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I have two Tamron lenses. 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. I was not convinced the 24-70 was focusing as well as it should be and followed some fine tuning instructions which resulted in a -5 adjustment and better focusing! All good.

But the other day I used the 70-200 and noticed the images we're not as sharp as they should be. When I checked the data, the -5 setting was being applied to this lens as well? I checked the manual and it seems that each lens (up to 20 max) can be given its own fine tuning settings or if none are specified, the default is applied (which I have set at 0) - all this only applying if AF fine-tune is switched on of course.

If I set up the 24-70 correctly, then swap to the 70-200, the AF fine tuning still shows the 24-70 and gives no option to set up the 70-200. If I go ahead and delete the 24-70 settings and then try to set fine tuning for the current lens, only then does it show me the 70-200. Swapping back is the same in reverse.

So it seems that my camera is not detecting the two Tamrons as different lenses? Is this possible - I thought each lens had a unique ID so that even two lenses of the same type and make would even be considered as different lenses as both could require different fine-tune settings?

Can anyone shed any light on why this might be and how to resolve it? Obviously I can just disable fine tuning when using the 70-200, but only if I remember!!!

Any help appreciated.

Mark
 
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Known issue for Tamron and Tokina lenses, not Sigma. You can only have one lens listed at a time for AF Fine Tune. I keep my AF Fine Tune settings in a file, so I can remember what goes with what Tokina, a necessary pain.
Evidently the Tamron lenses are not providing a unique lens ID to the Nikon camera. That is a Tamron problem and probably one that cannot be fixed. Best to phone their tech support people and hope for the best.
 
calson said:
Evidently the Tamron lenses are not providing a unique lens ID to the Nikon camera. That is a Tamron problem and probably one that cannot be fixed.
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I was not aware of such problem, thank god I have stayed with Nikon lenses only with my D810.
 
QuestionMark said:
I have two Tamron lenses. 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8.

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So it seems that my camera is not detecting the two Tamrons as different lenses? Is this possible
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Yes, it is possible.

Although I personally had no a such problem, I have read some similar histories about Sigma lenses also. Apparently they register the same information into the lens chip for different lenses. Perhaps Tamron can help you identifying the lenses differently.

I think it is part of our price to go to third party lenses: in my case I lost AF in live view mode with my Sigma 150 f/2.8 Macro when mounted on my D810 - from my 10 FX lenses, only one isn´t Nikkor... :-(

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QuestionMark said:
I have two Tamron lenses. 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. I was not convinced the 24-70 was focusing as well as it should be and followed some fine tuning instructions which resulted in a -5 adjustment and better focusing! All good.

But the other day I used the 70-200 and noticed the images we're not as sharp as they should be. When I checked the data, the -5 setting was being applied to this lens as well? I checked the manual and it seems that each lens (up to 20 max) can be given its own fine tuning settings or if none are specified, the default is applied (which I have set at 0) - all this only applying if AF fine-tune is switched on of course.

If I set up the 24-70 correctly, then swap to the 70-200, the AF fine tuning still shows the 24-70 and gives no option to set up the 70-200. If I go ahead and delete the 24-70 settings and then try to set fine tuning for the current lens, only then does it show me the 70-200. Swapping back is the same in reverse.

So it seems that my camera is not detecting the two Tamrons as different lenses? Is this possible - I thought each lens had a unique ID so that even two lenses of the same type and make would even be considered as different lenses as both could require different fine-tune settings?

Can anyone shed any light on why this might be and how to resolve it? Obviously I can just disable fine tuning when using the 70-200, but only if I remember!!!

Any help appreciated.

Mark
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Hi,

When you swap the lens', do you switch the camera off?

Do you have your lens' number set in AF fine tune?

With your 24-70 set as #1, try to put 70-200 and set saved value to something other than 0, than register that lens by #. Than go back and set saved value to 0.
 
Known issue for Tamron and Tokina lenses, not Sigma. You can only have one lens listed at a time for AF Fine Tune. I keep my AF Fine Tune settings in a file, so I can remember what goes with what Tokina, a necessary pain.
 
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Hi All and thank you for all the answers.

I did a few more tests and sure enough it is a problem with the Tamron lenses not the camera(s). I had the same issue on the D7100. I also fine tuned the Tamron and then attached a Nikkor lens and it was recognised as a new lens and gave me the option to fine tune. So that pretty much prooves it for me.

I guess it is the price you pay (or don't in this case) when buying third party lenses :-)

As said above, there is probably no fix for this.

Best wishes and thanks again.

Mark.
 
Sagittarius said:
QuestionMark said:
I have two Tamron lenses. 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. I was not convinced the 24-70 was focusing as well as it should be and followed some fine tuning instructions which resulted in a -5 adjustment and better focusing! All good.

But the other day I used the 70-200 and noticed the images we're not as sharp as they should be. When I checked the data, the -5 setting was being applied to this lens as well? I checked the manual and it seems that each lens (up to 20 max) can be given its own fine tuning settings or if none are specified, the default is applied (which I have set at 0) - all this only applying if AF fine-tune is switched on of course.

If I set up the 24-70 correctly, then swap to the 70-200, the AF fine tuning still shows the 24-70 and gives no option to set up the 70-200. If I go ahead and delete the 24-70 settings and then try to set fine tuning for the current lens, only then does it show me the 70-200. Swapping back is the same in reverse.

So it seems that my camera is not detecting the two Tamrons as different lenses? Is this possible - I thought each lens had a unique ID so that even two lenses of the same type and make would even be considered as different lenses as both could require different fine-tune settings?

Can anyone shed any light on why this might be and how to resolve it? Obviously I can just disable fine tuning when using the 70-200, but only if I remember!!!

Any help appreciated.

Mark
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Hi,

When you swap the lens', do you switch the camera off?
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Yes I always turn off the camera.
Sagittarius said:
Do you have your lens' number set in AF fine tune?
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Here lies the problem. The first lens can be set up fine and I assign a number, but attaching the second lens does not result in it being detected as a different lens. It keeps using the settings from the first lens.
Sagittarius said:
With your 24-70 set as #1, try to put 70-200 and set saved value to something other than 0, than register that lens by #. Than go back and set saved value to 0.
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Tried to do this, but any changes continue to be applied to the 24-70 and there is no option to save the 70-200. That is the problem.
 
QuestionMark said:
Sagittarius said:
QuestionMark said:
I have two Tamron lenses. 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. I was not convinced the 24-70 was focusing as well as it should be and followed some fine tuning instructions which resulted in a -5 adjustment and better focusing! All good.

But the other day I used the 70-200 and noticed the images we're not as sharp as they should be. When I checked the data, the -5 setting was being applied to this lens as well? I checked the manual and it seems that each lens (up to 20 max) can be given its own fine tuning settings or if none are specified, the default is applied (which I have set at 0) - all this only applying if AF fine-tune is switched on of course.

If I set up the 24-70 correctly, then swap to the 70-200, the AF fine tuning still shows the 24-70 and gives no option to set up the 70-200. If I go ahead and delete the 24-70 settings and then try to set fine tuning for the current lens, only then does it show me the 70-200. Swapping back is the same in reverse.

So it seems that my camera is not detecting the two Tamrons as different lenses? Is this possible - I thought each lens had a unique ID so that even two lenses of the same type and make would even be considered as different lenses as both could require different fine-tune settings?

Can anyone shed any light on why this might be and how to resolve it? Obviously I can just disable fine tuning when using the 70-200, but only if I remember!!!

Any help appreciated.

Mark
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Hi,

When you swap the lens', do you switch the camera off?
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Yes I always turn off the camera.
QuestionMark said:
Do you have your lens' number set in AF fine tune?
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Here lies the problem. The first lens can be set up fine and I assign a number, but attaching the second lens does not result in it being detected as a different lens. It keeps using the settings from the first lens.
QuestionMark said:
With your 24-70 set as #1, try to put 70-200 and set saved value to something other than 0, than register that lens by #. Than go back and set saved value to 0.
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Tried to do this, but any changes continue to be applied to the 24-70 and there is no option to save the 70-200. That is the problem.
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For what it's worth, I have no problems with my D810 AF fine tune profiles on my tamron 90mm 2.8vc macro and 150-600, and they both needed tuning
 
I think that you can be lucky or unlucky. I do not think that Tamron use the same ID for all lenses, just some. A little more digging and I found this...

"Note that the Tamron 24-70 VC and 70-200 VC reportedly have the same ID from a Nikon DSLR standpoint. This means that any autofocus adjustment done in-camera will affect both lenses similarly."

Well maybe one day I will have to open the wallet and order that Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 and have done with it :-D

Regards,

Mark
 
I also have a Tamron 90mm as well, but did not test this. I think that you are probably right and that this one will allow me to set up a separate profile for fine tuning.

I suspect that if the lenses are "of the same series", using the same /similar parts, they will probably have the same ID whereas if they are of a different manufacturing line / process / time period, using significantly different parts, then they will have a different lens ID. Maybe - just guessing :-|

I will test the 90mm tonight to see if this is the case.

Cheers,

Mark.
 
Think I have your answer. There are 2 ways to mft a lens on nikon. There is an individual lens adjustment and a global one.

If you put a value into the default setting area, it is applied to ALL lenses, just like your problem. If you adjust in the settings are a. It's one lens only.

If you adjust in default, enabling an adjustment in settings disables the default setting for that lens.. They are not cumulative.
 
QuestionMark said:
I think that you can be lucky or unlucky. I do not think that Tamron use the same ID for all lenses, just some. A little more digging and I found this...

"Note that the Tamron 24-70 VC and 70-200 VC reportedly have the same ID from a Nikon DSLR standpoint. This means that any autofocus adjustment done in-camera will affect both lenses similarly."

Well maybe one day I will have to open the wallet and order that Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 and have done with it :-D

Regards,

Mark
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Hi,

Have you tried to contact Tamron USA?
 
I think I understand what you are saying. Set the default to the -5 so that it applies to all lenses and then set each of the other detected lenses back to zero, hence overriding the default setting?

Is that the idea? That might work. I will test it out.

Thanks,

Mark
 
It might be worth it, but I am in Spain so that will not help - and being cheap, I got my 24-70 lens via a Grey Market channel so probably would not be covered by any kind of warranty for the adjustment. :-D

I do not use the 70-200 that much so to be honest, if I have to disable the AF fine tune when I do use it, it is not the biggest of issues. I mainly switch between my 24-70 and some older Nikon primes.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Cheers,

Mark
 
This will work if the mft for all the lenses is the same. As soon as you set an individual lens correction that particular lens is removed from global correction.
 
tektrader said:
Think I have your answer. There are 2 ways to mft a lens on nikon. There is an individual lens adjustment and a global one.

If you put a value into the default setting area, it is applied to ALL lenses, just like your problem. If you adjust in the settings are a. It's one lens only.

If you adjust in default, enabling an adjustment in settings disables the default setting for that lens.. They are not cumulative.
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You think wrong.
24-70 and 70-200 have to be tuned with different values, but the two lenses are the same one from the viewpoint of the camera.

So why would You think if the global tune set to -5 would ok for the other lens?
If You do a dedicated 0 value to the 70-200 and after put on the camera the 24-70, the 24-70 gets the wrong 0 value too, because the body thinks that is the 70-200!

I have this same issue now. Bought brand new the 3 lenses: 15-30, 24-70, 70-200.

The 15-30 is fine. That has a different ID, so that can be calibrated apart from the 24-70 and the 70-200, but the 24-70 and the 70-200 has the same ID (in the chip maybe, not lens number in fine tune) and can not be calibrated apart from each other.

Tamron service is on the way to resolve this issue, but a couple of hours was not enough for them, so I have to leave there the 2 lenses and the body to work with them.

Tried other D810 and other 24-70 and 70-200 with the same results.
 
lac111 said:
Known issue for Tamron and Tokina lenses, not Sigma. You can only have one lens listed at a time for AF Fine Tune. I keep my AF Fine Tune settings in a file, so I can remember what goes with what Tokina, a necessary pain.
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Old thread but I have the same issue with 2 different lenses displaying this same behavior on both my Nikon D3s and D800 bodies. Lenses are Sigma 85mm 1.4 (non Art) and Nikon 24-70 2.8G (non VR).

AF Fine Tune recognizes each of them correctly until you save a value for one of the lenses. From then on it recognizes both lenses with that profile. If you delete the profile and put on the other lens it recognizes it correctly again.

Interestingly enough the camera has no problems setting aperature and length with either lens regardless of whether AF Fine Tune is on or off.

I thought maybe the S/N for the lens was used but it appears not as both are significantly different.
 
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