Alex Sarbu
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But we only have around 5 billion years until the Sun will die - can they do it in time?
Alex (we're not on the Open Talk section, folks!)
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MLC vs DSLR sales .....
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Alex (we're not on the Open Talk section, folks!)
It seems to be a race between selling enough units to be viable, as the camera market generally declines, and developing mirrorless cameras to the point where they are the natural no-brainer choice for pretty anyone who wants to buy a decent camera. If the market declines faster than they can establish themselves as the equals of Canonikon, then mirrorless-makers might be looking at a lot of red ink. Personally, I hope not because mirrorless is where most of the new thinking, investment and innovation is taking place and we'll all benefit from that. Canonikon seems to be more about hanging on to franchises.
Meanwhile dear, darling old Pentax soldiers on with mechanical aperture levers and "EVF is the third horn of the Devil" and Leica continues to sell cameras priced on the old idea that they will last you for the rest of your life. Better hope that's a bit longer than the life of the sensor inside them! Strange times.
Meanwhile dear, darling old Pentax soldiers on with mechanical aperture levers and "EVF is the third horn of the Devil" and Leica continues to sell cameras priced on the old idea that they will last you for the rest of your life. Better hope that's a bit longer than the life of the sensor inside them! Strange times.
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I'm thinking less than a decade and dslrs will be a thing of the past.
leopold
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Some good points, modern digital cameras will not last as long as the old mechanical ones like my MX !
Tom Lusk
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Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
Alex, you are the self-appointed defender of all things Pentax. Doesn't matter the subject, you are always first in line to keep this board in line. Leopold is one of the best posters on here and an ardent Pentax user. He has earned the right to post whatever he pleases related to cameras, regardless of whether Pentax is mentioned by name.Lighten up yourself. The question is valid.Lighten up.Yeah, but what exactly are we seeing?Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
And given that we're on Pentax SLR Talk, is there any connection to Pentax, or it's just a curiosity?
Alex
Alex
I realize this article is a threat to you in your mind, but it's not. Grow up.
DAVID MANZE
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In the beginning............ God created the heaven and the Earth,
On the first day he said, "Let there be light" and ..........there was light.
On the second day God created the German camera and optical industry and .......there was Leica.
The third day God moved things on with his latest creation and......... there was the silicon chip.
By day six God created the Japanese digital camera industry and .......there was Pentax.
Day seven was supposed to be a day of rest, but while everybody was busily taking pictures of the birth of the universe exploding in it's unrepeatable splendor,
God created his ultimate master-stroke and ..........there was...... The Sony Corporation!
After that the rest is.............. the beginning of the end!
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Dave's clichés
On the first day he said, "Let there be light" and ..........there was light.
On the second day God created the German camera and optical industry and .......there was Leica.
The third day God moved things on with his latest creation and......... there was the silicon chip.
By day six God created the Japanese digital camera industry and .......there was Pentax.
Day seven was supposed to be a day of rest, but while everybody was busily taking pictures of the birth of the universe exploding in it's unrepeatable splendor,
God created his ultimate master-stroke and ..........there was...... The Sony Corporation!
After that the rest is.............. the beginning of the end!
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Dave's clichés
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Alex Sarbu
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Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
Tom Lusk
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Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
Holger Bargen
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Here you will find some data regarding the absolute numbers of sales:
We see for both systems cyclic (annual) changes with upper peaks in October/November and lower regions in January/Febrary. The volatility for DSLR cameras is much higher than for mirrorless systems. The sales for DSLR cameras are much higher than for mirrorless cameras.
And now the comparison of these data vs the data Sony published. What's up?
Mirrorless cameras sell throughout the year at an aprroximatelly constant level - not much variation between the month.
DSLR cameras sell best in autumn and worst in spring.
The data provided by Sony compare the situation where the DSLR market has its seasonal minimum - but the mirrorless market is nearly same throughout the year.
This ends up in wrong or biased viel on the situation. The situation for DSLR is underrated by far. The next problem: Sony compares the situation 2013 vs 2015. Look at the chart I am posting above: There is a minimum line for DSLR and a minimum line for mirrorless. This minimum line was this spring at the same level as 2014 - but lower (Sony says approx. 18%) than 2013.
To me it looked like there is a manipulative intention behind this view on the data. Why not comparing Nov 2012 with Nov 2014? By the way Sony prepared the data they can say everything they want - just take the period of time for cmaparison that underlines your message!
I like statistics - but the way Sony did it is a dirty way of doing statistics I do not like - definitively not!
Best reagrds
Holger
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We see for both systems cyclic (annual) changes with upper peaks in October/November and lower regions in January/Febrary. The volatility for DSLR cameras is much higher than for mirrorless systems. The sales for DSLR cameras are much higher than for mirrorless cameras.
And now the comparison of these data vs the data Sony published. What's up?
Mirrorless cameras sell throughout the year at an aprroximatelly constant level - not much variation between the month.
DSLR cameras sell best in autumn and worst in spring.
The data provided by Sony compare the situation where the DSLR market has its seasonal minimum - but the mirrorless market is nearly same throughout the year.
This ends up in wrong or biased viel on the situation. The situation for DSLR is underrated by far. The next problem: Sony compares the situation 2013 vs 2015. Look at the chart I am posting above: There is a minimum line for DSLR and a minimum line for mirrorless. This minimum line was this spring at the same level as 2014 - but lower (Sony says approx. 18%) than 2013.
To me it looked like there is a manipulative intention behind this view on the data. Why not comparing Nov 2012 with Nov 2014? By the way Sony prepared the data they can say everything they want - just take the period of time for cmaparison that underlines your message!
I like statistics - but the way Sony did it is a dirty way of doing statistics I do not like - definitively not!
Best reagrds
Holger
Alex Sarbu
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Strawman. I never attacked Leopold, I'm just asking (or perhaps raising a flag) about the meaning of that marketing press release. I'm also warning (perhaps in a too subtle manner) about hastily drawing conclusions, then extending it to Pentax.Alex, you are the self-appointed defender of all things Pentax. Doesn't matter the subject, you are always first in line to keep this board in line. Leopold is one of the best posters on here and an ardent Pentax user. He has earned the right to post whatever he pleases related to cameras, regardless of whether Pentax is mentioned by name.Lighten up yourself. The question is valid.Lighten up.Yeah, but what exactly are we seeing?Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
And given that we're on Pentax SLR Talk, is there any connection to Pentax, or it's just a curiosity?
Alex
Alex
Asking valid questions is a threat for you and few others; some sort of "understanding is not required, only obedience" way. Lame.
Alex
Jim in Hudson
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Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
Alex Sarbu
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Of course you agree with any convenient lie, don't have to tell me that. I never joined your silly anti-Pentax brigade, so I'm an "enemy"; and an "enemy" must be "destroyed" by any means.No, Alex, I read it and your snarky response.You must have missed the first post of this thread.You must have missed the news item posted yesterdaySorry, Tom. No CIPA data is mentioned in the article linked.Sorry, Alex.On the contrary; you should post vague marketing claims of other brands doing well - to compare with Pentax and decide Pentax is no good.Steeve:Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
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Leopold
http://smarcoux.zenfolio.com/
http://www.limagier-photo.com/
http://www.firstlight.com/galleries.php
http://steevemarcoux2.wordpress.com/
It looks like you should only post links to other brands if it shows they are having problems or if they are being compared to Pentax and the comparison shows Pentax is better.
Otherwise it brings out insecuritiesOtherwise it brings out insecurities.
Alex
I did not know that CIPA numbers were just vague marketing claims.
That's what they're doing? Hmm... they don't even say what they were measuring, and on which market (is that US only?). And they don't give hard numbers, but percentages; I guess they have a good reason to hide the numbers. ;-)
Reason why I'm for a better understanding of those percentages. But some people are against it... understanding is evil or something. ;-)
I also think we should be quite careful about what conclusions we could draw, besides the obvious "Sony is doing well, on market X" (for some definition of "well"). And I'd enjoy seeing some well supported conclusions for a change, instead of badly placed sarcasm such as yours.
Alex
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/62..._source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu
Alex
I agree with what Cane says. You have become a one-man forum police force and the head defender of all things Pentax.
Your mentioning of CIPA when I was talking about a Sony press release is nothing but a strawman.
Why won't you follow your own advice?Go take some photos. It will help you see the bigger picture.
Alex
Alex Sarbu
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Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
Jim in Hudson
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I didn't write that you shouldn't post.You're right. I shouldn't care. I shouldn't post.Why do you care what other people conclude, think, or even post (as long as what's posted is not a lie)?Sorry, Tom. No CIPA data is mentioned in the article linked.Sorry, Alex.On the contrary; you should post vague marketing claims of other brands doing well - to compare with Pentax and decide Pentax is no good.Steeve:Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
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Leopold
http://smarcoux.zenfolio.com/
http://www.limagier-photo.com/
http://www.firstlight.com/galleries.php
http://steevemarcoux2.wordpress.com/
It looks like you should only post links to other brands if it shows they are having problems or if they are being compared to Pentax and the comparison shows Pentax is better.
Otherwise it brings out insecuritiesOtherwise it brings out insecurities.
Alex
I did not know that CIPA numbers were just vague marketing claims.
That's what they're doing? Hmm... they don't even say what they were measuring, and on which market (is that US only?). And they don't give hard numbers, but percentages; I guess they have a good reason to hide the numbers. ;-)
Reason why I'm for a better understanding of those percentages. But some people are against it... understanding is evil or something. ;-)
I also think we should be quite careful about what conclusions we could draw, besides the obvious "Sony is doing well, on market X" (for some definition of "well"). And I'd enjoy seeing some well supported conclusions for a change, instead of badly placed sarcasm such as yours.
Alex
I didn't write that.
I didn't write that, either.
You didn't start a discussion. Instead, you tried to kill a discussion.
Jim Beverlin
Senior Member
Alex Sarbu
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It doesn't matter. I'm the enemy of everything that's good in this forum.I didn't write that you shouldn't post.You're right. I shouldn't care. I shouldn't post.Why do you care what other people conclude, think, or even post (as long as what's posted is not a lie)?Sorry, Tom. No CIPA data is mentioned in the article linked.Sorry, Alex.On the contrary; you should post vague marketing claims of other brands doing well - to compare with Pentax and decide Pentax is no good.Steeve:Always fun to read things just to see what's happening in the Photography world
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Leopold
http://smarcoux.zenfolio.com/
http://www.limagier-photo.com/
http://www.firstlight.com/galleries.php
http://steevemarcoux2.wordpress.com/
It looks like you should only post links to other brands if it shows they are having problems or if they are being compared to Pentax and the comparison shows Pentax is better.
Otherwise it brings out insecuritiesOtherwise it brings out insecurities.
Alex
I did not know that CIPA numbers were just vague marketing claims.
That's what they're doing? Hmm... they don't even say what they were measuring, and on which market (is that US only?). And they don't give hard numbers, but percentages; I guess they have a good reason to hide the numbers. ;-)
Reason why I'm for a better understanding of those percentages. But some people are against it... understanding is evil or something. ;-)
I also think we should be quite careful about what conclusions we could draw, besides the obvious "Sony is doing well, on market X" (for some definition of "well"). And I'd enjoy seeing some well supported conclusions for a change, instead of badly placed sarcasm such as yours.
Alex
I didn't write that.
I didn't write that, either.
This is not directed at you, by the way.
Wrong. I was trying to make a discussion from a marketing statement.
But it's all good now; the thread is going in the accepted direction of "MILCs will destroy DSLRs in less than a decade". Hurray.
Alex
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yardcoyote
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Oh, I agree that it's fun to read things and keep up with the news. I just think people get a little bent out of shape about it, and I'm curious as to why. Unless bring it up here (when there are so many threads on the topic already over in Open Talk) is just an effort to open a discussion about this with this specific group of people, in which case I guess I get it.
DDWD10
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Not to mention Fujifilm and their ever-growing lineup of excellent lenses. Sony has a ways to go to match Fuji's game on lenses, IMO.
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