HX90V HDR

There seems to be some interest in the HX90Vs HDR abilities. Here are two images, one set to Auto HDR, and the other to HDR with a 6 EV difference. Both with Landscape Creative Style, set to -2 sharp. Both processed with the same preset (custom, developed for this camera) in Lightroom.


Auto HDR


HDR 6 stop difference

The difference is subtle but it is there.

For the view in the smugmug lightbox,

I think the problem here might be that you are using the hdr while in a creative mode. First of all, is the hdr even allowed by the cam when in this mode ? Second, the creative mode itself may be introducing noise. Finally, your shots are not that contrast to begin with, so that you might not see a big effect of hdr, which in this implementation just increases dr.
It would be great if you coul post some shots while not in any special mode...sshots with shadowed areas.

Stuart said:

I think the problem here might be that you are using the hdr while in a creative mode. First of all, is the hdr even allowed by the cam when in this mode ? Second, the creative mode itself may be introducing noise. Finally, your shots are not that contrast to begin with, so that you might not see a big effect of hdr, which in this implementation just increases dr.
It would be great if you coul post some shots while not in any special mode...sshots with shadowed areas.

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Actually, I did not...and do not...see a problem here. Folks were just asking how HDR works on the camera. Samples.

Then too...there is no way to use HDR without some "Creative Style"...you can not turn "Creative Style" off...the best you can do is set it to Standard. It is not a mode (like "landscape mode" under Scene selections)...it is just a setting that applies to any non-auto shot. Similarly, HDR is not a Mode...as it is in most other makes of camera...it is a processing function that can be used in any non-auto mode and some Scene Selection Modes.

Thanks! One more thought re auto hdr vs. 6 stop. Perhaps the cam selected 5 stops when in auto, so that there would be little difference. Is there a difference for hdr vs no hdr ? It would be great if you could show that.

Stuart said:

Thanks! One more thought re auto hdr vs. 6 stop. Perhaps the cam selected 5 stops when in auto, so that there would be little difference. Is there a difference for hdr vs no hdr ? It would be great if you could show that.

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Hi Stuart,

There is actually way more difference between the auto shot and 6EV shot than you can see on dpreview. I will post a comparison of the normal shots with HDR later today.

how did you manage to set HDR enabled while in SCN Landscape?

While in SCN most functions are disabled/gray and if in landscape mode my HX90V shows a translucent DROauto which cannot be changed.

Regarding the mush. If you do HDR the scene should not change while the 3 consecuive shots are taken. The camera takes the shot very quickly one after the other but wind is enough to make the leaves move this can only end up with something very soft or a mush

here you can see what HDR can do.









You can see very well that the shadow is removed from the hedge and you see some cloude details in the overexposed sky from the 1st shot but if you look at the top right side of the balloon, you see a ghost image for the balloon edge and the cron line as the ballon shifted a little to the left during the exposure but as there was no wind on the ground, you can see the leaves of the hedge. If there was more wind, the leaves would turn mushy

I am not using Scene Selection Landscape mode...I am using Creative Styles: Landscape.

Stephen Ingraham said:

I am not using Scene Selection Landscape mode...I am using Creative Styles: Landscape.

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ok, got it. Have to try it.

But did you notice, that Scene Selection Landscape mode uses Creative Styles: Std internally

laserx said:

Stephen Ingraham said:

I am not using Scene Selection Landscape mode...I am using Creative Styles: Landscape.

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ok, got it. Have to try it.

But did you notice, that Scene Selection Landscape mode uses Creative Styles: Std internally

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Creative Styles are the profiles applied in jpeg processing. You do not get to choose a Creative Style in any SCN Mode...but that does not mean it is set to Standard. It means the mode has its own profile...and, by the way, its own settings for DRO. I have yet to try Landscape mode on the Sony...I use it a lot on the Nikon P900...in place of HDR. I suspect Landscape Mode on the Sony will have boosted saturation in the greens and blues, some extra sharpening compared to Standard, and some built in DRO (perhaps quite a bit of DRO).

By the way...when using Creative Styles, the 0 setting on contrast, saturation, and sharpening is NOT the same from style to style. Landscape Creative Style has a completely different profile than Standard, and different 0 settings for each of the components. Etc.

The ability to fine tune the jpeg processing engine through Creative Styles is one of the things I really like about Sony cameras...and one of things that makes RAW unnecessary when shooting Sony...you can do most of what you would do in RAW conversion by tweaking the Creative Style settings. This is a good thing.

Stephen Ingraham said:

laserx said:

Stephen Ingraham said:

I am not using Scene Selection Landscape mode...I am using Creative Styles: Landscape.

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ok, got it. Have to try it.

But did you notice, that Scene Selection Landscape mode uses Creative Styles: Std internally

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Creative Styles are the profiles applied in jpeg processing. You do not get to choose a Creative Style in any SCN Mode...but that does not mean it is set to Standard. It means the mode has its own profile...and, by the way, its own settings for DRO. I have yet to try Landscape mode on the Sony...I use it a lot on the Nikon P900...in place of HDR. I suspect Landscape Mode on the Sony will have boosted saturation in the greens and blues, some extra sharpening compared to Standard, and some built in DRO (perhaps quite a bit of DRO).

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If you dont have the Sony, so what are you takling about? I have it here and I can tell you that you can see the settings for any SCN Mode. All those that you cannot change are translucent gray and the creative style for landscape is std 0,0,0. And the reason why I am pretty sure that the translucent settings are the values that are really set for the respective profiles is due to the scn sport mode. In this mode you see AF-C and the continnous auto-focus does work in this mode as I can shoot highspeed series of running cars. Nowhere else you see AF-C and you can´t set it manually in any other mode(the camera will tell you that AFC is only avalable for filming)

Stephen Ingraham said:

By the way...when using Creative Styles, the 0 setting on contrast, saturation, and sharpening is NOT the same from style to style.

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I know, but it is really hard to tell what setting will be better or best because it depends on the situation and very ofter, things happen quickly and only once, so that you cannot try&error until you get the best result

Stephen Ingraham said:

Landscape Creative Style has a completely different profile than Standard, and different 0 settings for each of the components. Etc.

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Agree

Stephen Ingraham said:

The ability to fine tune the jpeg processing engine through Creative Styles is one of the things I really like about Sony cameras...and one of things that makes RAW unnecessary when shooting Sony...you can do most of what you would do in RAW conversion by tweaking the Creative Style settings. This is a good thing.

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it is nice, but it asks for a lot of testing an/or experience, when things happen quickly, you will newer have the time to adjust these 3 settings

laserx said:

Stephen Ingraham said:

laserx said:

Stephen Ingraham said:

I am not using Scene Selection Landscape mode...I am using Creative Styles: Landscape.

Click to expand...

ok, got it. Have to try it.

But did you notice, that Scene Selection Landscape mode uses Creative Styles: Std internally

Click to expand...

Creative Styles are the profiles applied in jpeg processing. You do not get to choose a Creative Style in any SCN Mode...but that does not mean it is set to Standard. It means the mode has its own profile...and, by the way, its own settings for DRO. I have yet to try Landscape mode on the Sony...I use it a lot on the Nikon P900...in place of HDR. I suspect Landscape Mode on the Sony will have boosted saturation in the greens and blues, some extra sharpening compared to Standard, and some built in DRO (perhaps quite a bit of DRO).

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If you dont have the Sony, so what are you takling about? I have it here and I can tell you that you can see the settings for any SCN Mode. All those that you cannot change are translucent gray and the creative style for landscape is std 0,0,0. And the reason why I am pretty sure that the translucent settings are the values that are really set for the respective profiles is due to the scn sport mode. In this mode you see AF-C and the continnous auto-focus does work in this mode as I can shoot highspeed series of running cars. Nowhere else you see AF-C and you can´t set it manually in any other mode(the camera will tell you that AFC is only avalable for filming)

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I do have the Sony HX90V and I had the Sony HX400V as well...and just because you can see the grayed out settings in the Function menu does not mean that they are the settings for that mode...it just means that it is showing the default display. Landscape Mode would hardly use Creative Style Standard ...that would defeat the purpose of the mode. Or that is my assumption. It is more likely that Sony is just not telling us what the jpeg settings are for Landscape Mode, or any other SCN mode we select.

laserx said:

laserx said:

By the way...when using Creative Styles, the 0 setting on contrast, saturation, and sharpening is NOT the same from style to style.

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I know, but it is really hard to tell what setting will be better or best because it depends on the situation and very ofter, things happen quickly and only once, so that you cannot try&error until you get the best result

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Since we are talking about the way the jpeg is processed, and only have control over contrast, saturation, and sharpness, I think it is possible to choose Creative Style settings for the types of pictures we take regularly. It is more to do with how the sensor in the camera is responding "in general" than it is to do with the changing situations. I experiment with Creative Styles for my HDR landscapes, for Macro, and for a kind of "general" category...then make those settings part of what I save in the Memory settings. I have basically 4 settings for most of my photography. Memory 1 is for HDR landscapes, Memory 2 is for general shots, and Memory 3 is for macro. Then I use Program if I want to fine tune...but that does not happen often...or I do use some of the Scene Selection modes on occasion (Sports and Anti-motion Blur...occasionally Sunset, etc). Finally, if I just want to shoot and not worry about it, I use Superior Auto.

laserx said:

laserx said:

Landscape Creative Style has a completely different profile than Standard, and different 0 settings for each of the components. Etc.

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Agree

laserx said:

The ability to fine tune the jpeg processing engine through Creative Styles is one of the things I really like about Sony cameras...and one of things that makes RAW unnecessary when shooting Sony...you can do most of what you would do in RAW conversion by tweaking the Creative Style settings. This is a good thing.

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it is nice, but it asks for a lot of testing an/or experience, when things happen quickly, you will newer have the time to adjust these 3 settings

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And that is what Superior Auto is for