FX vs DX Image Quality Comparison (yes.. this again) Your Thoughts?

Boy do people love FF :)

To match the pixel density of a 24 million pixel DX you would need a 56 million pixel FF !

FF frame is better for DR ? Since when ? Codswallop :) D810 is tops, mainly due to having a 64 ISO base. The D810 has 14.8 EV... next up.... D7200 DX with 14.6 EV which beats even the D750 with just 14.5 EV.

Most of IQ is down to the lenses. Most lenses do not even scratch the surface of 12 million pixel cameras. My sharpest pics come from my old D7100. This is down to that pixel density and biting sharp lenses.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3723027#forum-post-54356287

DOF is not better on FF ? It is more shallow ! There are just as many apertures on DX lol

Both systems have there Pros and cons but most FF users are totally deluded. :)
FF users are no doubt delusional - they spend $3,000 for a 36mp sensor in an 810 body when an identically performing sensor (or perhaps superior!) can be had in the 7200 for just $1,200! When Nikon becomes aware of this, the prices of 7200's will skyrocket and the price of 810 bodies will fall to Coolpix levels within months. Buy your 7200 now before the secret gets out and while prices are still low!

My god people - get a grip. The newest DX sensors are great, better in many ways than the early FX ones but those same advances are in the newest FX sensors as well. Deluded indeed.
You are comparing different resolution systems. Compare the D610 with the D7200 in a print like I sDid with equivalent rez FX and DX then get back to me. I dont care about 100% screen views as my clients buy prints...not digital copies.
 
But to argue there is no differences in the output of FX vs DX would mean that thousands of pros are delusional and love wasting their hard-earned money.
Never underestimate the power of the Internet and group-pressure ;-) Besides, the go-to 'pro's' that everyone always links to are mostly people that are 'pro-bloggers' living from clicks and/or are sponsored by the respective brands that love to move the most expensive gear. Most of these 'pro's' wouldn't want to be found dead beside a DX camera for that would immediately negate their 'pro-ishness'.

Having shot mostly 4x5" and to a lesser extent 6x6cm for 15 years professionally before in 2000 the digital era came around I do have an understanding of different formats. Where in the past people would buy a 3200 Wsec generator over a 1600 one to get from f/22 to f/32 to get everything sharp on a magazine page printed from 4x5", nowadays people crave FX to get 'more isolation' on a tiny 600 pixel web image.

Anyway, since FX came around I've been testing, trying and buying DX and FX cameras and I've never been able to find a significant difference provided you keep the parameters of the resulting images equal. Only exclusion maybe if you shoot both at base ISO and then start pushing the shadows like mad, although that difference seems to be gone too with the D7200.
 
But to argue there is no differences in the output of FX vs DX would mean that thousands of pros are delusional and love wasting their hard-earned money.
Never underestimate the power of the Internet and group-pressure ;-) Besides, the go-to 'pro's' that everyone always links to are mostly people that are 'pro-bloggers' living from clicks and/or are sponsored by the respective brands that love to move the most expensive gear. Most of these 'pro's' wouldn't want to be found dead beside a DX camera for that would immediately negate their 'pro-ishness'.

Having shot mostly 4x5" and to a lesser extent 6x6cm for 15 years professionally before in 2000 the digital era came around I do have an understanding of different formats. Where in the past people would buy a 3200 Wsec generator over a 1600 one to get from f/22 to f/32 to get everything sharp on a magazine page printed from 4x5", nowadays people crave FX to get 'more isolation' on a tiny 600 pixel web image.

Anyway, since FX came around I've been testing, trying and buying DX and FX cameras and I've never been able to find a significant difference provided you keep the parameters of the resulting images equal. Only exclusion maybe if you shoot both at base ISO and then start pushing the shadows like mad, although that difference seems to be gone too with the D7200.
 
But to argue there is no differences in the output of FX vs DX would mean that thousands of pros are delusional and love wasting their hard-earned money.
Never underestimate the power of the Internet and group-pressure ;-) Besides, the go-to 'pro's' that everyone always links to are mostly people that are 'pro-bloggers' living from clicks and/or are sponsored by the respective brands that love to move the most expensive gear. Most of these 'pro's' wouldn't want to be found dead beside a DX camera for that would immediately negate their 'pro-ishness'.

Having shot mostly 4x5" and to a lesser extent 6x6cm for 15 years professionally before in 2000 the digital era came around I do have an understanding of different formats. Where in the past people would buy a 3200 Wsec generator over a 1600 one to get from f/22 to f/32 to get everything sharp on a magazine page printed from 4x5", nowadays people crave FX to get 'more isolation' on a tiny 600 pixel web image.

Anyway, since FX came around I've been testing, trying and buying DX and FX cameras and I've never been able to find a significant difference provided you keep the parameters of the resulting images equal. Only exclusion maybe if you shoot both at base ISO and then start pushing the shadows like mad, although that difference seems to be gone too with the D7200.
 
Boy do people love FF :)

To match the pixel density of a 24 million pixel DX you would need a 56 million pixel FF !

FF frame is better for DR ? Since when ? Codswallop :) D810 is tops, mainly due to having a 64 ISO base. The D810 has 14.8 EV... next up.... D7200 DX with 14.6 EV which beats even the D750 with just 14.5 EV.

Most of IQ is down to the lenses. Most lenses do not even scratch the surface of 12 million pixel cameras. My sharpest pics come from my old D7100. This is down to that pixel density and biting sharp lenses.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3723027#forum-post-54356287

DOF is not better on FF ? It is more shallow ! There are just as many apertures on DX lol

Both systems have there Pros and cons but most FF users are totally deluded. :)
FF users are no doubt delusional - they spend $3,000 for a 36mp sensor in an 810 body when an identically performing sensor (or perhaps superior!) can be had in the 7200 for just $1,200! When Nikon becomes aware of this, the prices of 7200's will skyrocket and the price of 810 bodies will fall to Coolpix levels within months. Buy your 7200 now before the secret gets out and while prices are still low!

My god people - get a grip. The newest DX sensors are great, better in many ways than the early FX ones but those same advances are in the newest FX sensors as well. Deluded indeed.
You are comparing different resolution systems. Compare the D610 with the D7200 in a print like I sDid with equivalent rez FX and DX then get back to me. I dont care about 100% screen views as my clients buy prints...not digital copies.
That's not my point at all and I said as much in an earlier post. Depending on the print size, an image from a D3200 can compare to a D610 or 810, just as you say above. The point I am addressing is that this "equivalency" based on a specific print size does not mean that the DX format is automatically equivalent to FX in all applications. It simply is not. Few would be able to distinguish a 13x19 made from an 810 and a 7200 but on much larger prints, the difference would become apparent. How is that arguable?
 
But to argue there is no differences in the output of FX vs DX would mean that thousands of pros are delusional and love wasting their hard-earned money.
Never underestimate the power of the Internet and group-pressure ;-) Besides, the go-to 'pro's' that everyone always links to are mostly people that are 'pro-bloggers' living from clicks and/or are sponsored by the respective brands that love to move the most expensive gear. Most of these 'pro's' wouldn't want to be found dead beside a DX camera for that would immediately negate their 'pro-ishness'.

Having shot mostly 4x5" and to a lesser extent 6x6cm for 15 years professionally before in 2000 the digital era came around I do have an understanding of different formats. Where in the past people would buy a 3200 Wsec generator over a 1600 one to get from f/22 to f/32 to get everything sharp on a magazine page printed from 4x5", nowadays people crave FX to get 'more isolation' on a tiny 600 pixel web image.

Anyway, since FX came around I've been testing, trying and buying DX and FX cameras and I've never been able to find a significant difference provided you keep the parameters of the resulting images equal. Only exclusion maybe if you shoot both at base ISO and then start pushing the shadows like mad, although that difference seems to be gone too with the D7200.
 
Ignoring debate, as one of the many who regularly use FX alongside DX there is a lot of exaggeration.

Dynamic range first - at base ISO Nikon DX generally scores around 12.33 and FX around 12.66 so little difference there, especially as you had to resort to special processing to get more than 9 stops with b&W film.

D3 compared to D300 (when I had both) there was negligible difference in resolution at low ISO's.

At high ISO's (now above about 3200) resolution, dynamic range and colour accuracy start to fall quickly with DX falling faster than FX. That aside FX at 3200 ISO is some distance behind 100 ISO.

Beyond that it matters little much of the time other than sometimes DX has advantages over FX and sometimes vice-versa. That is why many are finding current 4:3 systems deliver very high quality compared to something like a D3.

In the background Olympus is bringing out an f2 135mm FX equivalent with £799 UK suggested price. I think "market moves" like this will result in increasing numbers finding even smaller formats than DX far better than adequate.
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).

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"Don’t put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they’re called revolutions" T. Pratchett, OBE, RIP.
 
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Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
a few years ago I made comparisons using a Nikon D700 and a Pentax K-x. Both are 12mp cameras...one FF and the other aps-c. I ran multiple tests for resolution in a landscape type print and others for low light work. The tests were then printed at 16x24 on HM Photorag 308 using an Epson 3800 printer. Both cameras had prime lenses mounted and the setup was placed on a solid tripd.

The resolution comparison was designed to see what rez differences would appear in a landscape shot. The subject was a house down the street. View these crops at 50% on your computer to see the differences between FX and DX at 16x24

The first is from the Nikon, the second from the Pentax





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The second photo was in a sitting room in my home illuminated with nothing more than a 40 watt bulb from about 8 feet away. Blth shots at 3200 iso. Processed in LR with noise reduction applied to each. Again set for a 16x24 print. View the crop at 50% to see the differences at that print size. Nikon on the left, Pentax on the right.



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Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).
 
Comparing sensors based on size alone is a nonsense.

Firstly, resolution is a combination of lenses, megapixels etc. Shallow DOF is nice, but if you want more DOF, APSC is easier to live with.

However, the DR of current generation sensors is hard to compare. Check out the Nikon D7200 on DxO against the D750 and Sony A7II (both 24MP). Very little difference at low ISO between the two Nikons. You won't notice this in practice. At high ISO, D7200 falls a bit behind the D750, but not the Sony.

Both better than the Sony. So much for sensor size.

Now compare the D7200 with the Nikon D4. Smaller sensor is notably better at low ISO, but about a stop worse at high ISO. Which is best rather depends on where you need your DR.

Now compare with Canon 5D3. D7200 is nearly 3 stops better at ISO100, and doesn't drop behind until ISO12800.

Sensor design is just as important as size.

If DR is poor, this will also affect tonal separation in the shadows, but overall tonal range will be better for a larger sensor, and so will colour performance. That's simply a higher SNR in mid-tones and highlights. That also implies noise will be less visible, at that will be more obvious at higher ISO. However, at low ISO you won't see much difference. All of them produce more tones than a screen can display, and more colours than you can see. The noise is not likely to be seen in a print at 250PPI or more, at least up to ISO400.

Is there some point in FF sensors? Sure, if you want shallow DOF more than high DOF, and if you want to shoot primarily at high ISO (ISO800+).

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"Don’t put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they’re called revolutions" T. Pratchett, OBE, RIP.
I'm not sure what you are saying regarding "if you want more DOF, ASPC makes it easier to live with." Are you suggesting stopping an FX lens down further will significantly increase sensor noise and lens diffraction issues? If as you say, the increased noise isn't visible in 250PPI prints, why would diffraction issues be more apparent? Sorry if I am misinterpreting your ost.
I am saying that if you shoot high DOF images (landscapes for instance) then DX allows you to use a wider aperture and higher shutter speed. If stopping down means raising ISO (a lot of the time my D800 is at ISO200 or 400 just to keep the shutter speed high enough) then you lose any advantage from the FF camera. Unless you use a tripod, but that's a disadvantage in itself.

So, if you seldom shoot above ISO800, or seldom need razor thin DOF (which is highly overrated) then FF is not buying you anything. Unless of course, you need more than 24MP and don't have any high quality DX lenses.

The biggest issue with all DX SLRs from Nikon and Canon is lack of decent dedicated lenses. Cropping the image does lose resolution.

On the other hand, you have less need of an AA filter, simply because of the smaller pixel pitch.

I would seriously recommend looking at the IR comparison of the D750 and D7200. See if you can spot any difference up to ISO 400. Download the RAWs if you want. It's a wash.

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"Don’t put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they’re called revolutions" T. Pratchett, OBE, RIP.
True. And that wash goes even higher when comparing on print instead of a monitor...see my example post at the bottom of this thread.
I did, good post.

I used to own a D90 and a D700. However, either the D90 AF system was wayward or DX lenses were so poorly constructed that they were seldom accurate. The D700 had much better AF and I used pro lenses, so the results were notably better and more consistent.

I wonder how much this sort of experience colours people's preconceptions?

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"Don’t put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they’re called revolutions" T. Pratchett, OBE, RIP.
I think it can a lot. For example, over the years I've had many friends over comparing vinyl on my turntable to CD. Back then I used a Rega setup with higher end arm and cartridge from Sumiko. About a $2000 turntable setup. The ones that thought the CD would be better had only compared vinyl on a cheap turntable...$149 Sony for example. One always has to consider anothers real world experience and the limitations of their tools when listening to their opinions.
 
My fiends, any reasonable person will agree that at smaller print sizes, the output of many cameras look similar. Also, any reasonable person will agree at larger print sizes, the advantages of a larger, high megapixel sensor will begin to be evident. No matter how small the differences, they are indeed there. To deny this is baffling. Given identical quality glass, A 4'x6' print from a d810 file will be superior to a d7200 file. The differences may be small and they may mean nothing to you, but for those seeking the ultimate quality, they are worth the expense and trouble.

Tests like the one above are interesting and informative but hardly definitive. Two different lenses on two different bodies with two different PP routines can only tell you so much. As I said earlier, if the difference between DX and FX were imaginary, no one would be buying D810s - no one.

Different people choose different tools to best support the work they want to accomplish. You love the D7200? Fantastic. I love the Df? Peachy. Someone else chooses the 810? Wonderful. Enjoy.

BTW: I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy but this nonsense above that one of the "advantages" of DX is greater DOF is pure rubbish. It's pretty simple to stop down a 50/1.8 to F8 and beyond. And if you check around, I'm sure you can find more than a few examples of FX landscapes with sharp focus from the foreground to infinity. Finally, please understand I have owned and shot with multiple DX cameras and I am considering buying another (a 7200 in fact). I want it for birds due to its extended reach and AF coverage (real advantages of DX.)
 

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