thanks for the links, yes, the new 14nm cpus will smoke anything in existence right now! but even then, the return on investment is quite insignificant if one goes way overboard with hardware just use them for PS and LR ;-)
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I can tell you from experience and you can mark my words on it.
Skylake will NOT do much for Photoshop work at all.
Intel claims 11% better performance but they claimed 30% on some new CPUs and we got 5% at best. So 11% will translate to maybe 1-2%. Even overclock to 5.2 Ghz is not that much noticeable from the current average 4.5Ghz overclock of the chips like 59xx series. I bet 5930k at 44.5Ghz will give the same performance as Skylake at 5.2Ghz in Photoshop.
Skylake will NOT do much for Photoshop work at all.
Intel claims 11% better performance but they claimed 30% on some new CPUs and we got 5% at best. So 11% will translate to maybe 1-2%. Even overclock to 5.2 Ghz is not that much noticeable from the current average 4.5Ghz overclock of the chips like 59xx series. I bet 5930k at 44.5Ghz will give the same performance as Skylake at 5.2Ghz in Photoshop.
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Skylake is not just about new CPUs, it's also about improved I/O throughout. How that translates into PS and LR improvements we'll have to wait for the benchmarks! But it's close to release dates and if I am going to invest for the next x years, I'll gladly wait for a few more weeks to make sure I am set up well for the future, not just with the CPUs but with niceties likes DDR 4 and USB 3.1 and AC networking, etc. etc. Some of the features that interest me:
Since Intel’s Z170 core-logic features 20 PCI Express 3.0 lanes in addition to 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes in the “Skylake-S” microprocessor, the whole platform boasts with 36 PCIe 3.0 lanes in total, allowing to create ultimate multi-GPU and multi-SSD systems. The Asus Z170 Pro features three PCI Express x16 slots for graphics cards or solid-state drives, four PCI Express x1 slots and six Serial ATA-6Gb/s ports. In addition, the motherboard is equipped with a Serial ATA Express port as well as an M.2 port powered by PCI Express 3.0 x4 with up to 4GB/s bandwidth for ultra-high-end solid-state drives. Keeping in mind that the Intel Z97 chipset only features eight PCIe 2.0 lanes (4GB/s of bandwidth in total), improvements of the Z170 on the platform level are evident.
Since Intel’s Z170 core-logic features 20 PCI Express 3.0 lanes in addition to 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes in the “Skylake-S” microprocessor, the whole platform boasts with 36 PCIe 3.0 lanes in total, allowing to create ultimate multi-GPU and multi-SSD systems. The Asus Z170 Pro features three PCI Express x16 slots for graphics cards or solid-state drives, four PCI Express x1 slots and six Serial ATA-6Gb/s ports. In addition, the motherboard is equipped with a Serial ATA Express port as well as an M.2 port powered by PCI Express 3.0 x4 with up to 4GB/s bandwidth for ultra-high-end solid-state drives. Keeping in mind that the Intel Z97 chipset only features eight PCIe 2.0 lanes (4GB/s of bandwidth in total), improvements of the Z170 on the platform level are evident.
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There is PS and LR processing, and then there is PS and LR processing. Try running an HDR photo merge in LR 6 on 5 or 7 D800 raw files. Try running some Filter Forge filters on some of the larger raw files from any of the new cameras. Try working with dozens of PS layers based on the larger raw files. Don't know what improvements Skylake tech will provide, but given what some of us do with LR and PS, every little bit can help. Will wait for the benchmarks and keep my fingers and toes crossed! 
i know SSD is faster than HDDs at this time, my desktop test attests to this. and like everything else, i have no doubt the it will be made faster! i sure am enjoying the benefits of faster speed and solid state of SSD compared to HDDs, as we are speaking! who knows what future may bring, i am sure it will be better than HDDs though :-D peace.
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More likely Skylake will be in short supply and you will not get it for 6 months. Since someone else builds computer for you call them and ask when they expect it in stock.
As far as the features of the new motherboard you are willing to wait for most of them are overkill for photoshop use. Just like faster SSD vs regular SSD is not going to give you any better performance in real life. Benchmarking means absolutely nothing. There are other factors involved in computer performance besides benchmarking a single component.
Remember that Photoshop needs brutal speed.
My recommendation of x99 mb and 5930k cpu overclocked to 4.5Ghz still stands. But of course it is up to you and your money.
I am on overclocked 3930k (4.5Ghz) and I spoke with Intel engineers at CES this year about when Intel is coming out with something worth upgrading (40-50% speed increase because my computer is already so fast) and was told that it will not happen for a long while. He said at least 5 years.
As far as the features of the new motherboard you are willing to wait for most of them are overkill for photoshop use. Just like faster SSD vs regular SSD is not going to give you any better performance in real life. Benchmarking means absolutely nothing. There are other factors involved in computer performance besides benchmarking a single component.
Remember that Photoshop needs brutal speed.
My recommendation of x99 mb and 5930k cpu overclocked to 4.5Ghz still stands. But of course it is up to you and your money.
I am on overclocked 3930k (4.5Ghz) and I spoke with Intel engineers at CES this year about when Intel is coming out with something worth upgrading (40-50% speed increase because my computer is already so fast) and was told that it will not happen for a long while. He said at least 5 years.
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Benchmark and real life are two totally different things. People thought (including me)if they process Photoshop files of SSD instead of HD they will get better performance. Nope!
Because of the memory caching scheme (in Windows) Photoshop writes to a faster memory even faster than SSD first and then to SSD or hard drive. The reason it is done like that is because it allows you to work seamlessly without waiting for HD. So the larger files you are working with the more memory you should have. Memory speed has no relevance here, btw, just the amount.
Go to PC Talk forum, there are many threads on this.
That is why majority uses small SSD for OS and software and large HD for photos.
Because of the memory caching scheme (in Windows) Photoshop writes to a faster memory even faster than SSD first and then to SSD or hard drive. The reason it is done like that is because it allows you to work seamlessly without waiting for HD. So the larger files you are working with the more memory you should have. Memory speed has no relevance here, btw, just the amount.
Go to PC Talk forum, there are many threads on this.
That is why majority uses small SSD for OS and software and large HD for photos.
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The problem is not the benchmarks, but understanding what specific benchmarks measure. Why did you assume that SSDs would speed up PS? You have to understand how PS works and when it does I/O to evaluate the potential impact that SSDs will have on your specific PS workloads.
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I don't expect that at all. Skylake is not a single entity. The motherboards will be out in August. The CPUs will be released on a schedule that Intel has already published. How long you will have to wait for the CPU you want will depend on which CPU are interested in.
? I think you are confusing me with someone else. I build all my desktops.
I don't just use PS, I use close to 30 photo related pieces of software and I edit video as well (but that requires a completely different configuration). Plus I run a lot of other software, including music recording/editing.
?? You have to understand benchmarks in order to draw meaningful conclusions. In the absence of benchmarks what would you suggest relying on, the tall tales folks tell about the performance of their PCs while sitting around a campfire toasting marshmallows?
Like I said originally, Skylake is about a lot more than just the CPU. Glad you agree.
How do you benchmark a single component? If you were benchmarking CPUs you would have to hold all other things equal and just swap the CPU. But given the varying requirements of CPUs on supporting tech components, that is quite difficult. A lot of the PS benchmarks test CPUs in the context of the most common mobos that support those CPUs. This is quite useful because these configurations match quite a few of the configurations that people might have or might be shopping for.
Actually, I would recommend that anyone using PS primarily read the Adobe docs on the matter, such as:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/optimize-performance-photoshop.html
If you had read this you would have seen that Adobe clearly states that
"Installing Photoshop on a solid-state disk (SSD) allows Photoshop to launch fast, probably in less than a second. But that speedier startup is the only time savings you experience. That’s the only time when much data is read from the SSD."
"To gain the greatest benefit from an SSD, use it as the scratch disk. Using it as a scratch disk gives you significant performance improvements if you have images that don’t fit entirely in RAM. For example, swapping tiles between RAM and an SSD is much faster than swapping between RAM and a hard disk."
So you don't read SSD benchmarks and assume it will make a difference if you know that the only time PS will touch the SSD (after initial startup) is if your image files don't fit entirely into RAM.
For the impact of hyper-threading on PS, read this:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-CPU-Multi-threading-Performance-625/
And for LR:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Lightroom-CC-6-CPU-Multi-threading-Performance-649/
And for assessing the impact of different CPUs on performing a bucket of PS functions, check this out:
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/559...-cores-at-last-benchmarks-adobe-photoshop-cs6
It's not just about CPU tech, it's also about software design and how that design changes over time to make use of CPU speed, CPU Cores, memory, I/O, etc. etc.
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This was years ago. Many were saying since SSD is faster it should speed up PS because PS creates temp files on the HD. But that is not the case in most situations. And it wasn't just me, a lot of people thought that until SSD became more affordable and people started experimenting. You know, some people just talking without actual knowledge.
As far as benchmarking, most of them are synthetic and I don't believe in any of them.
As far as benchmarking, most of them are synthetic and I don't believe in any of them.
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Sorry, I confused you with OP.
same here, i have the Adobe CS creative suite 6.0, which included apps just for about everything (audio/video), and many more post processing related apps.
CPU, chipset, memory utilization, BUSSes, and design of the motherboard make the whole thing one fine tuned unit that makes processing as efficient as possible. in other words, it is not just CPU, as you have alluded, already.
i can appreciate Sushi's posting but i think he needs to clarify his issues a bit more comprehensive so everyone can understand. peace.
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Maybe if you people stick to OP topic of using LR and PS I would not have to clarify anything. Everything I said relates to LR and PS and not video or anything else that computer does.
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Yes, I said it several times in this thread. If I was building PC today that is what I would use.Even if the benchmark confirms what you are saying - the 5930 is pretty much the best CPU choice right now for PS
But if I could find new 4930K or 3930K for a lot less money I would use it too.
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