Adobe appear to apply more pressure to subscribe!

Way to go in calling the OP a fool.
Wrong person who's being labelled a fool.
In reality though anyone buying the standalone version of LR6 is being mislead if Adobe doesn't make their ridiculous new policy obvious.
Well some people, who don't need to be named here, are often provided factual information they ignore or don't understand. Sometimes it's about the options for purchasing software, sometimes it's about color management and the number of visible colors. I can't force people to actually take the time to read pertinent information let alone assume they are smart enough to understand the information.
Obviously not in a way that's easy for people to notice.
People or you (and perhaps the OP who should speak for himself)?
The OP is not the only person that was misled. Adobe has always had a reputation for unethical business decisions.
And yet, you appear to be a customer. If their behavior is so egregious, why are you a paying customer?
 
Adobe has made this clear from the first day that LR6 was released. You don't have to find it reasonable, but you can't say you could not know this.
Exactly. This is about a price to benefit ratio. For many, it makes great financial sense, for others, not so much, don't subscribe. But Adobe has stated up front, for those who want to take the time to read the facts that the perpetual license will get bug fixes and camera support, NO NEW FEATURES. There's nothing unethical about it, this was spelled out for anyone who wants to read the facts and ignored by anyone who has an anti-Adobe agenda and just wants to waste everyone's time and vent.

No one put a gun to anyone's head to update, upgrade, subscribe. But some just can't take responsibility for their own actions.
Yeah, Adobe made it so obvious and yet here we have a thread where someone got fooled. He is not the only one.
So? There are many people who don't read manuals, brochures, news articles, or anything and then complain they didn't know something they should have known. You can't blame Adobe for that.
This is a BS unethical and misleading business tactic from Adobe. I have always been a huge fan of LR but this has got me thinking of moving on to something else.
You're free to do that. Do read the information of that other software before you buy it, though...
 
If the OP purchased Lr within the last thirty days they can return it. If more than 30 days, I'd see if they'd give you a credit against a subscription. Frankly I can't see how someone missed the differences between the products given all the electrons spent debating about it, but maybe Adobe would be willing to do something. Doesn't hurt to ask.
 
Yeah, Adobe made it so obvious and yet here we have a thread where someone got fooled. He is not the only one.
So? There are many people who don't read manuals, brochures, news articles, or anything and then complain they didn't know something they should have known. You can't blame Adobe for that.
Perhaps christom expects Thomas Knoll to come to his door and inform him of the differences between the two possible licensing schema's. Who know, his text suggesting Adobe is unethical and misleading is without merit and trolling.

As was just suggested by robgendreau, (thankfully text that aims to aid the OP unlike all the text from christom), if indeed he's within 30 days of purchase, he can get his money back or switch to the CC plan.

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Adobe has made this clear from the first day that LR6 was released. You don't have to find it reasonable, but you can't say you could not know this.
Exactly. This is about a price to benefit ratio. For many, it makes great financial sense, for others, not so much, don't subscribe. But Adobe has stated up front, for those who want to take the time to read the facts that the perpetual license will get bug fixes and camera support, NO NEW FEATURES. There's nothing unethical about it, this was spelled out for anyone who wants to read the facts and ignored by anyone who has an anti-Adobe agenda and just wants to waste everyone's time and vent.

No one put a gun to anyone's head to update, upgrade, subscribe. But some just can't take responsibility for their own actions.
Yeah, Adobe made it so obvious and yet here we have a thread where someone got fooled. He is not the only one.
So? There are many people who don't read manuals, brochures, news articles, or anything and then complain they didn't know something they should have known. You can't blame Adobe for that.
In this particular situation, where one can be easily misled, of course one can. Most apps get full updates for a year, where as in this case you are getting only partial updates. It's even more disgusting considering that LR was just released.
This is a BS unethical and misleading business tactic from Adobe. I have always been a huge fan of LR but this has got me thinking of moving on to something else.
You're free to do that. Do read the information of that other software before you buy it, though...
the competition isn't playing that unethical BS.
 
If the OP purchased Lr within the last thirty days they can return it. If more than 30 days, I'd see if they'd give you a credit against a subscription. Frankly I can't see how someone missed the differences between the products given all the electrons spent debating about it, but maybe Adobe would be willing to do something. Doesn't hurt to ask.
Most photographers are not reading and posting to forums.
 
If the OP purchased Lr within the last thirty days they can return it. If more than 30 days, I'd see if they'd give you a credit against a subscription. Frankly I can't see how someone missed the differences between the products given all the electrons spent debating about it, but maybe Adobe would be willing to do something. Doesn't hurt to ask.
Most photographers are not reading and posting to forums.
Ah, once again speaking for others, this time most photographers.
That says it all. Bye.
Still here?
 
Adobe is misleading customers.
Nonsense. People who don't read the facts as presented then tell others due to their own ignorance that a company who clearly spells out it's policy is the misleading party:

https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/06/june-updates-to-cc-photography.html

Lightroom CC 2015.1 and Lightroom 6.1 are now available on Adobe.com. The goal of this release is to provide additional camera raw support, lens profile support and address bugs that were introduced in previous releases of Lightroom. Lightroom on iOS v1.5 is also now available.

Bug fixes, Tethered capture, new camera and lens support updates are available in both Lightroom 6 and Lightroom CC.

Lightroom CC on the desktop
  • Dehaze*
    • Many outdoor scenes have some amount of haze due to atmospheric conditions. Dehaze is a new feature for removing/adding haze and fog from pictures.
    • The user can control how much haze to remove by adjusting a new slider in the Effects panel in the Dehaze section. This feature can also be used in the other direction to increase the amount of haze.
    • Recommended Workflow – Adjust the white balance of the image before applying the Dehaze control.
  • Local White and Black Adjustment Sliders*
    • Available with all 3 local adjustment tools: Gradient Filter, Radial Filter and Local adjustment brush
    • Useful for fine-tuning tonality near the brightest and darkest parts of the picture. For instance, they can be used to increase the contrast of highlights.
    • Recommended Workflow – Make your global adjustments first and then use the local adjustments to fine tune. Use the clip warning indicator to help avoid clipping highlights and shadows.
* Please note that these features are not available in the standalone version of Lightroom 6.1.
 
That's a meaningless link and text for this discussion. The Dehaze function wasn't known when most people bought the standalone version of LR6 so how could they know they wouldn't get it?
You're missing the point that Adobe here and elsewhere has stated that there will be NO new features in perpetual versions and there will be in subscription. That's WHY I outlined that part of the blog.

Want more links that spell this out?



More important, since the dawn of retail software, consumers have expected "point" releases to be free while "major" releases would need to be paid for.
And the point release IS free, it simply has no NEW features. It has bug fixes, camera support, new lens profiles etc.
Shame on Adobe for breaking that expectation without any explicit warning to LR6 buyers.
Living in a hole? You will be told when buying either licensing schema what you'll get, how much it cost, etc. I don't know what you think is explicit warning.
A company making that radical of a change in software support (because it's "been that way" for decades) must be signaling they don't really want to sell non-subscription software and hence we can guess they might refuse to sell non-subscription software in the future, which could be soon I suppose.
Fine, that's your choice. No one is putting a gun to your head. But to suggest Adobe and other sites, including DP Review didn't provide all the necessarily information to you and there's some hidden trickery going on so people can click "buy" without taking responsibility for their own actions is ridiculous.
 
That's a meaningless link and text for this discussion. The Dehaze function wasn't known when most people bought the standalone version of LR6 so how could they know they wouldn't get it?
You're missing the point that Adobe here and elsewhere has stated that there will be NO new features in perpetual versions and there will be in subscription. That's WHY I outlined that part of the blog.

Want more links that spell this out?

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom/versions.html

http://prodesigntools.com/differences-between-lightroom-6-cc-vs-5.html

http://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-cc6-myths-confusion/
More important, since the dawn of retail software, consumers have expected "point" releases to be free while "major" releases would need to be paid for.
And the point release IS free, it simply has no NEW features. It has bug fixes, camera support, new lens profiles etc.
Shame on Adobe for breaking that expectation without any explicit warning to LR6 buyers.
Living in a hole? You will be told when buying either licensing schema what you'll get, how much it cost, etc. I don't know what you think is explicit warning.
A company making that radical of a change in software support (because it's "been that way" for decades) must be signaling they don't really want to sell non-subscription software and hence we can guess they might refuse to sell non-subscription software in the future, which could be soon I suppose.
Fine, that's your choice. No one is putting a gun to your head. But to suggest Adobe and other sites, including DP Review didn't provide all the necessarily information to you and there's some hidden trickery going on so people can click "buy" without taking responsibility for their own actions is ridiculous.
 
Do you realize the ramifications of your post?
The sky will fall?
Basically, Adobe is purposefully divorcing CC-LR from LR by making them feature-inconsistent.
Yes they are. They did the same with Photoshop and the entire suite (e.g. CS6 vs. Photoshop CC). Life continued to move on.
If you think that won't confuse people to the point where they have to read multiple blogs to figure out what's what, not to mention create doubts about buying any stand-alone software from them again....
I don't know what confuses people these days, doesn't appear to be much, but I know people have to take responsibility for all kinds of actions when buying all kinds of products. I'm not willing to believe that there is some evil, deceiving actions going on with Adobe because some folks don't read up on what they might purchase, that some schema for a product may change.
Lastly, no one has put a gun to my head to buy LR6 and from what Adobe is signaling, it's less likely I will.
And I'm fine with that, don't. But let's be adults here; some have stated Adobe's change in licensing is a Dishonest and Unethical Way to Do Business. That some how they are tricking poor innocent photographers which is nonsense.
 
Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
Adobe has made this clear from the first day that LR6 was released. You don't have to find it reasonable, but you can't say you could not know this.
 
Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
Adobe has made this clear from the first day that LR6 was released. You don't have to find it reasonable, but you can't say you could not know this.

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Adobe doesn't give a rat's behind about what anyone thinks. Their business model is to stick a large needle into you veins so they can keep sucking you dry. I said good buy to Adobe a long time ago. Micro sucks proposed the leasing model a long time ago - you didn't own the OS you leased it which required a yearly fee - but there was so much push back they backed down. Clearly Adobe hasn't felt the push back. There are plenty of very good - probably better - imaging packages out there where you buy and own. With Adobe - you don't own it you rent it.
I don't think this discussion will change anyone's mind. Some folks are always gonna hate the notion of subscription, and I notice most seem only to use Lr, not Ps. Obviously the sub is a much better deal if you use Ps.

And other outfits are going that direction: Mylio, Capture One, MS. Even arguably Apple, since Photos without a subscription to iCloud Photo Library isn't that useful.

The lesson is to learn about the licenses you buy. I don't plop my money down without checking that out; with Lr for example I needed to know about installing on a PC, what happened when I terminate the sub, how upgrades work, etc. And since I use Ps I saw how the new features were being pushed out, and liked that, so that was a reason to switch to the sub.

And the sub model is quite successful for Adobe, so I expect it to continue. The whole shebang CC subscription is the real bomb, however; if you only ever want Lr, meh. Maybe consider something else.
 
Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
First of all Adobe was very, very clear from the onset that the standalone LR6 would not be getting feature updates, only bug fixes and camera/lens additions. It even said so on the feature comparison page, which compared LRCC, LR6 and LR5.7. It was explicitly mentioned on their site, and it caused a major s**t-storm on the internet, including here. If you missed it, you must have been out shooting instead of being online. ;)

Second of all, Adobe never added new functionality to LR in point updates. They did bug fixes, minor tweaks and camera/lens profiles. They saved functional changes for major releases, so in effect the type of updates the standalone version is getting now are exactly the same type of updates Adobe was giving Lightroom users before.

So what exactly changed that all of a sudden standalone buyers are now entitled to functionality they did not pay for? Just because a different product (LR CC) gets an update with certain features and people are willing to pay money to get those features does not mean that people that don't want to pay for those features all of a sudden have some magical intrinsic right to get those features as well, for free.

If you want those features, you can a) subscribe to CC or b) wait for next year's release of LR7. And then you are lucky Adobe is switching to a annual release planning instead of their 18-24 month cycle they had before. And that's not unreasonable or deceitful as some others claim.

PS: to some others in this thread: it is not the responsibility of the manufacturer to explain the differences of various products. It is the responsibility of the customer to gather all the information necessary to make a balanced decision before purchase. In this particular case, Adobe had it on their product page, they further explained it on their corporate blog, they had videos with their product evangelists explaining it. So in my opinion, Adobe went out of their way and beyond what was required for them to do to make sure potential customers could make a balanced purchase decision. If you see an upgrade posted and think 'ow cool', *click* buy and then find out it is not what you expected, you are to blame, not in this case Adobe.
 
Do you realize the ramifications of your post?
The sky will fall?
Basically, Adobe is purposefully divorcing CC-LR from LR by making them feature-inconsistent.
Yes they are. They did the same with Photoshop and the entire suite (e.g. CS6 vs. Photoshop CC). Life continued to move on.
If you think that won't confuse people to the point where they have to read multiple blogs to figure out what's what, not to mention create doubts about buying any stand-alone software from them again....
I don't know what confuses people these days, doesn't appear to be much, but I know people have to take responsibility for all kinds of actions when buying all kinds of products. I'm not willing to believe that there is some evil, deceiving actions going on with Adobe because some folks don't read up on what they might purchase, that some schema for a product may change.
Lastly, no one has put a gun to my head to buy LR6 and from what Adobe is signaling, it's less likely I will.
And I'm fine with that, don't. But let's be adults here; some have stated Adobe's change in licensing is a Dishonest and Unethical Way to Do Business. That some how they are tricking poor innocent photographers which is nonsense.
Obviously, it is. You're an Adobe apologist so you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
 
Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
First of all Adobe was very, very clear from the onset that the standalone LR6 would not be getting feature updates, only bug fixes and camera/lens additions. It even said so on the feature comparison page, which compared LRCC, LR6 and LR5.7.
Wrong. What it said back then is what it still says. Here, I've highlighted it for you in this screenshot I took on my iPad. This is from the site area where you can buy the standalone version of Lightroom 6. Typical Adobe obfuscation BS.

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Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
First of all Adobe was very, very clear from the onset that the standalone LR6 would not be getting feature updates, only bug fixes and camera/lens additions. It even said so on the feature comparison page, which compared LRCC, LR6 and LR5.7.
Wrong. What it said back then is what it still says. Here, I've highlighted it for you in this screenshot I took on my iPad. This is from the site area where you can buy the standalone version of Lightroom 6. Typical Adobe obfuscation BS.

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You know, just for sjits and giggles I went to the internet archive and pulled up the "what's new" page for Lightroom on 4/22, one day after release of LR6/CC.

Maybe I am crazy, but personally the "what's new" page is the first thing I check out before deciding to buy or upgrade. You know, because it generally gives me a clear list of things that are different. But that's just me.

Here's the link, for your convenience: https://web.archive.org/web/2015042...om/products/photoshop-lightroom/features.html

I challenge you to post here exactly what it says there right when you open the page, before the feature list and in a bigger type than those features. Oh, and it still says the same thing on the current Adobe site too.

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Obviously, it is. You're an Adobe apologist so you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
You're about the last person who has a clue about facts bud.

So let's all see if we can understand your rants. And this confusion vortex Adobe set out. Let's use the OP as a case study since he wrote: Adobe appear to apply more pressure to subscribe!

Fact: the OP understands there is some difference between LR6 perpetual and LRCC or he wouldn't have asked the question he did. So unlike some, he's not living under a rock, he is aware there are two purchasing possibilities.

We are to believe he and others go to Adobe and without doing a lick of research about the differences in the to possibilities, he just buys LR 6 perpetual. Then he finds out, without any further pre or post purchase research that CC customers get new functionality because they subscribe (the subscription carrot, no question) but he doesn't. Because of this, he asks if Adobe is applying pressure to subscribe. Damn straight they are! It's an ADVANTAGE provided for subscribers. Try connecting the dots.

As pointed out, traditionally since LR was a product, major new features appeared at major releases cycles (LR1 to LR2, LR2 to LR3 etc). Not within dot releases. So we so called Adobe apologist (I'd say realists) knew that if we wanted new features, we paid to upgrade the next major version. Stop me if this is news to you bud.

And the OP will have that opportunity to upgrade to new features as well. When LR7 perpetual ships in maybe two years, he can pay again for an upgrade and have all the features the subscribers got months and years earlier.

These are facts!

We Adobe realists are supposed to believe that someone with a credit card burning a hole in their pocket is unaware of this despite the text being presented to them on the Adobe site when they go to buy the product. We're supposed to believe that any purchase of anything bears no responsibly on our actions, if we're not clear on what we are buying, it's the fault of the company. I don't know what odd flat earth planet you live on, but where I come from, people who buy products have to take a little responsibly for their actions, they don't make up trolling posts such as linking a company as unethical and misleading because they didn't RTMF or the specifics of what they are purchasing. Stupid people mislead themselves by their own doing and then love to blame their stupidity on some big company. Got a mirror? I'm not buying into that nonsense and neither are some others here.

BTW, I thought you were leaving.
 
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Having just bought LR6 I am disappointed to learn that new features included in the latest ACR will only be enjoyed by those who subscribe. They will not be included in a mid life update to the standalone version. I feel a little bit seen-off. After all LR is just a fancy front end to ACR with a nice database function. OK and a bit more.

There will be folks out there who think this is reasonable....Hmmm...still struggling with that!
First of all Adobe was very, very clear from the onset that the standalone LR6 would not be getting feature updates, only bug fixes and camera/lens additions. It even said so on the feature comparison page, which compared LRCC, LR6 and LR5.7.
Wrong. What it said back then is what it still says. Here, I've highlighted it for you in this screenshot I took on my iPad. This is from the site area where you can buy the standalone version of Lightroom 6. Typical Adobe obfuscation BS.

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If you troll or flame, I stop responding. Get back on topic, I continue responding. Forums are for freely discussing and debating topics. Don't take it personal if I disagree with you.
You know, just for sjits and giggles I went to the internet archive and pulled up the "what's new" page for Lightroom on 4/22, one day after release of LR6/CC.

Maybe I am crazy, but personally the "what's new" page is the first thing I check out before deciding to buy or upgrade. You know, because it generally gives me a clear list of things that are different. But that's just me.

Here's the link, for your convenience: https://web.archive.org/web/2015042...om/products/photoshop-lightroom/features.html

I challenge you to post here exactly what it says there right when you open the page, before the feature list and in a bigger type than those features. Oh, and it still says the same thing on the current Adobe site too.
No problem. Here you go :D

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If you troll or flame, I stop responding. Get back on topic, I continue responding. Forums are for freely discussing and debating topics. Don't take it personal if I disagree with you.
 

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