kamituel
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Correct, but I never stated Sony is going to abandon APS-C line - that's why I don't know why the title was supposed to be misleading.
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"Sony will concentrate on full-frame cameras in the future"
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So you want them to add features to the $3400 new body and then sell it for $900.
And forget that cropping would result in less than what current APS sensors can do.
sportyaccordy
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Sure. All camera tech gets cheaper over time.
How so? What's the difference between an APS-C sensor and a FF sensor cropped to APS-C?
You mean apart from the excellent 16-35 f/4. Don't forget that the FF system is less than 2 years old, so more specialist lenses like a FF 11-24mm haven't been produced yet. Hopefully Sigma will start producing FE lenses soon to widen our choice.
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Please go compare A7R crop against APS-C and m43 - the current generation - and take breath - take a moment and have a looksy.
The A7R is sliding down towards a thousand dollar mark - it will continue to fall.
The four year old FF sensor tech in the RX1 and A7, are all approaching the thousand dollar mark as well - A7's refurbished (refurbished is usually higher than new distributor pricing, which means Sony is making these for less than this amount) - are $850 to $950.
In a plastic body like the A5100, or an A6000, these cameras would be even less.
You seem to be caught up or fearing the concept of a crop on a FF sensor, but you need to compare it on your own terms, and consider it - the A7R crops beat m43 out the gate, and they are within striking distance of the best in APS-C sensors. Not NX1 or Nikon D5500, which are the best in the world, but bumping up against it.
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kami,
It's been known for a while now, Sony has made no secret of it. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of others here.
It's part of the big shakeout currently underway and gathering steam. We'll end up with far fewer real enthusiasts, far more phone users, and more profitable camera companies. I'll leave it to others to figure out who the big losers are going to be. New entrants from phones will not wish to buy into a huge camera and an exclusive line of lenses for it.
We are likely to see a return to the latter part of last century in terms of the profile of the typical serious camera user.
The companies have to follow the more profitable higher end lines and Sony is very well placed to do just that by focusing on higher end products like the one due in a week's time.
Good times. Much more so for enthusiasts than light touch dilettantes however.
More on the a7rII and symmetric lenses here:
3d-kraft.com
Not many newcomers will be interested, will they?
It's been known for a while now, Sony has made no secret of it. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of others here.
It's part of the big shakeout currently underway and gathering steam. We'll end up with far fewer real enthusiasts, far more phone users, and more profitable camera companies. I'll leave it to others to figure out who the big losers are going to be. New entrants from phones will not wish to buy into a huge camera and an exclusive line of lenses for it.
We are likely to see a return to the latter part of last century in terms of the profile of the typical serious camera user.
The companies have to follow the more profitable higher end lines and Sony is very well placed to do just that by focusing on higher end products like the one due in a week's time.
Good times. Much more so for enthusiasts than light touch dilettantes however.
More on the a7rII and symmetric lenses here:
Sneak Preview / Hands on the Sony A7R II
Sony A7RII Sneak Preview Hands On Zeiss Hologon
Not many newcomers will be interested, will they?
sportyaccordy
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Not really. The non Zeiss FE lenses are pretty much in line with equivalent E mount lenses. I think the Zeisses might all be close too.
parallaxproblem
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Not a strategy which Sony are following with A-mount...
Jerry R
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No place for the A mount. I think Sony should have never acquired Minolta. They should have continued the R1 concept. E mount is designed for mirrorless cameras the A mount wasn't.
1", APSC, and FF are the future. Each has its benefits. Sony is the leader in all 3 with mirrorless systems.
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Sony R1, NEX C3 & 5R + Zeiss 24mm, 16-70, & FE 70-200 Lenses, Nikon V1 + 10-30 & 30-110 lenses.
1", APSC, and FF are the future. Each has its benefits. Sony is the leader in all 3 with mirrorless systems.
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Sony R1, NEX C3 & 5R + Zeiss 24mm, 16-70, & FE 70-200 Lenses, Nikon V1 + 10-30 & 30-110 lenses.
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I don't think your reply was very respectful. You may differ with my opinion but why is your opinion any more valid than mine.
I don't have the numbers, but would bet more people (percentage of sales) have kept their R1 than any of the A mount cameras. Sony's line of A mount lenses does not compare with Nikon's or Canon's. Its lenses (in my opinion) which dictate what system to buy into. The range of Sony/Zeiss lenses for E mount are more than competitive with Nikon and Canon in comparable focal lengths.. Sony doesn't have the range of lenses but are well on their way. They cover the range of focal length most people use. The time and resources spent on trying to compete with Nikon and Canon in the mirror DSLR market was wasted. I think Sony insiders would agree.
Its sad, but I don't see Nikon and Canon surviving. Their entries into the mirror-less market do not seem focused Sony has the technology and is using it to their advantage in the FF arena. They should have done this 10 years ago.
I don't have the numbers, but would bet more people (percentage of sales) have kept their R1 than any of the A mount cameras. Sony's line of A mount lenses does not compare with Nikon's or Canon's. Its lenses (in my opinion) which dictate what system to buy into. The range of Sony/Zeiss lenses for E mount are more than competitive with Nikon and Canon in comparable focal lengths.. Sony doesn't have the range of lenses but are well on their way. They cover the range of focal length most people use. The time and resources spent on trying to compete with Nikon and Canon in the mirror DSLR market was wasted. I think Sony insiders would agree.
Its sad, but I don't see Nikon and Canon surviving. Their entries into the mirror-less market do not seem focused Sony has the technology and is using it to their advantage in the FF arena. They should have done this 10 years ago.
sportyaccordy
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A Mount, for all the lenses they brought to Sony's door, was a failure. The sales show it. E Mount was a smarter play IMO, and once they crystallize the adapter situation it will be murder she wrote.
Shame as A mount bodies were not bad, but the interest from the market just wasn't there. Plus old Minolta lenses are more expensive than equivalent Canon/Sony lenses so going old wouldn't pay, even with a current gen IQ body.
Shame as A mount bodies were not bad, but the interest from the market just wasn't there. Plus old Minolta lenses are more expensive than equivalent Canon/Sony lenses so going old wouldn't pay, even with a current gen IQ body.
FuhTeng
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I'd like to know how many APS-C and FF cameras Sony sold this year and last. Actually, toss the 1" family in there too. What's the ratio of sales between 1":APS-C:FF? 10:3:1? 5:2:1? 2:1:1? If it's the last, then I think Sony would be fools to keep the APS-C lineup at all.
parallaxproblem
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Please show us the affordable Sony FF. How much is the cheaper Sony FF ?
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Please reference the starting price of the NEX-7 and A6000, or NEX-5 and A5100, for an example.
Then imagine the A7, priced similar to the NEX-7 originally, and its lesser quality build, plastic body, cheaper EVF (or no EVF) but larger production volume FF younger brother.
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imagine, exactly...
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