Am I crackers? J5 or Olympus OMD EM 5?

The answer to the first question is likely yes... :) So lets just focus on the 2nd...

I have really enjoyed the J5 images thus far. Since I have the v3 was figuring lets skip the v4 and just get the J5. On B&H site shopping (highly dangerous). The Oly OMD EM5 is on closeout (with the 2nd gen MK2 OMD EM5 out...) at a couple of bucks more than the Nikon J5. WOW!
To me, this seems like a no brainer. But everyone has their own opinions. If you like the J5, then you should buy it, and not worry about comparing it to anything else. After all, it's your money.
The Oly appears to be a pretty sweet LITTLE camera, although it is a few years old now. It has the tilty screen, touch screen, and the slightly larger sensor. IQ who knows but likely pretty good.
You forgot a few more things the EM5 has that the J5 lacks:
  • weather sealed
  • magnesium alloy body
  • IBIS
  • EVF
  • Not a "slightly larger sensor"... one TWICE as large!
Of course, the J5 has a few advantages of it's own. Like built in WIFI, more focus points, higher resolution, smaller and lighter footprint, and an incredibly fast burst rate.

In the end, just buy whatever suits you best. And please remember, you are comparing a brand new camera against a three year old camera on clearance sale. If you are looking for a bargain the one on clearance is the way to go.

Yes, the prices are close today. But that's like comparing a ten year old BMW to a brand new Chevy. The price will be close, but the quality and features will be a lot different.
I was also looking at getting the 32mm N1 lens as I have some family and friend portrait stuff I have been asked to do. (I guess my Sr. Pics for my now 19 year old son were well liked!) But the N1 CX 32mm is just shy of $900 USD. I can get the OMD with a used Oly Zuiko 45mm M4/3 or a brand new Sigma 60mm (120mm EQV) for LESS than the N1 32mm. The entire OMD, Kit lens (likely pretty poor but hey) and the $209 Sigma would only be $709. Cheaper than the N1 32mm alone.
There are currently over one hundred lenses sold that come with a native MFT lens mount. A dazzling array of primes that cover everything from 5.8mm to 400mm (11.6 to 800mm in FF terms) and there are around eight that are F/1.2 or faster. So if you plan to use a lot of different lenses (without resorting to adapters), then the advantage goes to the EM5.
It really has me questioning the value of the J5 (and certainly the N1 32mm). Granted the OMD EM5 went for over a grand when new...and this price is darn cheap (closeout).
As you point out yourself, there really isn't a bargain priced J5. $500 is what everyone sells their entry level ILC cameras for. If you wait three years (the same age as the EM5) you will find the J5 selling for $200 or less. If we compare current models, then I'd put the J5 up against the Panasonic GF7, since their features and specs are more similar.

My choice is clear, but you should buy whatever you want.
 
Nikon One 32mm is not that quick to focus EM5 and 45mm will be similar speed- I have owned both these. Image quality is very nice with both. EM5 has IBIS and faster flash sync and high iso is better.
We got the 32, and the 45, and yes they are both superb! I don't use either much, but probably should!
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format#/media/File:Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside_2014.png

That's not twice as large. The surface area is almost that. In a way 1'' sensor is to m/43rds what m4/3rds is to APS-C (ballpark).

Other tech being equal or competitive, 1 stop apart.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format#/media/File:Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside_2014.png

That's not twice as large. The surface area is almost that. In a way 1'' sensor is to m/43rds what m4/3rds is to APS-C (ballpark).
That's a pretty big ballpark!

So we agree that the 4/3 sensor is almost twice as large as the 1" sensor.

But the APSC sensor is no where near twice as large as the 4/3 sensor. Depending on which APSC version you compare it to, it is either 46% larger, or 64% larger.

This isn't my opinion, it is a mathematical fact. Your own link proves you wrong.
  • 1" sensor.................................116 sq mm
  • 4/3 sensor................................225 sq mm (93% larger, or almost twice)
  • APSC sensor (Canon)..................329 sq mm (46% larger, not even close to twice)
  • APSC sensor (Everyone else)........370 sq mm (64% larger than 4/3, still not twice)
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Just thinking of how Ansel Adams would laugh at our definition of "full frame". :)

I enjoy the size of gear that 1" gives, m4/3 much the same. Hauling my crop gear (D7100) around with pretty big glass has me here.

Can't imagine the load Ansel and helpers had. LOL!

Mike
 
Just thinking of how Ansel Adams would laugh at our definition of "full frame". :)

I enjoy the size of gear that 1" gives, m4/3 much the same. Hauling my crop gear (D7100) around with pretty big glass has me here.

Can't imagine the load Ansel and helpers had. LOL!
Well... it seems that FF 35mm was the SMALLEST thing Adams used. Remember, back then they called 35mm "miniature format."

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Just thinking of how Ansel Adams would laugh at our definition of "full frame". :)

I enjoy the size of gear that 1" gives, m4/3 much the same. Hauling my crop gear (D7100) around with pretty big glass has me here.

Can't imagine the load Ansel and helpers had. LOL!
Well... it seems that FF 35mm was the SMALLEST thing Adams used. Remember, back then they called 35mm "miniature format."
 
Just thinking of how Ansel Adams would laugh at our definition of "full frame". :)

I enjoy the size of gear that 1" gives, m4/3 much the same. Hauling my crop gear (D7100) around with pretty big glass has me here.

Can't imagine the load Ansel and helpers had. LOL!
Well... it seems that FF 35mm was the SMALLEST thing Adams used. Remember, back then they called 35mm "miniature format."

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Is that his wife? Or one of his gear hauler/helper? Same diff I imagine :P

Joking aside, he is one of my favorites.
 
when you said twice a large the first thought doesn't sound like surface area but dimensions that's why the very diagram I linked shows this when you put one sensor inside the other We are basically both right depending what we thought on reason twice as large- but do keep in mind twice as large refers to dimensions people don't think about volumes or surface area by default when talking this way

When I compare m4/3 vs apsc I certainly compare it with best apsc which is what pentax/Nikon/sony/Fuji are using you can throw in samsungs custom bsi apsc in the mix

So wha I meant is the performance of 1" sony is to m4/3 analogous to what m4/3 is to best apsc - about one stop. This can of course fluctuate as technologies can change until Nikon introduced the J5 the gap was certainly bigger between m4/3 and Nikon 1 1"

My math isn't this bad ;-)

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Just thinking of how Ansel Adams would laugh at our definition of "full frame". :)

I enjoy the size of gear that 1" gives, m4/3 much the same. Hauling my crop gear (D7100) around with pretty big glass has me here.

Can't imagine the load Ansel and helpers had. LOL!
They probably were quite a bunch of guys!
 
when you said twice a large the first thought doesn't sound like surface area but dimensions that's why the very diagram I linked shows this when you put one sensor inside the other We are basically both right depending what we thought on reason twice as large- but do keep in mind twice as large refers to dimensions people don't think about volumes or surface area by default when talking this way

When I compare m4/3 vs apsc I certainly compare it with best apsc which is what pentax/Nikon/sony/Fuji are using you can throw in samsungs custom bsi apsc in the mix

So wha I meant is the performance of 1" sony is to m4/3 analogous to what m4/3 is to best apsc - about one stop. This can of course fluctuate as technologies can change until Nikon introduced the J5 the gap was certainly bigger between m4/3 and Nikon 1 1"

My math isn't this bad ;-)
It is the length of the diagonals that count, not the surface area, when we talk optics!
 
when you said twice a large the first thought doesn't sound like surface area but dimensions that's why the very diagram I linked shows this when you put one sensor inside the other We are basically both right depending what we thought on reason twice as large- but do keep in mind twice as large refers to dimensions people don't think about volumes or surface area by default when talking this way

When I compare m4/3 vs apsc I certainly compare it with best apsc which is what pentax/Nikon/sony/Fuji are using you can throw in samsungs custom bsi apsc in the mix

So wha I meant is the performance of 1" sony is to m4/3 analogous to what m4/3 is to best apsc - about one stop. This can of course fluctuate as technologies can change until Nikon introduced the J5 the gap was certainly bigger between m4/3 and Nikon 1 1"

My math isn't this bad ;-)
The math of photography, I love it!

Plenty of scope for misunderstanding and try explaining it to beginners.
 
Yep I agree... Then you find stuff like this on eBay. A less than stellar seller with 4 Nikon 1 32mm lenses. All for well under market value... HMMMMM.

Yea I am sure this guy is legit... He has several others listed too.....

Yea I am sure this guy is legit... He has several others listed too.....

Mike
I thought it would be fun to follow up on the whole "too good to be true" world of eBay. While I have had great luck you do have to be careful. When I saw this "deal" I figured it was a scam. I was right. The seller sold 4 of these and several high end Canon bodies and then shipped "pictures" of the items to the buyers.

Nice eh?

Here is the reason, even with buy protection, I figured too good to be true. Was right...

Here is the reason, even with buy protection, I figured too good to be true. Was right...

Mike
 
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Owning both the em5 (original) and the "pro" em1, which is much more expensive, this is a great bargain, since the sensors are virtually identical in IQ.
 
No viewfinder.

I dunno about you, but when I shoot telephoto anything, I put the viewfinder against my eye, and that provides much stabilization. On the other hand, having to hold a camera with a screen and a telephoto lens like the 30-110 is the exact opposite.

I'd rather give up photography, because that is one major exercise in frustration. Subtract -4 stops of stabilization for that.
 

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