Are all mirrorless slow AF?

Like everyone says, mirrorless is the speed champ with S-AF in almost every comparison possible
... that involves ideal light and a high contrast subject.
Ideal light?! sorry but some mirrorless can focus in lower light then any Dslr as long as their is some contrast to lock onto. For instance all recent Panasonic's focus to -4ev
Yes the Pany rates lower ev than even the D7200. It would be interesting to see which acquires focus faster on a low-contrast stationary subject in -1EV. Then which one tracks that subject better when it moves. In the later case, my money would be on the Nikon. I'm not sure about the former.
The A6000 isn't their top of the line camera. It replaced their NEX-6 which was below the NEX-7.

Sony never released another NEX-7 nor did they seal the A6000 against moisture.
When I go to the Sony store and ask to see their APS-C mirrorless cameras, they show me the A6000, the A5100, the A5000 and the A3000. You might as well say the D7200 isn't Nikon's top of the line APS-C dSLR either, because nothing has superseded the D300s. So you can have it your way and we'll compare the A6000 to the D7200 as second tier cameras. Or we can acknowledge current reality and call them both top-tier.
The Dslr equiv. of the A6000 would be the D5xxx series.
Why? An a6000 with kit lens lists at $800. A D3300 with kit lens lists at $650. A D5500 with least capable kit lens lists at $1000. The A6000 is between the two Nikons, but closer in price to the D3300, both in absolute dollars or proportionately. So price-wise the D3300 is the best match. In terms of location in lineup, the D7200 is the best match.
And it's not really clear who wins for shooting sports. The D5200/5300/5500 all have very good AF systems but the Sony has an amazing burst speed.
I'll agree that the Sony has a faster framerate. I haven't developed a opinion on which is better for shooting sports using their kit lenses. Given the lenses I have, or the lenses available, it's really clear I'd rather shoot sports on the Nikon. What e-mount lenses are there for shooting sports on an a6000?
mirrorless STILL wins. Try to find DSLRs that can shoot and focus at 11-15 FPS for under $1300 like the A6000 and NX1.
Frame rate is not the same thing as autofocus speed. Many mirrorless cannot change focus between frames at their highest framerate. I'm unaware of any dSLR that doesn't focus between frames. A D7200 body costs less than $1300.
While this is true for some camera's it ain't true for the A6000 and NX-1. They can maintain their maximum burstspeed while using AF-C
But not their keeper rate for subjects changing both lateral position and distance from the camera - at least on the a6000 - I've tried. Perhaps the NX1 is better.
There are DSLRs that do a better job focusing with C-AF, but they also cost a lot more.
And they deliver a lot more. And that is at the smaller, less capable end of things. Are you suggesting that an A7RII has faster, more accurate AF-C on rapidly moving subjects in middling light than a D810 or a 5DIII, or that the A7II's AF-C outperforms the D750?
I don't think these Dslr's AF systems can be beat by any mirrorless. But then it's also borrowed from 7999,- dedicated sports camera's that shoot our most prestigious sport events.

I do think these mirrorless can make the D610 sweat and beat the Canon 6D
Yes but the point of the above comparisons was to continue to compare at roughly equal prices. The D750 has the same list price as the a7II. The D610 is $300 less. The 6D is $600 less.
Not agreeing or disagreeing on anything you said except the price of A6000 with kit lens. They have been selling for $698 for a very long time pretty much everywhere.
 
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LOL!!!
No, this is what's really funny. You use to using small equipment or something?

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Well congrats on your new gear Zero :-) :-) That was quick, did you sell the Pentax ??

I also like your new quote in your sig ....

"It is not wise to be wiser than is necessary"

You do a fine job of exactly that, really ironic.

Danny.
Troll of many names, thank you for your interest in my life. Good day :-D



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im just a noob who is trying to see whether mirrorless is suitable for my needs which is often fast moving objects in very low light.
Very few mirrorless are suitable for that, but that is a more difficult problem than just having a fast AF of unspecified type under unspecified circumstances. When you add the "fast-moving" and the "very low light" you eliminate a lot of cameras.

Some entry level dSLRs might not be up to it either.
all entry-level Dslr's and some midrange models are not up to that task.

I am not sure whether a D5200 or above is gonna be acceptable.

If not we are talking about over 2 grand for a Nikon D750 as your best bet.
I think half that for a D7200 will suffice. I too am unsure about a D5200 for the job, but a D5500 would be better than that.
Just for the Micro Adjust to eliminate hassle I would always recommend the D7xxx line or above. Even a D7k can be found now for cheap and it's still a decent camera, if only slightly behind on sensor rez. It's still modern in IQ though, 13.9 stops, noise isn't bad. It's not quite as good as the newest 24mp in Nikon but it's still decent. If I had to choose between a back focused shot with half a stop less noise or a shot that's focused spot on with slightly more noise, of course I choose the latter.
 
No, this is what's really funny. You use to using small equipment or something?

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"It is not wise to be wiser than is necessary".
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Well congrats on your new gear Zero :-) :-) That was quick, did you sell the Pentax ??

I also like your new quote in your sig ....

"It is not wise to be wiser than is necessary"

You do a fine job of exactly that, really ironic.

Danny.
Troll of many names, thank you for your interest in my life. Good day :-D

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Lol. And just what other names do you think nzmacro has?
 
Not agreeing or disagreeing on anything you said except the price of A6000 with kit lens. They have been selling for $698 for a very long time pretty much everywhere.
Not in the Sony store, except when marked for sale. How many different camera stores have you checked to reach the "pretty much everywhere" conclusion?

Market price is more ephemeral than list price. I don't doubt that a lot of the kits sold in the US were sold for less than list, but in the absence of hard data, the only firm comparable number is list price. I also expect that many Nikon kits were also sold for less than list, although their average sale price was probably closer to list, for simple supply & demand reasons.
 
Lol. And just what other names do you think nzmacro has?
Well im not going to give away my info or he may take steps to better hide it but I will say this, you and Neil seem to be around at the same places as him, jumping at the same people in arguments. Coincidence?
 
Lol. And just what other names do you think nzmacro has?
Well im not going to give away my info or he may take steps to better hide it but I will say this, you and Neil seem to be around at the same places as him, jumping at the same people in arguments. Coincidence?

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Yeah, you'd have to be remarkably deluded to think nzmacro, Neil Holmes, and I are the same person.

I'd get that tin foil hat checked if I were you.
 
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Mirrorless might be slower to focus, but it's getting faster each generation. Won't matter for 95% of people.
 
Lol. And just what other names do you think nzmacro has?
Well im not going to give away my info or he may take steps to better hide it but I will say this, you and Neil seem to be around at the same places as him, jumping at the same people in arguments. Coincidence?

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Yeah, you'd have to be remarkably deluded to think nzmacro, Neil Holmes, and I are the same person.

I'd get that tin foil hat checked if I were you.
I am happy to go and post a photo of the Council chambers here with todays local paper in front of it if Zero will do the same!

I wouldn't worry though......he has been outed as serial troll, liar and even serial camera buyer yet again, so now he will do what he always does and try and turn it around on others.....he well knows we are not the same.

He is just being disruptive and trying for attention (no matter how pathetic).

Beware Martin.....I think you and I may well be in the same time zone EDIT my mistake we are not. ....of course NZmacro isn't even in the same country.
 
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Lol. And just what other names do you think nzmacro has?
Well im not going to give away my info or he may take steps to better hide it but I will say this, you and Neil seem to be around at the same places as him, jumping at the same people in arguments. Coincidence?

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My main nickname here is ..... Zero polycabonate

I also go by the name Neil and Martin, Henry, Geoff and Lee. I'm a shocker and proud of it ;-) You could always report me to DPR if you want :-)

Danny. < That's my real name BTW

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I think Zero has well and truly lost the plot. :D

pfft, they're all in the Southern Hemisphere, of course they're all the same person. Lol.
 
I think Zero has well and truly lost the plot. :D

pfft, they're all in the Southern Hemisphere, of course they're all the same person. Lol.
I didn't realise Neil was an Aussie, I had to look at his profile. All these years and I never looked, gees. Man you guys dicked us in the rugby the other night, a darn good lesson to the All Blacks. The netball was a little different though ... for a change ;-)

Danny.
 
I think Zero has well and truly lost the plot. :D

pfft, they're all in the Southern Hemisphere, of course they're all the same person. Lol.
I didn't realise Neil was an Aussie, I had to look at his profile. All these years and I never looked, gees. Man you guys dicked us in the rugby the other night, a darn good lesson to the All Blacks. The netball was a little different though ... for a change ;-)

Danny.
 
I think Zero has well and truly lost the plot. :D

pfft, they're all in the Southern Hemisphere, of course they're all the same person. Lol.
I didn't realise Neil was an Aussie, I had to look at his profile. All these years and I never looked, gees. Man you guys dicked us in the rugby the other night, a darn good lesson to the All Blacks. The netball was a little different though ... for a change ;-)

Danny.
 
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I think Zero has well and truly lost the plot. :D

pfft, they're all in the Southern Hemisphere, of course they're all the same person. Lol.
I didn't realise Neil was an Aussie, I had to look at his profile. All these years and I never looked, gees. Man you guys dicked us in the rugby the other night, a darn good lesson to the All Blacks. The netball was a little different though ... for a change ;-)

Danny.
 

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