else meaningless.
Being absent? That's an inane thought. Of course being absent does nothing. No one has suggested that there is good photography to be had by sitting at your monitor!!!
If photographer A or B (I'm talking generically now, I don't mean anyone specific from those that addressed the points above) either wants to claim the D4 and the 70-200 are better than the D3200+18-55 or, alternatively, that my posted photos are mediocre (I'm sure they are by some people's standards; stellar by others'), I ask them: Fair enough, show me your photos of a couple kissing with the Acropolis in the background. I don't mean this in any contemptuous way, simply as a matter of fact.
A couple kissing with the Acropolis in the background? Who cares? You didn't make me want to go there! It's not being there that would make this shot excellent. I like to do my best to make a place look compelling - this you didn't do. The photograph of the sailor kissing the girl - not a particularly great photo either - nothing iconic unless you know the context. I don't think it's a fantastic image really. But I know what it means, so I respect it. But also - who says it wasn't staged?
Someone mentioned smartphones. I have indeed traveled with only a smartphone - the only thing that keeps me from leaving even the D3200 at home is that the lens of my phone isn't wide enough and the camera of my phone doesn't have full exposure control.
So the camera and equipment does matter after all.
 
All nonsense. In the near future, most photographers will send out a squadron of drones and capture imagery remotely, then splice it together, composite, and push and pull every pixel in post to the point that they will be forever glued to their computer screens.

They'll have a distinct competitive advantage over people like you whose images struggle to be heard over the noise of average snapshots--billions of which are taken every day!

As an example, here's a shot of an uncannily similar couple smooching with the Eiffel tower in the backdrop.

NOT MY IMAGE
NOT MY IMAGE

How'd you think I got that shot? Do you think I visited France? How important was being there to me?

I prefer to let the drones like you do the gruntwork in the field--much like the army sends its grunts to the frontline while the officers stay far, far away. The cerebral stuff--the post-processing--now that requires brainpower!
 
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I'm sure the photos meant something to the OP and could care less about your opinion. The % of self absorbed idiots is very high in these forums.
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The idea of capturing a memory went right over your head.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
 
I'm sure the photos meant something to the OP and could care less about your opinion. The % of self absorbed idiots is very high in these forums.
So you're calling me the self absorbed idiot? Not sure what you meant.

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That doesn't matter. They are rewarding to the photographer and aren't meant to please anybody else.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
Point well made. Connecting with that moment is usually to the one who captured the image. I think that acceptance to a wider audience is more dependent on whether it has interestingness and/or technical excellence(even that is subjective!).
 
All nonsense. In the near future, most photographers will send out a squadron of drones and capture imagery remotely, then splice it together, composite, and push and pull every pixel in post to the point that they will be forever glued to their computer screens.

They'll have a distinct competitive advantage over people like you whose images struggle to be heard over the noise of average snapshots--billions of which are taken every day!

As an example, here's a shot of an uncannily similar couple smooching with the Eiffel tower in the backdrop.

NOT MY IMAGE
NOT MY IMAGE

How'd you think I got that shot? Do you think I visited France? How important was being there to me?

I prefer to let the drones like you do the gruntwork in the field--much like the army sends its grunts to the frontline while the officers stay far, far away. The cerebral stuff--the post-processing--now that requires brainpower!
Good skills you got working for you. Not sure about 'borrowing' another's image but good composite nonetheless.
 
That doesn't matter. They are rewarding to the photographer and aren't meant to please anybody else.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
Point well made. Connecting with that moment is usually to the one who captured the image. I think that acceptance to a wider audience is more dependent on whether it has interestingness and/or technical excellence(even that is subjective!).
You do not start a thread proclaiming "being there" is the most important thing with images that are not meant to please anybody else.
 
That doesn't matter. They are rewarding to the photographer and aren't meant to please anybody else.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
Point well made. Connecting with that moment is usually to the one who captured the image. I think that acceptance to a wider audience is more dependent on whether it has interestingness and/or technical excellence(even that is subjective!).
You do not start a thread proclaiming "being there" is the most important thing with images that are not meant to please anybody else.
You know what? This isn't my battle and there really shouldn't be one. Folks in this forum seem to wait and then pounce on the OPs like it's business as usual. By the way, where's the crime in posting something in a title that's not perfectly scripted according to your own take?
 
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The idea of capturing a memory went right over your head.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography.
Nonsense. People can have memories of events that didn't happen. Look up suggestibility and false memories.

So, even "fake" photographs can produce "real" memories. And my photo--of the couple in the shadow of the Eiffel--will make for a waayyy better memory than the original.
 
All nonsense. In the near future, most photographers will send out a squadron of drones and capture imagery remotely, then splice it together, composite, and push and pull every pixel in post to the point that they will be forever glued to their computer screens.

They'll have a distinct competitive advantage over people like you whose images struggle to be heard over the noise of average snapshots--billions of which are taken every day!

As an example, here's a shot of an uncannily similar couple smooching with the Eiffel tower in the backdrop.

NOT MY IMAGE
NOT MY IMAGE

How'd you think I got that shot? Do you think I visited France? How important was being there to me?

I prefer to let the drones like you do the gruntwork in the field--much like the army sends its grunts to the frontline while the officers stay far, far away. The cerebral stuff--the post-processing--now that requires brainpower!
Good skills you got working for you. Not sure about 'borrowing' another's image but good composite nonetheless.
Thanks, Sitting Duck!
 

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