Is the A9 still to be released?

Good points.

I see the next big leap in cameras as global shutters. It will get rid of rolling shutter in video and probably sharper action photos.

I got the idea Sony was close to having one developed (not sure).

Greg.
Sony is boasting that the read-out speed of their BSI sensors is very close to a global shutter and they are offering it in 42mpx and 20mpx version. 12mpx of a7s could be favourable for a true global shutter using the BSI tech. The video world would implode upon announcement.
 
One flaw in your very entertaining analysis is that you overlook the fact that, while Canon is highly profitable, Sony has been losing massive amounts of money:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-posts-hefty-loss-for-july-september-1414736535

I will eagerly watch for pros shooting with Sony still cameras at future weddings I attend. I have never seen one yet.

Their A series never caught on, and features such as light weight and compactness that attract some amateurs such as myself to mirrorless don't attract pros. They want blazingly fast autofocus, a large lens selection, good battery life, and great flash capability. The A7RII is not likely to suit them.
That story is ancient history. Sony cut bait on mobile phones, the branch that was failing. They figured out that it was more profitable to focus on sensors and let the other cell phone makers deal with the problems of a crowded, low margin, high turnover market. In effect, Apple has become Sony's surrogate in that market.

Here is the most recent news.

Yet the company's market value has climbed in step with its recent recovery progress, and has more than doubled since June 2014 to close to $35 billion.

Canon's profitability is tied to business machines and a weak yen. Their camera sales have been in a slow death spiral due to advances in cell phone camera quality. This is painfully transparent when you look at their most recent advertising campaign in which they attempt to juxtapose their entry level DSLRs with cell phones. The husband at his wife's bedside while she is giving birth fails to get any photos or video because he receives an incoming call. (Canon is assuming a level of incompetence in prospective users that only highlights how out of touch they are with the modern consumer.)

I like Canon, the G2 was my first digital camera, but they are losing the innovation game. The GX1 took a step forward, was already behind by the time it came to market, and then took a step backward. The GX7 is chasing the RX100III, but stumbles with controls that are unfriendly for video, and now looks antiquated next to the RX100IV. The M series was so far behind the curve when compared to Sony mirrorless that the company is afraid to even attempt to release the successor in the American market.

This is not a pretty picture for a company that once dominated with the T3i and 5D. In both areas where those cameras once set industry benchmarks for market acceptance as the go to cameras they have been usurped. Now they are just running in place. With Sony now eliminating the "Canon Lenses!" advantage, I don't see anything but a continued erosion and withering of their digital imaging division. "Overpriced but good" just isn't going to cut it.
 
7: A "prosumer" model. Often, the technology leading model is a 7. Sony examples are the NEX-7 and A7 family; Minolta examples include Maxxum 7000 (first AF SLR), 7 (arguably the most advanced 135-format film camera ever made), and 7D (first digital SLR with single sensor).
Just to clarify, the 7000 was the first body-driven AF SLR from any maker while the 7D was merely Minolta's first digital SLR with a single sensor. Arguably the first hand-holdable digital SLR was a Minolta: the Minolta RD-175, which came out about the same time as Nikon's E series. It used a built-in 0.4x focal reducer and beamsplitter arrangement to light separate sensors for R, G, B. It appropriately enough had a 1 model number, probably not just because it was 1.75MP, but also because Minolta clearly saw it as the first of the new form now known as DSLRs.... ;-)
 
I wrote a post for fun 7 months ago and pretty much nailed the specs on the A7RII... except I labled it the A9:)

www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54992712

Bruce

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It is hardly "pretty much nailed the specs" when you stated that the future A9 would get 46Mp based on the premise of the pixel desity being the same as the 20Mp APS-C sensor. You may have been close with the Pixel count (42 vs 46) but the prediction was based on the wrong assumption 😉

Anyway, a 46Mp rumor was floating around at that time (http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-...era-is-coming-for-real-in-first-quarter-2015/ ) I guess you werent the one behind this, or?

I feel that there is room for a high FPS flagship. A 10fps 20-ish Mp low light Af'ing monster could be the answer for birders, sports photographers and event shooters. Positioning it around the A7R-ii and A7S is the tricky part however. Maybe Sony will need the feedback on the A7R-ii to pull the trigger on such a flagship model.
Somewhere else I posited that a 4x4K grid would drive the next sensor res. But i am so naive regarding the actual video specs...I thought it worked out to 46MP not 42MP. Such is life.

I really thought high spped OSPDAF a mount via LAEA3 would be only on the A9...if it could be done.

Weather sealing. frame rate and focus speed/tracking are obvious targets of A9 design but given the state of the art A7RII I don't see that happening soon. But 'not soon' can be pretty quick with Sony.

Bruce
 
Ok then never buy since you are so worried about what is next.
I am sure you wouldn't say that if you had've just bought a Nex 6 and Sony released the A6000 the next week.

Of course it matters to a well thought out gear acquisition decision. If there is no way of getting accurate predictions then I agree don't worry about it.

Greg.
 
you better wait then. Imagine you finally buy a camera (I doubt it) and then they release one with a global shutter. Oh my god , life is so cruel. So just sit in the corner and wring your hands.
 
Ditto.
Sony rumours had an A8 or A9 camera with 50+ MP to be released this year. Do you think A7rii is all Sony intends to release now? Or is there still an A9 coming? Also if there is we don't know if its an A7 style body or an A99 style DSLR type body.

I imagine the A7000 is the next release. But I wonder if an A9 is still coming or not?
Let me ask you this, aside from guessing it's rather logical name, did any rumor site know the details of a7RII before it was announced?

People who know, don't talk. People who talk, don't know.

What passes for insider information is often nothing more than speculation.
 
One flaw in your very entertaining analysis is that you overlook the fact that, while Canon is highly profitable, Sony has been losing massive amounts of money:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-posts-hefty-loss-for-july-september-1414736535

I will eagerly watch for pros shooting with Sony still cameras at future weddings I attend. I have never seen one yet.
How many weddings do you attend? Hundreds per month, I assume?
Their A series never caught on, and features such as light weight and compactness that attract some amateurs such as myself to mirrorless don't attract pros.
Yes, they do.
They want blazingly fast autofocus, a large lens selection, good battery life, and great flash capability. The A7RII is not likely to suit them.
I agree the battery consumption is one sticking point for many professional applications, but even DSLR users usually carry multiple batteries with adaptable chargers.

As for AF needing to be the hands-down fastest, it depends. Lots of 'professionals' still using older gear. As for lenses, again, it depends on what they're doing. Professionals don't all do weddings, safaris and sports events.
 
One flaw in your very entertaining analysis is that you overlook the fact that, while Canon is highly profitable, Sony has been losing massive amounts of money:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-posts-hefty-loss-for-july-september-1414736535

I will eagerly watch for pros shooting with Sony still cameras at future weddings I attend. I have never seen one yet.

Their A series never caught on, and features such as light weight and compactness that attract some amateurs such as myself to mirrorless don't attract pros. They want blazingly fast autofocus, a large lens selection, good battery life, and great flash capability. The A7RII is not likely to suit them.
Because wedding shooters are the difference between profitability and losing money? Hardly. The consumer side of things is where a majority of the sales lie, and thus profitability is tied to adoption by the general public, not a small subset of specialized users that aren't constantly churning gear to get the latest and the greatest. CIPA says there were about 14 million bodies shipped last year between DSLR's and mirrorless, pros certainly aren't driving those sales numbers.

Sony is turning things around and experiencing its best year in quite some time.


Most of the losses over the last couple of years are from shedding poor performing businesses like computers, home electronics and phones. Moving forward they're going to be a much stronger company and they're returning to profitability much faster than analysts forecast thanks in large part to sensor production.
 
One flaw in your very entertaining analysis is that you overlook the fact that, while Canon is highly profitable, Sony has been losing massive amounts of money:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-posts-hefty-loss-for-july-september-1414736535

I will eagerly watch for pros shooting with Sony still cameras at future weddings I attend. I have never seen one yet.

Their A series never caught on, and features such as light weight and compactness that attract some amateurs such as myself to mirrorless don't attract pros. They want blazingly fast autofocus, a large lens selection, good battery life, and great flash capability. The A7RII is not likely to suit them.
Because wedding shooters are the difference between profitability and losing money? Hardly. The consumer side of things is where a majority of the sales lie, and thus profitability is tied to adoption by the general public, not a small subset of specialized users that aren't constantly churning gear to get the latest and the greatest. CIPA says there were about 14 million bodies shipped last year between DSLR's and mirrorless, pros certainly aren't driving those sales numbers.

Sony is turning things around and experiencing its best year in quite some time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/17/us-sony-results-idUSKBN0MD0MR20150317

Most of the losses over the last couple of years are from shedding poor performing businesses like computers, home electronics and phones. Moving forward they're going to be a much stronger company and they're returning to profitability much faster than analysts forecast thanks in large part to sensor production.
That is largely correct. However, I would not discount exposure through the wedding photography market as a means of gaining direct exposure to the consumer and thus stimulating consumer sales. This is one of the very few areas where the consumer has direct interaction with professional photographers. The combination of a highly charged emotional event, a life milestone with positive connotations, combined with exposure to a professional photographer using a specific brand of camera is a form of advertising that is hard to duplicate through traditional campaigns.

I've seen this effect firsthand when newlywed couples come in to pick out a camera for travel or taking pictures of an expected child. Any discussion of technical specifications takes a backseat to the emotional connection that a couple makes from associating a brand with their wedding. If you look over the digital imaging presentations from Sony board meetings, this is why weddings are featured prominently in the presentation materials.

When you see a wedding photographer make a transition from Canon to Sony like this, those three bodies translate into a net increase of several hundred or thousand sales at the consumer level for Sony and a commensurate decrease for Canon.
 

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