My 26 years with Canon may come to an end. Not really but...

Please show me one example where shooting Canon has stopped you from getting the shot.
Misdirected, non-pertinent and a perfect self-enclosed logical impossibility, all in one.
I guess Sony fanboys trolling this forum are well directed and very pertinent. Give me a break.

Most of the time people complaining have never come close to reaching even half the potential of their gear. For them the grass is always greener on the other side.
Guilty as charged. I hadn't even begun to tap the potential of my slide rule when I traded it in for an HP calculator. And, I'm ashamed to even talk about how I tossed out a perfectly good sextant in favor of a gps box. Regards. -iwbs
 
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And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated. Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Beta radiation is the emission of electrons. What specific element is emitting beta radiation and can you cite articles that back up your assertion?
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post. Id rather withdraw it. You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Beta radiation is the emission of electrons. What specific element is emitting beta radiation and can you cite articles that back up your assertion?
You can check my latest answer. I'm assuming ignorance and withdrawing my post.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post.
You can do that?
Id rather withdraw it.
There are many who should follow your example. ;-)
You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
I think that's how people normally go about their daily lives. By the way, you might find this interesting:

 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post.
You can do that?
Id rather withdraw it.
There are many who should follow your example. ;-)
You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
I think that's how people normally go about their daily lives. By the way, you might find this interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-15446/Mobiles-linked-eye-cancer.html
I'm a researcher and I recognize when I get trapped into repeating things without evidence. Can't go through that "heard about that". I hate it when I see it, so I should refrain doing that as much.

Oh this might turn into a recommendation to change optician. Can't be treated by people with flawed readings :/
 
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And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post.
You can do that?
Id rather withdraw it.
There are many who should follow your example. ;-)
You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
I think that's how people normally go about their daily lives. By the way, you might find this interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-15446/Mobiles-linked-eye-cancer.html
I'm a researcher and I recognize when I get trapped into repeating things without evidence. Can't go through that "heard about that". I hate it when I see it, so I should refrain doing that as much.
We all repeat what we heard -- communication would be terribly difficult if we didn't. But the way you manned up when challenged on your claim is commendable. The sin is when people start making things up or intentionally distort fact so they don't have to retract their original claim.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post.
You can do that?
Id rather withdraw it.
There are many who should follow your example. ;-)
You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
I think that's how people normally go about their daily lives. By the way, you might find this interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-15446/Mobiles-linked-eye-cancer.html
I'm a researcher and I recognize when I get trapped into repeating things without evidence. Can't go through that "heard about that". I hate it when I see it, so I should refrain doing that as much.
We all repeat what we heard -- communication would be terribly difficult if we didn't. But the way you manned up when challenged on your claim is commendable. The sin is when people start making things up or intentionally distort fact so they don't have to retract their original claim.
I know hahahahhahaha Schopenhauer wrote once (38 ways to win an argument) that when a discussion starts, the first thing to be abandoned is reason itself and that it is not anymore about who's right, but who holds up for longer an argument (despite reason). That's some real self delusion, a complete loss of time and yet one of the most natural things we end up doing as you said :D.

And you posted a hell of a good article. I was reading something this week about the lack of reproducibility of studies in behavior being an issue nowadays. Guess it is not plaguing just my research field.
 
And say hi to eye cancer with that beautiful viewfinder from Sony. Beta radiation with less than a 5cm distance isn't smart. Plenty of snipers developed that as a result.
Worse than fluoridated water, eh? :-D
Nah that one is pretty much exaggerated.
You lie. ;-)
Well, I'm no bio guy to say things against my optician, but you're welcome to prove me the opposite.
Right after you prove that "plenty of snipers" have gotten eye cancer as a result of EVFs.
I filled a complain against my own post.
You can do that?
Id rather withdraw it.
There are many who should follow your example. ;-)
You have a point. I'm just repeating what I heard people say.
I think that's how people normally go about their daily lives. By the way, you might find this interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-15446/Mobiles-linked-eye-cancer.html
I'm a researcher and I recognize when I get trapped into repeating things without evidence. Can't go through that "heard about that". I hate it when I see it, so I should refrain doing that as much.
We all repeat what we heard -- communication would be terribly difficult if we didn't. But the way you manned up when challenged on your claim is commendable. The sin is when people start making things up or intentionally distort fact so they don't have to retract their original claim.
I know hahahahhahaha Schopenhauer wrote once (38 ways to win an argument) that when a discussion starts, the first thing to be abandoned is reason itself and that it is not anymore about who's right, but who holds up for longer an argument (despite reason). That's some real self delusion, a complete loss of time and yet one of the most natural things we end up doing as you said :D.

And you posted a hell of a good article. I was reading something this week about the lack of reproducibility of studies in behavior being an issue nowadays. Guess it is not plaguing just my research field.
Quite the noble retraction, ppires85.

...I had never thought about this now that you've mentioned it, I guess that this falls it the vast, vast category of things that we are happy and eager to adopt without actually fully testing first what harm it may do.

What harm may an electronic display so close to an eye do?

Only time will tell.

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Quite the noble retraction, ppires85.

...I had never thought about this now that you've mentioned it, I guess that this falls it the vast, vast category of things that we are happy and eager to adopt without actually fully testing first what harm it may do.

What harm may an electronic display so close to an eye do?
Yes, I suspect we won't "know" for quite a while. VR does this as well, fortunately only a few of us can spend a long time with the headsets on without stomach issues. :) I hadn't really thought about this either, I look forward to the inevitable studies that will be delayed by the money involved in selling such things to us.
Only time will tell.
Indeed, sadly it will be too late for many if there is indeed a problem with such things.
 
Quite the noble retraction, ppires85.

...I had never thought about this now that you've mentioned it, I guess that this falls it the vast, vast category of things that we are happy and eager to adopt without actually fully testing first what harm it may do.

What harm may an electronic display so close to an eye do?
Yes, I suspect we won't "know" for quite a while. VR does this as well, fortunately only a few of us can spend a long time with the headsets on without stomach issues. :) I hadn't really thought about this either, I look forward to the inevitable studies that will be delayed by the money involved in selling such things to us.
Only time will tell.
Indeed, sadly it will be too late for many if there is indeed a problem with such things.
Yes, the other half of the truth is that a lot of technology comes to the market without being studied properly. One recent example is like minor things such as the Nintendo 3Ds that is giving something as simples as short term headaches, which are nothing that huge to worry about. We also see that type of thing happening a lot in the food market with things such as whey protein and other stuff people use for workouts. But they start to sell before doing research.

Good thing that the studies on cellphone screens weren't able to bring anything conclusive. On the other hand, as you guys say, EVFs are something of a different scenario and studies would prove to be handy for us to be sure it is alright or if it is capable of bringing harm. I mean a lot of photographers for events spend a lot of time looking through the viewfinder.

But there's a need for proper studies for sure. Until then, I guess there's nothing to worry about. Maybe people would have something already after using similar technology such as those videogames that used screens? Also the video game market is progressing towards the use of products as smart glasses, oculus rift and other things. There might be some specific research underway.
 
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Please show me one example where shooting Canon has stopped you from getting the shot.
Misdirected, non-pertinent and a perfect self-enclosed logical impossibility, all in one.
I guess Sony fanboys trolling this forum are well directed and very pertinent. Give me a break.

Most of the time people complaining have never come close to reaching even half the potential of their gear. For them the grass is always greener on the other side.
Guilty as charged. I hadn't even begun to tap the potential of my slide rule when I traded it in for an HP calculator. And, I'm ashamed to even talk about how I tossed out a perfectly good sextant in favor of a gps box. Regards. -iwbs
You made my day with that witty reply. Thank you! :)
 
For the first time, I'm looking at having my main body be a non-Canon body, the Sony A7RII. I will keep my Canon bodies.

I do mostly wildlife and nature photography, the 600mm f/4 II is my go-to lens, and I've got the 5D3 and 7D2 (and 4 GoPros, 2 drones).
As somebody who currently shoots Sony, I'd say you should wait until the reviews come out to ensure that you are not disappointed and that the Sony is fit for your purpose. Historically AF performance on adapted lenses was very poor, but the first looks say that the new A7Rii has "decent" AF performance. I'd wait for real reviews to see the final conclusion. I'm cautiously optimistic. For example, many people say that (current) A7ii AF isn't suitable for sports, but I've been using it for 6 months now to shoot my daughter's hockey without major issues. If that performance can be extended to adapted lenses on the new A7Rii, that will be amazing.
I love both the 5D3 and 7D2, but after shooting 4K with my DJI Inspire and viewing it on my 5K monitor, I need to have the capability to shoot in 4K as well as take great photos.

I can definitely split the tasks with one body for still and one for video, but it seems that one doesn't have to with the Sony.

I have been really concerned about the pace of technology innovation with Canon. Wireless is an expensive add-on? GPS finally shows up in 7D2? Mirrorless tech is still on the horizon? You can shoot in 1080p, but not 4K?

If I can hear that I can use the 600mm f/4 II (and extenders) with the Sony A7RII with focus on par with the 5D3, I think it will be time to switch over.
If I can use these Canon lenses on the Sony, I'll be upgrading my current Sony to the new one and buying a couple canon lenses. Sony currently has a huge hole in their lens lineup >200mm, which is the biggest problem I currently have. I'd like a 300 or 400 mm lens with decent AF for sports.
 
Guilty as charged. I hadn't even begun to tap the potential of my slide rule when I traded it in for an HP calculator. And, I'm ashamed to even talk about how I tossed out a perfectly good sextant in favor of a gps box. Regards. -iwbs
One thing which did happen as people adopted calculators to replace their slide rules: many of them stopped estimating the sensible answer to their calculation in order to check the result. With a slide rule you must determine where the decimal point goes because the device won't do it for you, which means having a general idea of the answer's proper value range. Many students around me were getting nonsensical answers with their hyper-accurate calculators because they just punched the numbers in and assumed that there were no errors in their data entry or order. And I've seen people blithely tag locations in photos with incorrect GPS data; it's not unheard of for the mapping sw to incorrectly interpret the GPS and put you miles away from your actual location. My car does this sometimes, and if I didn't know roughly where I was it would be incredibly confusing on some trips. Just because GPS is a very accurate system doesn't mean that every implementation is flawless.

Much the same thing happens with modern cameras (and has with every technology upgrade) : people assume that with the improved tech comes infallibility, and start expecting the camera to compensate for their errors. If you point a camera at a backlit scene and get an unrealistic exposure value, would you notice before taking the shot? Modern metering systems aren't too good with backlight. I'm not great at this, but I can at least compensate for it via spot or EC from experience.

I've heard complaints about the Sony EVF in this regard as well: when the viewfinder automatically compensates for low scene brightness, how quickly can you determine whether the shot is going to be correctly exposed? Personally, I tested a couple of the Sony A7 series and just don't like the laggy little TV-like image; that plus the uncomfortably small body tell me I'm not going to be a customer yet.
 
I'm a Canon user (7D and previously 5d2) who also owns an A7r. You just can't beat that sensor (and the size). The sensor has so much latitude it's kind of amazing, and I assume the new one will be similar. I love Canon bodies, I prefer using them in every way over the Sony, but that sensor is unbeatable. Canon needs to see the light as it were, and get their sensors into the modern era in terms of DR.
 
Guilty as charged. I hadn't even begun to tap the potential of my slide rule when I traded it in for an HP calculator. And, I'm ashamed to even talk about how I tossed out a perfectly good sextant in favor of a gps box. Regards. -iwbs
One thing which did happen as people adopted calculators to replace their slide rules: many of them stopped estimating the sensible answer to their calculation in order to check the result. With a slide rule you must determine where the decimal point goes because the device won't do it for you, which means having a general idea of the answer's proper value range. Many students around me were getting nonsensical answers with their hyper-accurate calculators because they just punched the numbers in and assumed that there were no errors in their data entry or order. And I've seen people blithely tag locations in photos with incorrect GPS data; it's not unheard of for the mapping sw to incorrectly interpret the GPS and put you miles away from your actual location. My car does this sometimes, and if I didn't know roughly where I was it would be incredibly confusing on some trips. Just because GPS is a very accurate system doesn't mean that every implementation is flawless.

Much the same thing happens with modern cameras (and has with every technology upgrade) : people assume that with the improved tech comes infallibility, and start expecting the camera to compensate for their errors. If you point a camera at a backlit scene and get an unrealistic exposure value, would you notice before taking the shot? Modern metering systems aren't too good with backlight. I'm not great at this, but I can at least compensate for it via spot or EC from experience.

I've heard complaints about the Sony EVF in this regard as well: when the viewfinder automatically compensates for low scene brightness, how quickly can you determine whether the shot is going to be correctly exposed? Personally, I tested a couple of the Sony A7 series and just don't like the laggy little TV-like image; that plus the uncomfortably small body tell me I'm not going to be a customer yet.
It is certainly the case that, as tools get more sophisticated and capable, some users will not be able to keep up, i.e., figure out how to use them correctly. But, that doesn't mean, for example, that we should have stuck with slide rules (or even abacuses) for the sake of the slow learners or sloppy users.

I reject the lame argument, put forward by some, that we must continue to use an antiquated tool until we completely"master" that tool (whatever that means). If that were the case, we'd all still be toiling away with film (or maybe even flash plate) cameras, or maybe we'd still be sketching things with pen and ink. No, as camera makers bring to market significant improvements, such as enhanced DR, better high ISO performance, faster more accurate AF, higher resolution, higher fps, etc., I'm going to upgrade (at reasonable intervals, of course). Sure, I need to keep improving my own skills as a photographer, but I'd prefer to do so with better tools. Regards. -iwbs
 

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