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Leica confirm (again) that Panasonic cameras are identical
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I have seen jpegs from the same camera model, same settings etc., which have looked different, so I suspect that is what you are finding, rather than some inherent engineered difference.Just compare OoC jpegs, it's the better evidence, or believe this old PanaLeica user
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LCT
Someone posted comparison photos from (I think) the D lux and the Panasonic images were generally considered superior in terms of colour rendition - it was like the Panasonic was 'natural' and the Leica 'saturated'.
I personally don't think it matters - serious users will shoot RAW and most users will tweak the OOC jpegs as well, so end results can vary so much depending on the users preference, not to mention the colour differences of our monitors, phone screens, paper and inkjets!!
tinternaut
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You can argue until you're blue in the face that the 109, for example, is near as damn-it identical to the LX100, and someone WILL pop up and make an entirely unsubstantiated claim that the glass is better. They pay s mere $200 or so extra, for the Leica branded version and have somewhat unrealistic expectations. It's almost as if the extra guarantee, copy of Lightroom and superior aftersales support are simply not enough.
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Yeah, you are right, but that is unreasonable. However, I would buy the Leica version because it doesn't have a grip... to some, that IS unreasonable.
tinternaut
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Agreed - the grip that Panasonic puts onto the smaller bodies does nothing for me.
And the Leica Q falls in the second category, and not in the third:
There is virtually no camera, or even car, in which every part was built by the manufacturer who sells it.
In your OP you seemed to suggest that the Leica Q is a rebranded Panasonic camera, despite the fact that there is no similar Panasonic version. I read the interview and did not see where Leica had claimed this, although the interviewer asked about it in a round about way.
To be clear, there are very many Leica cameras that were rebranded Minoltas, Fujis, or Panasonics. Around 30 different models to date.
But the Leica Q isn't one of them.
- Manual focus cameras designed and built entirely by Leica in Germany
- Auto focus cameras designed by Leica and built in Germany or Asia, that incorporates technology or subsystems developed by Leica's partners.
- Cameras designed and built in Asia by others that are rebranded as Leicas. These still must meet rigorous Leica quality standards, and come with longer warranties, better software, and better customer service.
There is virtually no camera, or even car, in which every part was built by the manufacturer who sells it.
In your OP you seemed to suggest that the Leica Q is a rebranded Panasonic camera, despite the fact that there is no similar Panasonic version. I read the interview and did not see where Leica had claimed this, although the interviewer asked about it in a round about way.
To be clear, there are very many Leica cameras that were rebranded Minoltas, Fujis, or Panasonics. Around 30 different models to date.
But the Leica Q isn't one of them.
I do have an LX100 and can confirm that its OoC jpegs are different to them of the DL109. I just chose the former because i preferred its ergonomics, i don't need Lightroom, i don't like the red dot and i shoot 100% raw. Doesn't prevent me from using my 30+ Leica bodies and lenses with the same pleasure though.
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LCT
JDLaing
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There are no camera built entirely by Leica in Germany anymore.
Parts and assemblies come from quite a few different countries.
Final assembly and testing/calibration may be done in Germany.
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RaajS
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I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
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JDLaing
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Oh my. If you choose Leica over Panasonic you are just showing off and can't really do photography. It also means you might have gotten off your lazy a$$ and secured a better job so you can afford it.I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
Cheers,
-raaj
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RaajS
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Ah! Got it! I do need to get off my lazy ass as I don't currently have a job (and hope never to have one again!)Oh my. If you choose Leica over Panasonic you are just showing off and can't really do photography. It also means you might have gotten off your lazy a$$ and secured a better job so you can afford it.I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Also, I should stop asking stupid questions!! :-D
Hope you and family are well, JD.
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
JDLaing
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I don't have a job either. My purpose in life now is to cause a fuss on Internet forums.Ah! Got it! I do need to get off my lazy ass as I don't currently have a job (and hope never to have one again!)Oh my. If you choose Leica over Panasonic you are just showing off and can't really do photography. It also means you might have gotten off your lazy a$$ and secured a better job so you can afford it.I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Also, I should stop asking stupid questions!! :-D
Hope you and family are well, JD.
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
RaajS
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I don't have a job either. My purpose in life now is to cause a fuss on Internet forums.Ah! Got it! I do need to get off my lazy ass as I don't currently have a job (and hope never to have one again!)Oh my. If you choose Leica over Panasonic you are just showing off and can't really do photography. It also means you might have gotten off your lazy a$$ and secured a better job so you can afford it.I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Also, I should stop asking stupid questions!! :-D
Hope you and family are well, JD.
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Perhaps you should be spending your time reading books and going to museums? Just ask Kostas... (that should get him all fired up)
Cheers,
-raaj
JDLaing
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I don't have a job either. My purpose in life now is to cause a fuss on Internet forums.Ah! Got it! I do need to get off my lazy ass as I don't currently have a job (and hope never to have one again!)Oh my. If you choose Leica over Panasonic you are just showing off and can't really do photography. It also means you might have gotten off your lazy a$$ and secured a better job so you can afford it.I'm a bit puzzled - how does this affect anyone's photography?
Cheers,
-raaj
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Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Also, I should stop asking stupid questions!! :-D
Hope you and family are well, JD.
Cheers,
-raaj
--
Raaj's first theorem: Most "artists" are full of it.
First Corollary to the First Theorem: They are sometimes full of themselves as well
Perhaps you should be spending your time reading books and going to museums? Just ask Kostas... (that should get him all fired up)
Cheers,
-raaj
JWPreisch
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To quote the illustrious former U.S. Secretary of state:
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
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Look at the title you chose for your thread:
Leica confirm (again) that Panasonic cameras are identical
If calling them "identical" isn't saying they are at least "remotely similar" that what is?
Remember, it was your decision what to title your thread, and you chose to state that Leica confirmed (AGAIN!) that Panasonic cameras are IDENTICAL. Even though Leica made no such claim. The interviewer did ask that question, and you ran with it.
Then they cannot be "identical" if they have obvious design differences.
Of course not. But Leica and Panasonic have had a partnership for some time now, and each gets something from it. Leica gets Panasonic's expertise in electronics, and Panasonic gets Leica's help in designing lenses.
I do believe this runs deeper than branding. While all the Panasonic products branded as Leica, and some of the Leica products themselves are made in Asia, I think Leica is giving technical assistance to Panasonic for lens design. The Pana-Leica lenses certainly are better than the Panasonic Lumix lenses are.
The Q and X are interesting cases since they are made in Asia. They might have been built completely by Panasonic, or some other Asian firm, but they were entirely Leica designs. All the specs were chosen by Leica, and they may have even supervised or monitored the quality control. We know this because there is no "other brand" equivalent, so they cannot be called rebadged or "identical to something else."
It really doesn't matter at all, as long as the final product is excellent. But again, I remind you, it was you who chose to title your thread
Leica confirm (again) that Panasonic cameras are identical
so it appears it must matter to you.
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