DIGITAL ZOOM v EX TELE CONV

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Hi there,

This may be a silly question, but could someone out there please explain the difference between DIGITAL ZOOM and Panasonic's EX TELE CONV? To me they seem pretty much the same thing: e.g. a 4MP crop of a 16MP sensor on a GX7 for an effective doubling of focal length. Am I missing some advantage of using the EX TELE CONV?

Thanks.
 
They are very different. The digital zoom is in camera processed and resampled whereas the EX Tele Conv is effectively just a crop. The latter 'theoretically' has no impact on IQ. The way I try to explain it is print off a picture with a subject in the middle and then take a pair of scissor and cut away half the area of the picture. What do you see the subject is exactly the same IQ as it was before.

In practice I have found that the digital zoom has improved considerably over generations of cameras and on the GX7 I find it quite usable in certain situations, ie mainly close subjects.

Avoid 4* digital zoom at all costs it is a step too far.
 
They are very different. The digital zoom is in camera processed and resampled whereas the EX Tele Conv is effectively just a crop. [...]
In Olympus cameras the equivalent to ETC goes a step further: it actually resizes the resulting crop to full size., and if shooting raw + JPEG it still provides the untouched (i.e., uncropped) raw file.
 
They are very different. The digital zoom is in camera processed and resampled whereas the EX Tele Conv is effectively just a crop. [...]
In Olympus cameras the equivalent to ETC goes a step further: it actually resizes the resulting crop to full size., and if shooting raw + JPEG it still provides the untouched (i.e., uncropped) raw file.
Olympus does Not have an equivalent to Panasonic's ETC and it does Not go a step further.

This has been discussed so many times before.

Oly has what is known as digital zoom. It crops the sensor then up-samples back to 16mp. Most of the photo is fake. Panasonic's digital zoom is the same.

Panasonic's Ex Tele Conv crops the sensor but does NOT upsample resulting in a better IQ.

Allan
 
This is correct. I think the 2x Digital Zoom does a decent job in most situations of up sampling, but if you want your pixels untouched then use the ETC. I also find the 1.4x ETC option to be a nice option in many cases, you end up with a photo that has 1/2 the number of pixels on your sensor, so it's a good compromise between extending reach and retaining a usable number of pixels.
 
Hi there,

This may be a silly question, but could someone out there please explain the difference between DIGITAL ZOOM and Panasonic's EX TELE CONV? To me they seem pretty much the same thing: e.g. a 4MP crop of a 16MP sensor on a GX7 for an effective doubling of focal length. Am I missing some advantage of using the EX TELE CONV?

Thanks.
Basically, for stills, it is this

Digital zoom crops then up-samples the image resulting in an image that is mostly "fake" i.e. made up in the camera.

EX Tele Conv crops but does not up-sample resulting in a cleaner image.

If you shoot jpeg, the advantage of EX TC is an effective increase in the focal length of your lens - good for long lenses. The best setting is to set for 8mp and have a 1.4 EX TC.

If you shoot raw, compared to post-process cropping, the advantage (with a long lens like the 100-300) is that it is easier to focus on the subject such as a bird in the trees. Also the exposure is determined by what is being framed, not the whole scene.

Olympus does Not have an equivalent to Panasonic's EX TC, they only have digital zoom.

There have been many, many discussions on this topic.

Allan
 
Thanks to you all for your replies. I think I've got my head round it now! I hadn't realised that digital zoom makes use of up sampling and had never considered how ETC could help with focusing and obtaining the correct exposure. ETC 1.4X certainly seems worth a try. It's great to be able to call on knowledgeable people for advice on this forum. Much appreciated. Thanks again.
 
[...] Perhaps I'm mistaken but I think ETC mode is ONLY available in video mode, anyway. There is no ETC mode for stills.
There is, in Panasonic cameras, a feature called "ETC".It works the same way (or the same sort of way) for video and stills.In both cases, a crop of the relevant part of the sensor is made, and the result is as if the whole sensor was that.

The reason why it is widely discussed for video and not for stills, is that the feature is extremely useful for video. The image is clean as if we had only that part of the sensor, no resampling, as shown in the mentioned Luminous Landscape article.

For stills, it is kind of pointless, though in some circumstances it can be useful. The fact is that, it you are using JPEGs OoC, then what you get is a crop of the final image, very much like you would cropping it in the computer. Where it sometimes gets very useful is when the cropped out part would influence a lot the camera parameters. For example, cropping out a large area of sky in ETC frees the exposure of all that possible unused area, and that can change exposure a lot! For some, it is claimed, it helps to concentrate on the important part of the image: the part that is selected.

If working in raw, or raw + JPEG, I think that it is better to do the cropping in pp, even from the composition point of view.

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Antonio
 
Shoot RAW and crop the file to any size you want and don't resize, that is infinitely variable EX TELE CONV. Crop and use something like CS6 or Perfect Resize to create a 16MP image and you have an infinitely variable Digital Zoom. Which is better, probably depends on the specific image and how the final image will be viewed. Neither will be the equivalent of a longer lens, but either can result in a very good image.
 

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