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I wonder whether the fact that Nikon now have a full range of long "E" lenses (300mm to 600mm) together with the just released 16-80mm DX only "E" lens, means that they are more likely to "at long last" release a DX replacement for the D300, rather than a FF, in spite of the FF rumors.

A mirrorless D400, or whatever it's called, using the expertise derived from building the Nikon 1, with the speed of the Nikon 1, plus this lens set would seem a worthy replacement for the well regarded D300.

Maybe its been the delay in completing this long lens update and a desire to make the D300 a ground breaking mirrorless camera that has been delaying its replacement.

Cheers,

Graham
 
GAK753 said:
Hello, all! Have any of your read or heard anything about Nikon ever coming out with a full-frame mirrorless like Sony has? Sony is releasing a 42MP version of it's full frame..makes me think about switching systems, but I've got all these Nikon lenses!! :-) and bodies!!

Thanks.
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GAK753 said:
LOL...I can't even remember to count how many systems I've changed in my lifetime already! :-) I love my d800, but it's getting heavier every year I age, and I would LOVE it is Nikon would come out w/ a full-frame mirrorless that could compete w/ Sony's new coming release. I could use all my wonder NIKON glass then! :-)
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nunatak said:
capanikon said:
.... My hope is aps-c takes over as the dominant format.
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the size, weight, and IQ differentials between 110 -> 35mm -> MF -> LF were far more substantial than Dx -> Fx. neither 124 (instamatic film) or APS ever managed to push 35mm (135 format) off of it's perch. if anything, when the dust settles, i forsee 1" -> possibly some open standard variant of m4/3 -> Fx -> large sensor array.
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The weight difference between D7100, and Df, or a D610, is minimal!
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It's easier to get a supertelephoto with aps-c than it is with FX ... superteles are smaller and lighter and cheaper on aps-c.
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true, but the same could be said of Cx (1" )with substantial weight and size reductions. "cheaper" is debatable. it's quite feasible to crop an Fx sized sensor to Dx format, but to interpolate from Dx back to Fx requires IQ (image quality) compromises.
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I have stopped using DX (except a Ricoh GR APS-C compact), switching to CX and FX, and it feels great!
 
myotisone said:
I wonder whether the fact that Nikon now have a full range of long "E" lenses (300mm to 600mm) together with the just released 16-80mm DX only "E" lens, means that they are more likely to "at long last" release a DX replacement for the D300, rather than a FF, in spite of the FF rumors.

A mirrorless D400, or whatever it's called, using the expertise derived from building the Nikon 1, with the speed of the Nikon 1, plus this lens set would seem a worthy replacement for the well regarded D300.

Maybe its been the delay in completing this long lens update and a desire to make the D300 a ground breaking mirrorless camera that has been delaying its replacement.
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I hope your vision is right, Graham! I could live a camera like that!
 
Tord S Eriksson said:
myotisone said:
Maybe its been the delay in completing this long lens update and a desire to make the D300 a ground breaking mirrorless camera that has been delaying its replacement.
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I hope your vision is right, Graham! I could live a camera like that!
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Well, a proper replacement for the D300 still seems to be a high priority with Nikon owners, see Thom's recent poll. http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/survey-says.html.

I am still delaying updating my D7000 in the hope that something like this is imminent. I could live with an uncrippled D7200, but still hoping that the crippling is a sign of a D300 replacement in our near future, and a mirrorless (silent) APC with Nikon 1 speed would make an incredible wildlife/sports/indoors events camera.

Nikon must have lost business by not updating the D300. We had the same ridiculous delay for a VR 300mm, and I assume this was all about trying to get the new technology right before releasing it, so I live in hope. And again, this lens has to be an outstandingly good "standard lens" for wildlife/sports photographer using an APS sized Nikon 1.

Cheers,

Graham
 
Tord S Eriksson said:
I have stopped using DX (except a Ricoh GR APS-C compact), switching to CX and FX, and it feels great!
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currently, Cx is ideal for ninja like stealth with often better than "good enough" image quality (IQ), and Fx ideal for the most versatile high quality IQ format. it took a while for me to come around to this, but i think Nikon set their objectives correctly.

the formats in-between have their fan base, and currently offer some practical compromises between both extremes. i can see them working for me as a specialized device (like your Ricoh GR), but not as a systems platform to be heavily vested in. of course views on this are going to be all over the place.
 
nunatak said:
Tord S Eriksson said:
I have stopped using DX (except a Ricoh GR APS-C compact), switching to CX and FX, and it feels great!
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currently, Cx is ideal for ninja like stealth with often better than "good enough" image quality (IQ), and Fx ideal for the most versatile high quality IQ format. it took a while for me to come around to this, but i think Nikon set their objectives correctly.

the formats in-between have their fan base, and currently offer some practical compromises between both extremes. i can see them working for me as a specialized device (like your Ricoh GR), but not as a systems platform to be heavily vested in. of course views on this are going to be all over the place.
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Seems I have done alright then, when I sold off most of my DX gear ;-) !

My remaining DX cameras are from my early days of DSLR use, and the Pentax DX line is great to learn on (you get a lot of camera for very little money, no matter what brand you use, but the K-x had the best DR (of any basic DSLRs) at the time, had an excellent menu system, was small, and affordable. And simple to learn to use).

Now I don't use any DX (I also have a NEX-5N, with a Sigma 30), except to check that they still are in working order!
 
GAK753 said:
Hello, all! Have any of your read or heard anything about Nikon ever coming out with a full-frame mirrorless like Sony has? Sony is releasing a 42MP version of it's full frame..makes me think about switching systems, but I've got all these Nikon lenses!! :-) and bodies!!
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Here's the deal:

Of course Nikon could make an A7-like camera. But F-mount is not E-mount. And the bulk of F-mount lenses, even AFS-G series, were not designed to work with contrast-mode AF.

So to make the camera as small as the A7, and have lenses that worked as well, it would need to have a new mount and new lenses. The best you could hope for is an FT1-like dedicated adapter that would provide limited functionality (AF but so-so performance and limited exposure modes) with legacy F-mount lenses. And of course no support for screw-drive AF.

So even on the assumption that Nikon comes out with this A7-like camera, you'll still be either buying new lenses or using a clunky adapter with your old glass.

Bottom line:

So if its an A7-sized camera you want, and if you don't have any basic problems with its output quality, performance, controls and ergonomics, you might as well buy a A7...
 
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jonikon said:
GAK753 said:
LOL...I can't even remember to count how many systems I've changed in my lifetime already! :-) I love my d800, but it's getting heavier every year I age, and I would LOVE it is Nikon would come out w/ a full-frame mirrorless that could compete w/ Sony's new coming release. I could use all my wonder NIKON glass then! :-)
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No, the glass wouldn't be lighter...OBVIOUSLY! LOL but, any fewer ounces in the camera would help, for sure!
 
Very good points to ponder, for sure. I will just have to watch and see how that a7, i1r??? reviews. Thanks,
 
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