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petreluk said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
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Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
 
The flash issue if it is an issue differs for different people. I am happy with the changes in the K3 II.

If you don't like it don't buy it.

Howie B
 
MadHamster said:
MadHamster said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
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Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, I believe you're missing something. A firmware bug should be fixed if the bug never existed beforehand. Totally bricking the camera is not the hurdle for this needing quick attention, IMHO.
 
howieb101 said:
The flash issue if it is an issue differs for different people. I am happy with the changes in the K3 II.
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Bounced flash never worked reliably on the K-5 series for many including me. At least the K-3 II has something else to fill the space.
 
Jim in Hudson said:
MadHamster said:
Jim in Hudson said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
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Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, I believe you're missing something. A firmware bug should be fixed if the bug never existed beforehand. Totally bricking the camera is not the hurdle for this needing quick attention, IMHO.
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Exactly. Plus, letting the userbase know the company are on the case is an aspect of good customer relations. If Ricoh want to step up their game by selling kit to professionals, which they appear to intend with the announcement of an FF line, then they can't afford to be thought unreliable when it comes to sorting out firmware updates or anything else.
 
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SBS said:
Funny thing is if you read the Fuji forum, they are still complaining because there is no firmware for the 100s, or they don't appreciate the new 90mm f/2 because of its focal length, price, etc. Jeez. They are really spoiled over there. Or, are we just too use to Pentax?
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Yeah a bunch of spoiled whiners if you ask me. You just can't win in technical geek photography land. Whining, crying and bi**ching is part of membership requirements.
 
Well, it comes with a flash that powers from the body ... it's just detachable without a screwdriver :)
 
howieb101 said:
The flash issue if it is an issue differs for different people. I am happy with the changes in the K3 II.

If you don't like it don't buy it.

Howie B
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Can't Pentax also release a firmware to make the K3 almost as good as the K3II claimed to be?
 
tom1234567 said:
Pentax should take note of how Fuji keeps customers.happy

they are getting an other new FW. it will make the X-T1 like a new camera

what do we get for the K3, a FW that is buggy,

a K3ii with GPS Cr-p no Flash,

the only good thing is the Pixel shift.
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It also has improved SR. Apparently that uses new gyros, hence is a hardware upgrade.
 
p1726 said:
Well, it comes with a flash that powers from the body ... it's just detachable without a screwdriver :)
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One could get a K-3II, an AF-201FG and still pay less than for the X-T1 with its bundled flash.

Alex
 
MadHamster said:
MadHamster said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
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Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, the fact that people want FW updates without bugs!
 
Ive owned XT1 for over a year and recently sold my K3 to make way for the K3ii.

I purchased the XT1 as I was curious about mirrorless and wanted to try one and read very good reports on the Fuji lenses. Yes, Fuji are releasing firmware updates but really they have just been fixing and adding features that dSLR's already have. As far as I'm concerned this new v4.0 firmware will bring the XT1 to where it should have been before it went to market. Ive always felt I was a beta tester for the XT1. The lenses are what made me keep the XT1.

I love Pentax for its very solid cameras, great ergonomics and legacy lenses. Im now looking forward to the new generation DFA zooms which are now hitting the shelves.. I sold my k3 to get the new K3ii for better AF, improved SR (3.5 -> 4.5 stops and now senses panning) and GPS. Sure I would have liked a pop up flash but I don't use it enough to be an issue.. Ill just carry a small wireless flash and trigger for when its required.. Ive been getting into astro photography so the GPS was a bonus. The improved SR (panning) and the better AF is the main reason for my "upgrade".

I will think that you will find as time goes on Fuji will release less FW updates as they are slowly getting up to speed with the rest of the competition. With future bodies e.g. Xpro2 or XT2, as they will start out with the current FW as a base and add some new features on top of that to entice new buyers. There won't be the massive gap in features that the current crop of X series camera bodies have. Therefore i only anticipate small bug fixes and possibly some minor feature enhances for future bodies.

Long term, its possible this firmware update strategy may end up causing more harm than good to Fuji as they are building up expectations amongst owners and when the decision is made to stop updating a body, owners (as with the current x100 and XE2 owners) might feel cheated and jump ship.

Only time will tell..
 
Jim in Hudson said:
MadHamster said:
Jim in Hudson said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
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Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, I believe you're missing something. A firmware bug should be fixed if the bug never existed beforehand. Totally bricking the camera is not the hurdle for this needing quick attention, IMHO.
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So if Pentax are working on 1.21 to include some k3ii functionality they should drop it and attend to a minor feature 'change' in 1.20 ??

Glad your not in charge of priorities at Pentax we would still be using k10d's on FW 10.4 whilst they still tried to address poor SDM af Locking.

The truth is the k3 is approaching EoL Pentax have a new FF in development and a new APS-c camera out both will be taking a higher R&D priority than a minor change in a k3 FW.
 
awaldram said:
Jim in Hudson said:
MadHamster said:
awaldram said:
But it doesn't work fine, does it? That's the whole point. If it did this thread would not exist, though what Fuji do or do not do has nothing to do with it.
Click to expand...
Let me double check that we are on the same page - bug in question manifests itself by turning on the back-screen when shutter button is half-pressed. Right?

I hardly see it as FW that doesn't work, as implied by OP. And while it is certainly a bug and might be annoying to some people, it doesn't render K3 unusable or affect its primary function - taking pictures.

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, I believe you're missing something. A firmware bug should be fixed if the bug never existed beforehand. Totally bricking the camera is not the hurdle for this needing quick attention, IMHO.
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So if Pentax are working on 1.21 to include some k3ii functionality they should drop it and attend to a minor feature 'change' in 1.20 ??

Glad your not in charge of priorities at Pentax we would still be using k10d's on FW 10.4 whilst they still tried to address poor SDM af Locking.

The truth is the k3 is approaching EoL Pentax have a new FF in development and a new APS-c camera out both will be taking a higher R&D priority than a minor change in a k3 FW.
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Jim in Hudson said:
Andrew, you're hypothesizing Ricoh are working to incorporate some K-3 II functionality into the K-3 and that's why we haven't seen a bug fix yet. I've not seen one shred of evidence or even insider speculation to support that.

Can't we just call this for what it is? Ricoh messed up and introduced a bug that didn't exist before. Just get it fixed and move on. As opposed to the hardware and firmware needed for things like pixel-shift, this should be about as difficult as falling off a log.
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You are right I was hypothesizing.

On that subject where is it written by Pentax that this change in behavior in 1.20 is a 'bug' .?

It seems to be a released FW .......


If Pentax has not defined it as one they are hardly going to 'fix' because some people don't like the new behavior are they ?
 
Not that the K3 is perfect, but it's an amazing camera in my opinion. Maybe it's because I learned to take photos 45 years ago with an slr that had no features beyond the very basics. What we've got today just blows my mind. I could probably find some stuff to complain about, but I rather work on taking better images, which in my opinion is largely technique.
 
awaldram said:
Jim in Hudson said:
Andrew, you're hypothesizing Ricoh are working to incorporate some K-3 II functionality into the K-3 and that's why we haven't seen a bug fix yet. I've not seen one shred of evidence or even insider speculation to support that.

Can't we just call this for what it is? Ricoh messed up and introduced a bug that didn't exist before. Just get it fixed and move on. As opposed to the hardware and firmware needed for things like pixel-shift, this should be about as difficult as falling off a log.
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You are right I was hypothesizing.

On that subject where is it written by Pentax that this change in behavior in 1.20 is a 'bug' .?

It seems to be a released FW .......

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/k3_s.html

If Pentax has not defined it as one they are hardly going to 'fix' because some people don't like the new behavior are they ?
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If it is not a bug then it is up to Pentax to say so. As it is, they have said and done nothing. A one-line advisory would deal with the matter. How hard is that?
 
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petreluk said:
awaldram said:
Jim in Hudson said:
Andrew, you're hypothesizing Ricoh are working to incorporate some K-3 II functionality into the K-3 and that's why we haven't seen a bug fix yet. I've not seen one shred of evidence or even insider speculation to support that.

Can't we just call this for what it is? Ricoh messed up and introduced a bug that didn't exist before. Just get it fixed and move on. As opposed to the hardware and firmware needed for things like pixel-shift, this should be about as difficult as falling off a log.
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You are right I was hypothesizing.

On that subject where is it written by Pentax that this change in behavior in 1.20 is a 'bug' .?

It seems to be a released FW .......

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/k3_s.html

If Pentax has not defined it as one they are hardly going to 'fix' because some people don't like the new behavior are they ?
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If it is not a bug then it is up to Pentax to say so. As it is, they have said and done nothing. A one-line advisory would deal with the matter. How hard is that?
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How detailed you and I might like is not going to affect how pentax operate their FW updates
  • Optimized performance of HD PENTAX-DA 18-50mmF4-5.6 DC WR RE, HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW and HD PENTAX-D FA 70-200mmF2.8ED DC AW.
  • Corresponded to AF button and preset button function for HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW.
  • Improved stability for general performance.
If they do not consider it a bug ( given the FW hasn't been rescinded and no comment it is anything but business as usual) ) Such a minor change would be included in the underlined above.

Why do you assume they 'should have said and done something' I don't even know of any official questions being asked do you.?

Personally I think its a bug and haven't upgraded because of it. But that doesn't mean it is a bug but then other FW changes I think of as a bug .... should be fixed before this one.

1 K3's Panning action as compared to K5.

2 flash delay in P-ttl from shutter to pre-flash

But I suspect the k3ii will inherit the flash bug
 
awaldram said:
petreluk said:
awaldram said:
Jim in Hudson said:
Andrew, you're hypothesizing Ricoh are working to incorporate some K-3 II functionality into the K-3 and that's why we haven't seen a bug fix yet. I've not seen one shred of evidence or even insider speculation to support that.

Can't we just call this for what it is? Ricoh messed up and introduced a bug that didn't exist before. Just get it fixed and move on. As opposed to the hardware and firmware needed for things like pixel-shift, this should be about as difficult as falling off a log.
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You are right I was hypothesizing.

On that subject where is it written by Pentax that this change in behavior in 1.20 is a 'bug' .?

It seems to be a released FW .......

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/k3_s.html

If Pentax has not defined it as one they are hardly going to 'fix' because some people don't like the new behavior are they ?
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If it is not a bug then it is up to Pentax to say so. As it is, they have said and done nothing. A one-line advisory would deal with the matter. How hard is that?
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How detailed you and I might like is not going to affect how pentax operate their FW updates
  • Optimized performance of HD PENTAX-DA 18-50mmF4-5.6 DC WR RE, HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW and HD PENTAX-D FA 70-200mmF2.8ED DC AW.
  • Corresponded to AF button and preset button function for HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW.
  • Improved stability for general performance.
If they do not consider it a bug ( given the FW hasn't been rescinded and no comment it is anything but business as usual) ) Such a minor change would be included in the underlined above.

Why do you assume they 'should have said and done something' I don't even know of any official questions being asked do you.?

Personally I think its a bug and haven't upgraded because of it. But that doesn't mean it is a bug but then other FW changes I think of as a bug .... should be fixed before this one.

1 K3's Panning action as compared to K5.

2 flash delay in P-ttl from shutter to pre-flash

But I suspect the k3ii will inherit the flash bug
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