Sony a6000 +18-105 f4 G vs rx10 for wedding video

Please help me,

I'm trying to decide between a Brand new Sony A6000 + 18-105 f4.0 vs Sony Rx10 (version 1) (this one will be a used one).

It will mainly be used for wedding video (75% video and 25% stills). It will be an A cam (the a6000 is more expensive and im afriad it will overheat.. I have a sony a55 and it overheats a 4 or 5 minutes in direct sunlight; The Sony A7 I sold.. overheated too but rarely.

I had a a57 (didn´t overheat) that was stolen last weekend and I need a new main camera (the Sony A57 wit 18-200 and ocasionally 17-50 2.8 or 28-75 2.8, was the main camera, with sony a99 or a77 doing some b stuff (we are a team with 3 elements, one photo, other video and the 3rd element doing a mix of both). You can see my IQ standards and budget were low.

I think to have 2.8 weather resistant and no mirror and full sensor readout (plus its cheaper) will make rx10 atractive for outdoor and church weddings. The a6000 is aps-c (the shallower dof will e almost the same f4 vs f4.7 but probably low light performance might be equal at least and I will get more wide angle and a little more telephoto and I don´t know better stabilization perhaps (though I have read reports that talked about 18-105 helping a6000 not to overheat and they stay the zoom is much faster

I used a57 at iso 3200 and both a7 at 3200 (should have used at least 6400 since it meet my quality requeriments with a7.... my a99 for video and stills I stay at 3200 (to be able to push one stop when needed)

Based on reaerach (there is a lack of high iso videos of rx10 I will be good at 3200 and probably will make auto iso at 6400 for video with rx10 and forget it.. so they both will be at iso6400 (a6000 looks acceptable too at 6400 for video) but the rx10 will have 2.8 so one stop ( I have read 18-105 is far from f4 in light transmission).

Aps-C vs 1".. (they say color reproduction ni rx10 is bad... I already have old olympus e-p1 and didni´t like its higlights rendering (always blowing out and rx10 is reported to do this).

rx10 has better sound too and may look more pro too (I use a zoom h1 for ceremony so the no mic won't matter much... only if a6000 didn´t overheat) Are both zoom and focus mechanisms in those t2 combos silent for video?

rx10 has advantage of flash sync at 1/1600 (does this mean if I have a trigger that works at 1/250 can I use off camera flash at 1/1600 without HSS or it will only sync at 1/1600 on camera?) might use it for formals at noon or for off camera flash with bride and groom

a6000 has great tracking with 28-160 reach at f4 wich would be acceptable when needed (people talk bad about tracking with rx10 and I still didn´t understand if there is direct manual focus in video mode with rx10).

Would appreciate comments about iso performance of both (iso12800 is unusable for me with both in video mode, but would like to knowif they are comparable at 6400.. at iso100 I already know rx10 is sharper).

would appreciate comments too about af speed, accuracy and overheating with both cameras and to know which would you buy it.

Thanks.

Anyone?

I will probably buy rx10 but im afraid of being used that the zoom lens has play and jiggles.

RX10 Mark II out of your budget? I tried it and it seems noticeably better in low light.

compositor20 said:

Anyone?

I will probably buy rx10 but im afraid of being used that the zoom lens has play and jiggles.

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compositor20 said:

Anyone?

I will probably buy rx10 but im afraid of being used that the zoom lens has play and jiggles.

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Hi,

by no way I'm a video specialist and I'm shooting video rarely only. But the videos I've taken with my RX10 in XAVC are simply stunning and its built-in ND is very handy for both videos and stills.

.....With either option plan on an external microphone....The A6000 should give better DOF control and better low light performance. Since they have the same video codec options, I would imagine that the output should be in the same zip code in good light. the subject tracking on the A6000 is better.

well the a6000 needs to be 1 stop better to counter act the 1 stop of light gathering (I won´t buy prime lenses since with video, zooms are a must, since you can´t carry an alternativa camera with an alternativa monopod at the same time (it could be fixed but in many times I already have a fixed camera). Anyone confirms that iso 6400 on video on rx10 is equal to 12800 on a6000? for stills is 1.3 stops.

how is the ND auto feature? does it turn on or off based on light levels (im afraid my video operator forgets to turn off the ND when going inside nd teh footage will get noisy and dark since its 3 stosp less light)?

I've had the A57 as well. The low quality video is what made me initially switch to E-mount. What I found right away interesting and refreshing is that it doesn't have the limitations that the A57 does. With the A57, clearly, each pixel of the video is taken from a single pixel off of the sensor. It is like having to deal with a fully zoomed in shots. Kind of hard to explain. When you take a photo at ISO 3200 with the A57, the overall zoomed out (seeing the whole shot on the screen), might look ok, but when you zoom to 1:1, it does not look so good. With the A57's video it's just like that. Having to deal with as if you're viewing fully zoomed in. The A65 and A77 noise per pixel is even worse, and I think Sony limited its video to ISO 1600 only, because of that. I had a A65 for a bit before returning it to the store. ISO 1600 was just below that acceptable level for inside our house. Things were too dark. The A57 was brighter for video at ISO 3200 - but grainy. I put up with it at the time.

But now the A6000 is leaps and bounds beyond all of this. Here, clearly, multiple pixels (at least) are used to extract each video pixel from. I've done all kinds of experiments trying to home in on its limitations - I don't know where to start. Whether it's *full* sensor readout, what they call it, or not, I'm still not sure. Marketing says that only some later cameras do this. But honestly, from the looks of it, the A6000 *does* do full sensor readout. What I did is compare video frames with photos. The results were kind of the same. In my view, that's only possibly if it's really doing a total full sensor readout and including *all* the sensor pixels in the video generations. I still have those shots around....









As for the right lens. The 18-105 hands down. The OSS is *very* effective. No video crop! All mechanical lens based and it does it very well. The A57 does it digitally - yet it *still* crops - what the hell! The power zoom works ok, and the zoom ring feels almost as if it's mechanical (it's "by wire"), unless you're zooming *very* fast. The zooming action is nicely buffered and smoothened because of all of this, and not so hokey feeling imo.

The A6000 has been satisfying enough for well over a year now, that I don't really care much about any other potential cameras. One thing that missing is that super crisp sharp Panasonic quality. The A6000 is definitely much sharper than the A57 (that's another thing, the A57 was flat out blurry in comparison), but not quite *as* sharp as it should be imo. However... I have not done that firmware upgrade yet. They upped the bit rate and use a different compression algorithm now. This allegedly produces sharper video. So I have strong hopes that it will improve. Just don't have a Windows box handy because I hate Windows. I'm a Linux guy, and I don't like my wife's Mac either. This has been making me slow to upgrade the firmware.

You asked about focus speed. It's great! Much much faster than the A57. It's just about instant. Absolutely zero focus noises too! It does it nicely continuously as well. The A57 looks like a total piece of antiquated crap compared to the A6000, for video anyway. It was nice at the time, but I saw the writing on the wall nearly 2 years ago. Stubborn crowd the A-mount guys though... They'll eventually come around I'm sure. They *have* to anyway...

A problem with the A6000 for video is audio support. The only way to use a real microphone is through the top multi port. There are a few microphone options including a bluetooth adapter. I am not sure if this will work with other microphones or not. I believe the A6000 does NOT support an audio line in.

I have both (minus the 18-105 lens) and I use the RX10 when I want the video to be nice. It's nice have a microphone jack if you need it. If you have the newest firmware than you have a lot of data wiggle room if you want it.

Suspect both cameras would do just fine though. I prefer the a6000 for shooting photos. It does overheat by 20 mins though, in terms of video shooting.

cchen2 said:

I have both (minus the 18-105 lens) and I use the RX10 when I want the video to be nice. It's nice have a microphone jack if you need it. If you have the newest firmware than you have a lot of data wiggle room if you want it.

Suspect both cameras would do just fine though. I prefer the a6000 for shooting photos. It does overheat by 20 mins though, in terms of video shooting.

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I have a strange but free tip for recording sound.... use a high quality voice recorder and mount it using velcro on top of your head. (no I'm not poking fun here). Leave it recording the whole time. The sound quality is much better than what the camera provides, and you have a continuous bunch of sound that you could use to make an interesting combination of slideshow and video.... very unique... the only problem is people frowning and staring at a box stuck on top of your hat... it just doesn't look right and it draws unwanted attention. Another option might be something more stealthy. Use headphones and take apart that voice recorder and move each microphone to easy headphone speaker. That way it looks like you're using normal equipment...

I will have to decide if 20minutes are enough.. the internal mic isn´t a big deal to me that i use tha camera mics for reference and for cerimony a stereo mic.

anyone compared isos in video mode?

What worryes me is if rx10 fails I can´t get back the lens to put on another camera.

I would probably pick up the A7... it has video output and audio in.

compositor20 said:

Please help me,

I'm trying to decide between a Brand new Sony A6000 + 18-105 f4.0 vs Sony Rx10 (version 1) (this one will be a used one).

It will mainly be used for wedding video (75% video and 25% stills). It will be an A cam (the a6000 is more expensive and im afriad it will overheat.. I have a sony a55 and it overheats a 4 or 5 minutes in direct sunlight; The Sony A7 I sold.. overheated too but rarely.

I had a a57 (didn´t overheat) that was stolen last weekend and I need a new main camera (the Sony A57 wit 18-200 and ocasionally 17-50 2.8 or 28-75 2.8, was the main camera, with sony a99 or a77 doing some b stuff (we are a team with 3 elements, one photo, other video and the 3rd element doing a mix of both). You can see my IQ standards and budget were low.

I think to have 2.8 weather resistant and no mirror and full sensor readout (plus its cheaper) will make rx10 atractive for outdoor and church weddings. The a6000 is aps-c (the shallower dof will e almost the same f4 vs f4.7 but probably low light performance might be equal at least and I will get more wide angle and a little more telephoto and I don´t know better stabilization perhaps (though I have read reports that talked about 18-105 helping a6000 not to overheat and they stay the zoom is much faster

I used a57 at iso 3200 and both a7 at 3200 (should have used at least 6400 since it meet my quality requeriments with a7.... my a99 for video and stills I stay at 3200 (to be able to push one stop when needed)

Based on reaerach (there is a lack of high iso videos of rx10 I will be good at 3200 and probably will make auto iso at 6400 for video with rx10 and forget it.. so they both will be at iso6400 (a6000 looks acceptable too at 6400 for video) but the rx10 will have 2.8 so one stop ( I have read 18-105 is far from f4 in light transmission).

Aps-C vs 1".. (they say color reproduction ni rx10 is bad... I already have old olympus e-p1 and didni´t like its higlights rendering (always blowing out and rx10 is reported to do this).

rx10 has better sound too and may look more pro too (I use a zoom h1 for ceremony so the no mic won't matter much... only if a6000 didn´t overheat) Are both zoom and focus mechanisms in those t2 combos silent for video?

rx10 has advantage of flash sync at 1/1600 (does this mean if I have a trigger that works at 1/250 can I use off camera flash at 1/1600 without HSS or it will only sync at 1/1600 on camera?) might use it for formals at noon or for off camera flash with bride and groom

a6000 has great tracking with 28-160 reach at f4 wich would be acceptable when needed (people talk bad about tracking with rx10 and I still didn´t understand if there is direct manual focus in video mode with rx10).

Would appreciate comments about iso performance of both (iso12800 is unusable for me with both in video mode, but would like to knowif they are comparable at 6400.. at iso100 I already know rx10 is sharper).

would appreciate comments too about af speed, accuracy and overheating with both cameras and to know which would you buy it.

Thanks.

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The a6000 may not have the best AF for very low-light mission critical work (as a wedding and reception tend to be). It's fast, but that doesn't mean it's accurate or that the lens can keep up with your subject. For those types of things, I was under the impression that pros prefer to go manual with a mechanical rather than fly-by-wire focus. The majority of the mirrorless systems out there, including Sony, have really bought into the fly-by-wire approach which makes it really difficult to pre-mark your lens for focus positions. It's further exacerbated by the fact that the algorithm that determines how fast you want to rack focus or focal length isn't completely linear. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but my experience with my a6000 with the 18-105 G lens has been most positive when I set the focus, switch to manual focus, and leave it be, but your mileage may vary.