A7rii - seven 'game changing' features ...

  1. No curved sensor (would a future model gain a lot, e.g. corner performance?)
Uh, I might not be right here, but to actually utilize a curved sensor, you might also need redesigned lenses. At least those which focus to the non-curved plane sensor. So not gonna happen.
Perhaps not?

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/...reates-curved-cmos-sensors-that-mimic-the-eye

Edge/corner improvement on current 'fabled' lenses?

Edge/corner improvement on current 'fabled' lenses?

Curved sensor realization?

Curved sensor realization?
Actually, that image supports what I said: the curved sensor is only useful for the lenses that have a curved focal plane, either by being designed explicitly for the curved sensor, or e.g. being a cheap lens where only the central performance was deemed important as a cost saving measure.

This is not true for all lenses, however. Normally, engineers have to deal with this and design optics around it, at least partially. This is what causes a wavy field curvature that can be seen on quite a lot of MFT graphs. Do note that if these lenses would be used with a curved sensor, the resultant sharpness can even decrease due to these very corrections. If however, you have a lens that does not have these corrections, the result could be better IQ. Note, however, that many high-end lenses do incorporate these corrections.

Try to imagine the curvature of the sensor over an MTF graph. If they correlate, the curved sensor could give better IQ, provided the field curvature is the cause of the loss of sharpness. If they do not correlate, the lens is better off with a flat sensor.

tl;dr: The image shows an extremely simple lens to get the point across. Using a lens designed to correct to a flat sensor on a curved is not ideal.

(Plus, in other cases, the curvature is not significant enough to impact the picture, which would make the more expensive curved sensor a waste of money.)
 
The Sony machines become viable when shutter lag equals or outstrips rivals in its brevity, and when battery life equals or surpasses, in one charge, and in one battery the life of rivals.

So far this is not the case, and therefore they are still toys. Nice toys, but toys. In addition the ergonomics of plastering the rear screen with scratches and prints as you cannot reverse it into the body like any real camera can (from the Canon G1 of 15 years ago onward, has one seriously doubt whether Sony in fact intends them for anything other than the toy market.

I own Sonys, but the Best is still the R1. It has a twist and flip screen that does not get scratched, and a battery that lasts ages, far longer than a Nex6 or 7, let alone a full-frame monster trying to run off the same lens.

It would be nice too if they copied Nikon and Canon and Pentax in the usefulness of dials and buttons, as I NEVER want to see a Sony Menu again!! By the time you have changed settings on purpose (rather than accidentally which on a Nex happens ALL the time, the image you wanted has long gone.

Dont get me wrong: this certainly IS the future, but Sony are risking their future by refusing to get everything right, and they are doing it deliberately, like their super 4K TVs that will refuse to show any image other than a jpeg of 10MB or less!! and demand of anyone wanting to use their own HDDs that they "register" them with the TV first, a process which requires you reformat your hard drive!!

Great TVs, shame you cannot see your high res pics on their high res 4K screens, eh?
 
However, it is possible to produce a product that itself has no single game changing feature. One can do this with a product that offers a range of features not offered before in a single products. When one looks at the features present in the a7Rii, it might be possible to make a case that it is a game-changing product. We shall see it it truly is.
Disagree. Gaming changing is also putting already existing features into a single body for the first time. Particularly when those features have traditionally been considered mutually exclusive for technology reasons.
Isn't that essentially what I said in the paragraph above?
 
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However, it is possible to produce a product that itself has no single game changing feature. One can do this with a product that offers a range of features not offered before in a single products. When one looks at the features present in the a7Rii, it might be possible to make a case that it is a game-changing product. We shall see it it truly is.
Disagree. Gaming changing is also putting already existing features into a single body for the first time. Particularly when those features have traditionally been considered mutually exclusive for technology reasons.
Isn't that essentially what I said in the paragraph above?
I guess I got a little too excited and skimmed the last paragraph too quickly :)
 
I use my cameras mostly for traveling, and I shoot both photos and video (not casual video but something more ambitious). I own an A7r, an A7s and a GH4. To me, what is ground breaking is that I can finally get really top notch photos and videos from a single reasonably sized camera, and not be forced to make a choice or to bring more than one camera.

Terry
 
So far this is not the case, and therefore they are still toys. Nice toys, but toys. In addition the ergonomics of plastering the rear screen with scratches and prints as you cannot reverse it into the body like any real camera can (from the Canon G1 of 15 years ago onward, has one seriously doubt whether Sony in fact intends them for anything other than the toy market.

eh?
So your saying cameras like the Canon 5Diii, 1DX or Nikon D810 and D4 are "toys" because they don't have a swivel screen. Please, if that's your requirement for a "real camera" there are no shortage of point and shoots to choose from.

I've had Canon's in the past with the flip out swivel screen which I disliked. I much rather the tilt screen on my current A7 and have not had any issues with scratches. Smudges wipe of in seconds, no big deal.
 
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I use my cameras mostly for traveling, and I shoot both photos and video (not casual video but something more ambitious). I own an A7r, an A7s and a GH4. To me, what is ground breaking is that I can finally get really top notch photos and videos from a single reasonably sized camera, and not be forced to make a choice or to bring more than one camera.
Yes, a huge advantage. I pack both a DSLR (now an A7II) and lenses and accessories PLUS a 4K video camera and accessories. Ideally with the A7RII this will cut my load in half.
 
Does anyone know if the IBIS will continue to function when an OIS lens is attached? Does the IBIS cut off when it senses an OIS lens?
In the case of a OSS lens on an IBIS body, the camera will use the lens OSS for pitch and yaw, and the IBIS for roll, x, and y.

Jim

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Does anyone know if the IBIS will continue to function when an OIS lens is attached? Does the IBIS cut off when it senses an OIS lens?
In the case of a OSS lens on an IBIS body, the camera will use the lens OSS for pitch and yaw, and the IBIS for roll, x, and y.

Jim
 
......but consider a few points and you may understand why so many people are over the moon. First, lots of folks said that IBIS couldn't be done on a FF camera because it's too much mass to move and Sony did it for the first time on a FF camera with the A7II
Had they not heard of the A900 in 2008 and the A850?
 
The Sony machines become viable when shutter lag equals or outstrips rivals in its brevity, and when battery life equals or surpasses, in one charge, and in one battery the life of rivals.
I guess this issue about battery life must be for video users. Every battery runs down. I prefer the flexibility of the Sony battery. I prefer the flexibility of not adding an extra 1/4 pound to the camera for additional battery capacity, whether I need it or not. For most situations one full battery is enough. If it isn't, I simply carry one or two spares with me. It take 5 seconds to change the battery. If you prefer the weight, buy a battery grip.
 
Some "game changing" features in the past (for system ILC), don't remember who started them:

1. IBIS (A100?)

2. Shallow flange to sensor distance so other manufacture's lenses can be adapted (NEX?).

3. EVF and true liveview.

4. Video capability.

There are still some well entrenched DSLR holy grail that the A7RII is challenging.

1. Fast PDAF tracking AF, we shall see how good the 399 PDAF truly is when pit against the "champs". A7RII might have the goods to throw a knock out punch.

2. OVF, like it or not some people must have this despite all the negatives a mirror brings. EVF so good that OVF fanatics are moving over will be a game changer. 0.78X adds a lot to that argument but still not quite there yet I don't think.

Other "game changing" trends:

iPhone like intuitive control interface yet capable of current DSLR level flexible. Leica Q is heading in that direction but not ILC. Sony QX also but app and wifi too cumbersome and weak.
 
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Some "game changing" features in the past (for system ILC), don't remember who started them:

There are still some well entrenched DSLR holy grail that the A7RII is challenging.

1. Fast PDAF tracking AF, we shall see how good the 399 PDAF truly is when pit against the "champs". A7RII might have the goods to throw a knock out punch.
Yes just having more AF points doesn't mean it's faster, it actually takes more processing power to handle those extra points. Use any system with a small center cluster, then use the entire array, it's usually quicker and more accurate with the small cluster. Plus, the actually tracking ability is as dependent on the lens speed as the camera's.

I have a feeling there will be some broken hearts and lots of sweeping under the rug once the reviews start showing up.
2. OVF, like it or not some people must have this despite all the negatives a mirror brings. EVF so good that OVF fanatics are moving over will be a game changer. 0.78X adds a lot to that argument but still not quite there yet I don't think.
I own an A77II, with one of the best EVFs out there. I can easily say it isn't as pretty as any OVF I have ever used. It's bigger than apsc OVFs which is one reason I wanted it, but it's not nearly as nice to look through. It's useful but not enjoyable.

If I could have everything an A77II has but with a FF sized OVF, I would easily choose the OVF. The A7RII might have a slightly larger EVF than the FF OVFs, but I suspect I would feel the same comparing the two. Many people just like the look of an OVF, they are cleaner, sharper, more responsive. Sure they don't have all that info but not everybody needs all that info.

My A77II is a keeper but im still not convinced the OVF will ever die, it's much more enjoyable to look at IMO.
 
Some "game changing" features in the past (for system ILC), don't remember who started them:

There are still some well entrenched DSLR holy grail that the A7RII is challenging.

1. Fast PDAF tracking AF, we shall see how good the 399 PDAF truly is when pit against the "champs". A7RII might have the goods to throw a knock out punch.
Yes just having more AF points doesn't mean it's faster, it actually takes more processing power to handle those extra points. Use any system with a small center cluster, then use the entire array, it's usually quicker and more accurate with the small cluster. Plus, the actually tracking ability is as dependent on the lens speed as the camera's.

I have a feeling there will be some broken hearts and lots of sweeping under the rug once the reviews start showing up.
If your argument is correct, single point AF should be the fastest!

Granted more AF points does not mean faster AF but it could be if there are enough processing power to back them up. With more AF coverage and a bid of predictive "fuzzy logic" the camera can track the subject over more of the scene even if we are not comparing speed.

We are comparing tracking and AF speed of 2 different bodies and presumably exact same lens not different lenses are we not? You can also say amount of ambient light has a lot to do with AF but again we are assuming same lighting condition right?

I admit I was a little "brokenhearted" that the A6000 did not live up to the hype but who gets it right the first time out?
2. OVF, like it or not some people must have this despite all the negatives a mirror brings. EVF so good that OVF fanatics are moving over will be a game changer. 0.78X adds a lot to that argument but still not quite there yet I don't think.
I own an A77II, with one of the best EVFs out there. I can easily say it isn't as pretty as any OVF I have ever used. It's bigger than apsc OVFs which is one reason I wanted it, but it's not nearly as nice to look through. It's useful but not enjoyable.

If I could have everything an A77II has but with a FF sized OVF, I would easily choose the OVF. The A7RII might have a slightly larger EVF than the FF OVFs, but I suspect I would feel the same comparing the two. Many people just like the look of an OVF, they are cleaner, sharper, more responsive. Sure they don't have all that info but not everybody needs all that info.

My A77II is a keeper but im still not convinced the OVF will ever die, it's much more enjoyable to look at IMO.
Yes, hence I am not selling my A900 but reasons for holding out is getting thinner.
 

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