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Ming Thein reviews E-M5 Mark II
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I find he was actually spot on with some of the assessments. But it sure is interesting to consider that he didn't find much issue with the E-M1 at first, just like many in this forum praised him when he wrote that original review.
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Following on from my previous post, I would contend that this too is a blatant lie.
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It seems that people who think that the product being reviewed is not perfect (a very reasonable assumption) decide to agree with the whole review and support Mr. Thein's piece regardless of any inaccuracies or biased statements. People who find problems with his attitude and selection of statements and comparisons are now fanboys who only want to see and support glowing reviews. I don't know why we can't just have a reasonable middle road where a review is judged upon in terms of its objectivity and presentation of accurate statements substantiated by evidence--as well as making comparisons to other products that make sense (e.g. not comparing E-M5 II to a 3x more expensive full frame camera or medium format or what not). Or not stating that E-M5 has no shutter shock issues, but E-M1 is unusable... (because that shutter speed range is a very commonly used one).
(And regardless of his relationship with Olympus, it doesn't touch upon the end users in other countries, and what they want is an unbiased review. So what is better, Olympus company in his country wanting good reviews only or an angry reviewer now switching to overly negative reviews?)
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Is it? If he said it openly? Wouldn't he be open to a lawsuit or some issue from Olympus?
I am middle of the road. This is the first review that I've ever read by the author and it is full of holes. The problem with any review, thesis, scientific analysis etc is that the moment blatant errors appear (from the very start no less) then everything that follows has to be considered suspect.
The author considers himself an authority of sorts on all thing photographic, therefore he has placed himself on a pedestal where he has to maintain objectivity, accuracy and consistency. If he deviates from such, then he must clearly state why he is doing so, so that readers understand where objectivity ends and subjectivity begins etc.
Failure to do so makes everything else meaningless and nothing more than a subjective opinion piece.
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You skipped over the bit where he made outrageous innaccurate lies.
"The EM1 is unusable"? I have never experienced SS with either my M10 or M1, as well as a myraid of other users. So how on earth is it unusable?
You seem to want to defend him, so what can you come up with in regards to that satement?
Yet when people point out his inaccuracies, they are labelled fanboys?
Highly unintelligent of you.
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I think you've grossly misunderstood me and that post I've made that you've quoted. I suggest you re-read my posts in this thread.
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No, I don't believe I have.
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All the same, please reread all of my posts here. I think we're on the same side, but you seem to be reading the exact opposite of what I wrote.
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Chewing and ruminating are good for one's digestion, both physically and mentally, IMHO.
Even in B&W photography, the picture is usually best if representing infinite shades of grey ...
On another point, I would love to know how his wonderful "Ultraprint" system differs from what my Epson R3880 produces, or our relatively cheap Canon MG6150 network dye based inkjet, FTM ... Sounds like horse apples to me.
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One should never swallow one's food whole... ;-)
Chewing and ruminating are good for one's digestion, both physically and mentally, IMHO.
It's the seeing things only in black or white mentality that gets me too.
Even in B&W photography, the picture is usually best if representing infinite shades of grey ...
Quite.
Only three times more?
I have proved, to my own satisfaction, that my E-M1 did not exhibit any such behaviour, at any shutter speed, at any FL between 7 mm and 283 mm, with Release Lag-Time set to SHORT and Anti-shock set to OFF. That's after very carefully examining both the RAWs and JPEGs from 8GB of images taken using f/w v.1.0 and 8GB of images taken using f/w v.3.0.
Neither is acceptable to me.
On another point, I would love to know how his wonderful "Ultraprint" system differs from what my Epson R3880 produces, or our relatively cheap Canon MG6150 network dye based inkjet, FTM ... Sounds like horse apples to me.
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If you were quoting a direct quote from Ming, then I apologize and completely misinterpreted what you wrote.
If not, I stand by what I say. The reason why I only quoted that statement is because thats what caught my eye. We probably are on the same side, but I found that comment weird. Again, if you were quoting from the author, my apologies.
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Some of what I wrote were paraphrases, the rest was a somewhat sarcastic summary on the state of discussion about the article in this thread. That is why I asked you to reread the totality of my posts, or even just the one you chose to quote, as even that would have been a pretty obvious giveaway on my position
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All is good. Back to Ming's review, when someone makes a fictional statement like the one he did, people start second guessing his intentions, and soon after his credibility is shot into next week.Some of what I wrote were paraphrases, the rest was a somewhat sarcastic summary on the state of discussion about the article in this thread. That is why I asked you to reread the totality of my posts, or even just the one you chose to quote, as even that would have been a pretty obvious giveaway on my position
He has nothing to gain but a lot to lose making wild accusations like that.
Here is the culprit, direct quote:
"Thirdly, there was no real solution to the shutter shock problem of the E-M1, which produced unusable images under basically every shooting condition – from 1/90s to 1/350s"
Why haven't I experienced this phenomenon across 2 OM-D's?
Going by some other statements in his review, seems like his shortcomings are with his abilities and not the camera, some are quite obvious.
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