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S400 photo "too professional"
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Andrys
Forum Enthusiast
Your Deer picture and the Mountain Mist shot at
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo/wildlife_and_nature
are just spectacular!
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo/wildlife_and_nature
are just spectacular!
- Andrys
Ross Clark
Member
I retired from photo lab career for 25 years. I know what the sales girl was talking about. It is a common policy for commerical photo labs instructing lab employees to watch for "professional photos" looks as many people abused the professional photographers' copyrighted photos by copying either through digital images or negatives and have the labs to make piracy prints. The labs have rights to deny the services to non-professioal as legal issues filed by profesional photographers to stop the pirated copies of copyrighted photographs.
- Ross
Mofongo
Forum Pro
Thank you Andrys! Wildlife and scenics are my favorites to photograph but I can't resist photographing cute little kids...they're ALL cute in my book!
Bob
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Marco Nero
Veteran Member
That's a great photograph... I think you've done very well for yourself . You must have been terribly taken aback by the sales staff comment. If memory serves me correctly, the printers are not liable for copyright infraction. Only the person authorising the offending copies can be held accountable.
I recall that the local Kinkos used to get people wishing to use their printers and copiers to sign a waiver stating that they (the user) were authorised to reproduce whatever image it was that they intended to copy. I remember telling them that such waivers were worthless since no action could be taken against Kinkos anyway. Your story is both funny and sad... and I'm just glad it didn't happen to me because I don't know how I would have responded to such an affront. I'd probably have laughed until I realised they were serious. Darned funny though!
Cheers,
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Marco Nero.
s400 pics: http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
I recall that the local Kinkos used to get people wishing to use their printers and copiers to sign a waiver stating that they (the user) were authorised to reproduce whatever image it was that they intended to copy. I remember telling them that such waivers were worthless since no action could be taken against Kinkos anyway. Your story is both funny and sad... and I'm just glad it didn't happen to me because I don't know how I would have responded to such an affront. I'd probably have laughed until I realised they were serious. Darned funny though!
Cheers,
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Marco Nero.
s400 pics: http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
Mofongo
Forum Pro
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Ross, I understand thier reasoning with people scanning pro portraits to get cheap prints but what about someone who is a pro or semi-pro ) or amature who sells an occasional print) and wishes to use Walmart or other lab to get thier prints made? These photographers can not use the labs services than for prints? This makes no sense...
What do they look for exactly? Any photo that does not have a cluttered background? Any photo that does not look like a "snapshot"?...
Confused...
Bob
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Bob the Printer88467
Senior Member
No, it's not an acronym, it just means a very loud laugh! Haven't seen or hear that used in a few years.. It used to be used in newpaper cartoons and the like...
Sincerely, Bob the Printer
Ross Clark
Member
Hi Bob, I know what you mean. It depends on the employee's own interpretation of the lab policy. Few employees make mistakes. The easiest photos to identify are the portraits and weddings. A lot of amatuers got caught with copies made by negatives with the imprinted professional photographers' names or photography studios. When the labs identify the imprinted name, they deny the printing request. However, digital copies of copyrighted photos are difficult to identify as someone can doctor the digital images to remove the imprinted names. If the issues arise, the lab manager would ask some simple questions, and then makes a decision to accept or deny the printing request.
Also, I am semi-professional photographer after my lab retirement, I normally send to discount labs for orints with no problems. I wanted to commend you for a great "professional" portrait you took. You are a "professional" photographer. With that camera, it's awesome! Congrats!
- Ross
Andrys
Forum Enthusiast
We're One on that ! There was a really amazing 4-month old at our 6-day conference who spent whole days and sometimes also evenings with us,
with nary a complaint ever, no matter how noisy or how long he had to sit around.
I experimented with real audio and Dr.Divx (the latter playable on WinMedia) to stream the short videoclips I made, and the first one at
http://andrys.com/elph/tconf/rowan.html
is the main clip.
Trouble is, with RealMedia, I don't think it works for slow modems as it should and when it does the video resolution must suffer terribly. Dr.DivX was easy to use but seems to stream only at very fast access speeds. Both brought 7 meg files down to 1 meg ones w/o much loss of resolution.
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- Andrys
Mofongo
Forum Pro
Andrys,
What a little cutie...
Very nice short movies, these little clips sure come in handy...I have cable modem so they loaded real fast, no problems at all...
Thanks for sharing!
Bob
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Paul Leibowitz
Well-known member
Like a lot of policies one encounters when doing photography, it's helpful to uncover what the rule/policy is designed to prevent and then work from there.
In this case, the lab's policy is in place to prevent copyright infringement. Once you can assure them no infringement is taking place (i.e., you own the photo) then there's no problem. A few minutes with the manager and they should be happy to accept your business.
Photography really is a people oriented hobby/profession. Don't get hung up on rules, focus on the concerns behind the rules and you'll often get what you want. Communication is essential.
In this case, the lab's policy is in place to prevent copyright infringement. Once you can assure them no infringement is taking place (i.e., you own the photo) then there's no problem. A few minutes with the manager and they should be happy to accept your business.
Photography really is a people oriented hobby/profession. Don't get hung up on rules, focus on the concerns behind the rules and you'll often get what you want. Communication is essential.
radamo107971
Senior Member
Bob,
This is a great photo and you did an excellent job editing it. Thanks for sharing.
RA
Rich Adamo
Long Island, NY
This is a great photo and you did an excellent job editing it. Thanks for sharing.
RA
--Bob
Here's the photo...isn't she a doll?
(click image to view whole photo)
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Rich Adamo
Long Island, NY
Col Winfield
Leading Member
Hi Mofongo. Brilliant photo, love the glint in the subjects eyes. Did any redeye occur in the original and if so what did you use to correct it? Any chance of posting the unedited original so we can all learn more and appreciate how much effort goes into post processing a masterpiece?
Col.
Col.
Mofongo
Forum Pro
Thanks a lot! (Blush)...I'm just happy to see this little point and shoot capable of some quality work...
Bob
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Mofongo
Forum Pro
----Bob
Here's the photo...isn't she a doll?
(click image to view whole photo)
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Rich Adamo
Long Island, NY
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Mofongo
Forum Pro
Col,
Thanks you so much for the kind words...
This was taken outdoors using fill flash so I got no redeye...
Besides the background which I did in PS using Filters> Render> Clouds, the only editing I did to the subject before I masked her out using the magnetic lasso tool was a manual levels adjustment and unsharp mask...
I don't think I should post the original cause one of the distracting background elements (reason I changed the background) was a lady sitting not so lady like behind the subject with her panties showing up her shorts...it wouldn't be polite or in good taste to post it... ;> )
I'm just glad I was able to salvage the photo to focus on my adorable neice...
Cheers!
Bob
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Mofongo
Forum Pro
Thanks Marco,
I've seen your work which is amazing so I consider this a nice compliment...
Keep posting your awesome photos!
Bob
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Col Winfield
Leading Member
nt=no text, but I had to input something.
Col.
Col.
Ed Bair
Well-known member
They owe you a commission on two S400's. My wife had to have one too. I see by all of the posts many others have also been impressed by your work. Thanks for sharing.
Ed Bair
Rocketman
Ed Bair
----Ed Bair
--I brought in this photo on CD taken with my S400 of my neice to
Walmart to be printed as an 8x10 on their new Fuji machine...
When I went to pick it up an hour later the sales girl said " we
can't sell this print to you, this is a professional photo"...
I should have been flattered but was rather peeved at the
insinuation and inconvienience...I talked to the manager and she
said I would have to show her the photo on the CD to prove I didn't
scan it on there machine...I showed her the CD and explained that I
should't be penalized for making a decent photograph...the photo
was taken outdoors using fill flash and I removed a cluttered
background and replaced it with clouds in Photoshop...
She finally agreed to letting me have the print and said next time
just show the girl the CD so they know it's not being
scanned...(the machine reads media as well as allowing you to scan
film prints)...Very nice quality print at 8x10 by the way...
When I went to pay for the print the girl who originally said the
photo was too professional looking asked me what kind of digital
camera I used...when I took my little S400 out of my pocket and
said I used this little Canon Elph her face lit up and she said
"hey, that's the S400...I just bought that camera and am so happy
to know it can take real nice photos like that"...
Not bad for a little point and shoot, hey?
Bob
Here's the photo...isn't she a doll?
(click image to view whole photo)
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