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G7 & Red Arrows
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Ulfric M Douglas
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Very dull : but what can you do in grey weather?
It does remind me a bit of the flat greyness from the DPReview preview samples,
but I look forward from more samples from you including bright blue skies : that would make me happier.
Which jpeg settings? (or was it RAWs and a neutral processor?)
It does remind me a bit of the flat greyness from the DPReview preview samples,
but I look forward from more samples from you including bright blue skies : that would make me happier.
Which jpeg settings? (or was it RAWs and a neutral processor?)
Donald M Mackinnon
Senior Member
Bright blue skies !! might be waiting a while, weather has been consistently wet and grey skies most of the time.
All jpeg with -3 NR and pp'd in Picasa.
All jpeg with -3 NR and pp'd in Picasa.
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Trevor Carpenter
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The light is terrible and you would struggle to get anything great whatever the kit. I don't think it's a good idea to post pictures as an example of the GX7 capability.
Donald M Mackinnon
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It's the G7 not the GX7.
I just want everyone who may be thinking of getting a G7 to see how it performs in all lighting types, this is actually the type of weather which has prevailed across much of the UK over the last couple of months.
I had a Fuji X-A1 which had no viewfinder and would have been difficult today, but it had the least noise of any camera I have ever owned, and it would have given much cleaner results. The X-A1 A/F however is no match for the G7 and the only viable option today would have been a dslr.
Although the light is poor it actually makes the smoke trails stand out against the grey sky.
I just want everyone who may be thinking of getting a G7 to see how it performs in all lighting types, this is actually the type of weather which has prevailed across much of the UK over the last couple of months.
I had a Fuji X-A1 which had no viewfinder and would have been difficult today, but it had the least noise of any camera I have ever owned, and it would have given much cleaner results. The X-A1 A/F however is no match for the G7 and the only viable option today would have been a dslr.
Although the light is poor it actually makes the smoke trails stand out against the grey sky.
Please get some better weather going! My two daughters flew out of Melbourne yesterday headed for the Olde Darte, Portugal, and Paris. #2 daughter is such a keen photographer she packed her (big, heavy) tripod (against my advice!).
Wait -- where did you take these, Donald. ou were on the Isle of Lewis the other day, if I remember correctly. Is this way up in the north or down south?
What is your noise setting in Photo Style? I reduced mine to -3 for Standard in the GX7 (same sensor, somewhat different software) and then returned it to 0 just yesterday after seeing some results.
I also denoise sometimes in Topaz Adjust. I am thinking about Topaz Denoise (today in the last day of 25% off).
For any kind of sensor, film or digital, large, smooth areas like cloud or sky have always been a problem; the best response to noise/grain is a bigger sensor with no single sensor size being the answer. It is just a question of how big you can (can afford?) to go and whether you can actually take a picture with it!
For me, I will take a bit of noise and denoise a bit if necessary in exchange for actually being able to get the camera and lenses to a location and hold it up for long enough to get the pictures I want! Age sure can weary the old arms and shoulders but I do think my m43 is doing better than my old 35mm film cameras did -- because of the sensor (I used to shoot a lot with Tri-X).
It certainly does; they are terrific. I will recommend to my daughter that she pursue air shows exclusively! I hope she will not think I am being sarcastic, which, of course, I never am. LOL.
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drj3
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I don't know enough about Panasonic settings to know, but on my Olympus E-M1 I would have used at least +.7 to +1 exposure compensation when shooting with a sky background which I find results in lower levels of noise and then made any necessary exposure adjustments in PP (however, I do always use RAW files).
drj3
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I hope you don't mind. I took your first image and did very minimal Photoshop processing with the jpeg and I am quite impressed with the camera and I think the lens also did very well.
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amipal
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Looking at downloaded images, the histogram in my software shows the brightest areas at only the middle of the histogram. These shots could/should have had much greater exposure. Look at the shot showing the white ship...which isn't really "white". "Expose to the right" is the answer for shooting in similar conditions, which is why having the ability to place a histogram in the EVF to view continuously as one composes is so valuable. These shots quite possibly could have used as much as +1.7EV more exposure which would have reduced the noise at 200 ISO to nearly invisible. If necessary, it's then very easy to "darken" the image if one wishes.
Shooting a G6 outdoors in bright light/blue sky, and including a good portion of the blue sky in the shot, requires a minimum of +.7EV compensation in STD mode (which is what I use almost exclusively). From your photos, it appears the G7 has similar exposure characteristics.
This isn't bad, especially with the ability to pre-view using a histogram for reference. It ISN"T nearly as good an Auto Exposure performance as a Nikon V1, as an example, which has an uncanny ability to hit correct exposure, even though in daylight it needs -.3EV. Leave it there and just fire away. It, then, almost NEVER misses exposure. The Pansonic's AE isn't as consistent, but they have the histogram to view which, when used solves the problem. It will show when exposure needs to increase, and also when there are bright areas which are "blown" and exposure needs to be reduced.
Invaluable!
Thank you very much for posting your shots.
Sincerely,
Warren
Shooting a G6 outdoors in bright light/blue sky, and including a good portion of the blue sky in the shot, requires a minimum of +.7EV compensation in STD mode (which is what I use almost exclusively). From your photos, it appears the G7 has similar exposure characteristics.
This isn't bad, especially with the ability to pre-view using a histogram for reference. It ISN"T nearly as good an Auto Exposure performance as a Nikon V1, as an example, which has an uncanny ability to hit correct exposure, even though in daylight it needs -.3EV. Leave it there and just fire away. It, then, almost NEVER misses exposure. The Pansonic's AE isn't as consistent, but they have the histogram to view which, when used solves the problem. It will show when exposure needs to increase, and also when there are bright areas which are "blown" and exposure needs to be reduced.
Invaluable!
Thank you very much for posting your shots.
Sincerely,
Warren
rashid7
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Although a pilot, i m a novice shooting at airshows. I have done so-so with the G5 & 100-300. Not bad for size&cost. Recently got some good images of Redbull air races w/ Nikon D750 & Tamron 70-300 VC. But I bought a refurb D7100 and plan to soon get Sigma 150-600 C for the Dubai airshow next winter. Shooting in 1.3 crop mode it will give me 1200mm equiv w/ 15 Mp and should do decent CAF tracking. I should go 2 successive days, and write off the 1st = practice. In good sunlight, no need for fast lenses. The smaller aperatures actually give good DoF. Good luck. I m jealous of your G7, but already have too many cams
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