TheSonOfMuluh
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Going to get 105mm 2.8g and 35mm 1.8g, and renting a 70-200mm vr2 to see if I like it.
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Is the D750 a good second body for DF?
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Exactly! Those people that just presumes because they haven't owned one. I have both, the Df first, I actually have two Dfs. When the first one was smashed to beyond repair, I bought the D750. The advantages of the D750 over the Df? Not so much. Faster Af and wider focus spread. I I'm happy with D750 until again I bought another Df, because there is something in the IQ of the Df that is really different from the D750, the Df's rendetion is creamy and smooth and Sharp. Remeber, it has the D4 sensor and tweaked so it's much better than the D4 sensor. SO cheers!
Frank C, the DF is 'inferior' for you but not for those who want to use the older analog type dials and handling, and for that great sensor. I think that you need to measure your words instead of making blunt assumptions and conclusions based on your needs only. Your conclusions are totally subjective. I wonder if you have ever even used the camera, or are you just simply repeating what you have read? I have read comments like yours on numerous occasions in this forum from non-owners, and non-users who simply like to express their 'expert' opinions, but are in fact expressing their pre-conceived and biased opinions. Go try a DF for a few weeks and then tell us what you think. If you then don't like the camera and still feel that it's inferior, I will then be able to take your comments more seriously.
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Frank C.
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I rented the df for a weekend, IQ was nice, everything else... not so much... couldn't connect with the camera at all at all. I'll try again with the df2, if Nikon ever decides to build one.
So you obviously feel the D4/D4S images are also inferior to the D750 and D810 "in a not-so-marginal way"???
-Ray
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We judge photographers by the photographs we see. We judge cameras by the photographs we miss - Haim Zamir
Key word here is YOU.
YOU couldn't connect with it. That's fine. But let's not pretend that in one weekend you were able to see what the Df was best at. Did you shoot a concert with it? Still life? Portraits? Street scenes?
I didn't connect with Df on the first weekend either. Nor did I expect to. Nor would I expect to learn the best ways to handle Df files right away.
Bottom line is simple enough: If you want a serious opinion on a camera, listen to people who own it, shoot with it regularly and so on.
Frankly, I can use ANY camera. It's not like some of us have tentacles, though you'd think so with all the nonsense about how people can't work a Dxxx because it has a button moved 8mm down. Any camera will be 2nd nature in time.
Camera that took me the longest to adapt to? D4s. Still a fantastic camera across the board.
Robert
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Well, as expected, you certainly incurred the wrath of the most Holy Quartet! Lucky for you there's not more of them :-D
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Frank C.
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Possibly I didn't give the Df enough of a chance, but in the end the superior IQ wasn't enough to sway me over. To those contemplating the Df I highly suggest playing around with it before committing, it is truly the black sheep of the family and I mean that both in a good way and a bad way. I personally saw more of the latter than the former, but again, that is just ME as you pointed out, anyone everyone will have a different reaction (obviously)
ArtAlt
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Would you please go into more detail as to what ways the DF is better than D750, or at least, why you prefer it - and for what applications? I have long been curious about it. Picking it up at B&H I notice that it feels both strong and light, and kind of retro, but I have not been able to learn more than that.
Thank you.
Art
ArtAlt
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Would you please go into more detail as to what ways the DF is better than D750, or at least, why you prefer it - and for what applications? I have long been curious about it. Picking it up at B&H I notice that it feels both strong and light, and kind of retro, but I have not been able to learn more than that.
Thank you.
Art
emem
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Now THERE'S a leap of logic if ever I saw one!!
I've seen similar statements over on the Pentax forum about the perceived superior IQ of the 16Mp K5IIs over the 24Mp K-3. Can someone point me to some full size Df images, taken hand held in relatively low light or dull daylight conditions? I'd love to see this IQ for myself.
And someone mentioned a Df2 - I wouldn't suggest holding your breath while you wait for that.
How is it a leap of logic? The Df uses the same sensor as the flagship D4 and D4s. Frank was criticizing the IQ of the Df. He was also criticizing the operational aspect of the Df which is another question and more a subjective matter of personal preference. But what I'm addressing here was his direct slam at the IQ of the DF. Which equates to a slam of the IQ of the D4 and D4s. For sure there are shots that the D750 or D810 can get that the Df may not be able to get (just in terms of AF), and there are shots that the D4s can get that the D750 and D810 can't. But the Df can use the same lenses as the D4s and shares the same sensor, so the IQ for the shots that it gets is virtually the same.
I'd imagine that Frank is aware of that, but if he's slamming the IQ of the DF, he's also slamming the IQ of the D4s. I was calling him out to see if he'd say it directly...
Here's a sample shot in an extremely dark hallway of my wife's scarves, taken at ISO 12,800. It's a 1:1 crop out of the original 3:2 image, but you can view it full size:
-Ray
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We judge photographers by the photographs we see. We judge cameras by the photographs we miss - Haim Zamir
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/
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In the post I first responded to, above, he wrote:
"I've seen Df images, they're pretty much in line with the other Nikon FX, maybe marginally better color and noise characteristics compared to the D6x -D8x for but everything else inferior, and in a not-so-marginal way either ...."
That's the entire post. I read it as all about the DF's IQ, which he acknowledges are "marginally better" in terms of color and noise characteristics than the 24 and 36mp models, but "for everything else inferior, and in a not so marginal way either".
I'm presuming he's talking about detail, resolution, DR, etc when he refers to "everything else". But I'm reading this as all about IQ - he mentions the controls/interface elsewhere. Am I wrong?
-Ray
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We judge photographers by the photographs we see. We judge cameras by the photographs we miss - Haim Zamir
Ray is correct. He did slam the Df IQ, which is also a slam against the D4 and D4s.
But then that's all we need to hear to discount that opinion. The sensors used in the Df, D4 and D4s are stunning.
To own that sensor you need to put up with the size of the D4/D4s body (and cost) or you need to adapt to the much smaller (and less feature-rich) design of the Df.
In either case it's more than worth it for some shooters.
Robert
Taken handheld with Df and 14-24. This is about as low light as it gets handheld (1/40, 2.8, ISO 36,000 or equivalent). I can't think of a more challenging environment for a camera sensor in terms of lack of lighting and color of existing lighting. The amount of detail that is retained at these high ISOs impresses me every time. Shot at 2.8 so not everything in focus... Full rez. Enjoy!
ISO 36,000
ISO 16,000
ISO 6,400
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/111304887@N06/
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