Nikon D800 focus issues

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Dear readers,

Try to bear with me as I have a strange problem with my Nikon D800... At about 1/3th of the occasions I can't seem to get the focus right. Now AF fine-tune could be a solution, but that were only the case if the focus deviation were to be consistent, which ofcourse it isn't.

Today I tried to focus on a tree which was about 40 meters away. The lens that I used on the D800 was a Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR I and I shot at f/5.6. At the resulting image the focus was about 20 meters behind the tree! I made the same shot a couple of times to exlude any user error but the backfocus remained. I tried a different tree a little bit further down the road and this time the D800 absolutly nailed the focus. At least I thought it did, because the following shots were all misfocused again. Sometimes a couple of inches, sometimes multiple meters, only to get it right again every now and then. The distance between the subject and me also seems to be of relevance as nearby objects seems to be in focus much more often. At the end of the day I got really frustrated so I tried to correct the backfocus once more with the AF fine-tune. Zero correction resulted in heavy backfocus, as did -5, as did -10 and -20 as well! The funny thing is... Next I switched off the AF fine-tune completely and this time the focus was spot on! Huh?? I have the same problem with my Sigma 35mm f/1.4 ART which I use very often for portrait photography. Depending on the distance (between 0,5 and 4 meters) there is backfocus occuring and I need to dial in the AF fine-tune between -4 all the way up tp -20! This is when I use the central focuspoint. But when I use the focuspoints to the right there is a sudden frontfocus which increases as I select a focuspoint which is furthermore to the right. At the most right focuspoint a correction of +20 isn't enough, so often I reside to Live View, which is absurd ofcourse.

So, now what? I have a few weeks of warranty left on the D800, but Nikon Service only knows one awnser... "The D800 has a lot of megapixels, so you see every tiny fault regarding focus and shaprness." Well, that's not only dump, but also insulting! Heavy misfocus can be seen even on a 2MP camera!

Any suggestions?



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what autofocus pattern have you selected?
 
AF-S for steady objects, AF-C for portraits. 100% single focuspoint. 90% central focuspoint.
 
Thank you for the reply. I already upgraded from a D7000 which had the same problem (even worse) to the D800. To be upgrading again within 2 years time is ridiculous. You're sure the D810 doesn't suffer from this issue?
 
The most helpful thing would be to post some examples.

What does "100% single focuspoint. 90% central focuspoint." mean?

There are plenty of D800 users getting great focus results. If you camera is back focusing by 20 meters (65 feet) something is wrong. Either your camera is not OK or there is something wrong with your technique.
 
AF-S for steady objects, AF-C for portraits. 100% single focuspoint. 90% central focuspoint.

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Some D800 simply has inconsistent AF. This is a known issue. Mine has same problem. Move on to D810 and call it a day or you will be on a rough ride with Nikon services center.
Some D800/e had af issues with the far left af points. Many owners were posting sample images on web asking others to look and see if they had the D800/e af issue. IE. it was soft on the left. So much for your known issue.
 
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Today I tried to focus on a tree which was about 40 meters away. The lens that I used on the D800 was a Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR I and I shot at f/5.6. At the resulting image the focus was about 20 meters behind the tree! I made the same shot a couple of times to exlude any user error but the backfocus remained.
What do you mean by "focus on the tree"? A tree is a big object. What part of the tree? If you focused on the trunk what type of bark? It matters. At 40 meters a smooth bark, even toned bark trunk could present a difficult contrast problem. Depending on focus mode the AF module may choose a different high contrast object.
I tried a different tree a little bit further down the road and this time the D800 absolutly nailed the focus. At least I thought it did, because the following shots were all misfocused again. Sometimes a couple of inches, sometimes multiple meters, only to get it right again every now and then. The distance between the subject and me also seems to be of relevance as nearby objects seems to be in focus much more often.
More detail often available when closer. The subject is larger so less chance for the AF to stray too far away from the chosen AF point.
At the end of the day I got really frustrated so I tried to correct the backfocus once more with the AF fine-tune. Zero correction resulted in heavy backfocus, as did -5, as did -10 and -20 as well!
 
Today I tried to focus on a tree which was about 40 meters away. The lens that I used on the D800 was a Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR I and I shot at f/5.6. At the resulting image the focus was about 20 meters behind the tree! I made the same shot a couple of times to exlude any user error but the backfocus remained.
What do you mean by "focus on the tree"? A tree is a big object. What part of the tree? If you focused on the trunk what type of bark? It matters. At 40 meters a smooth bark, even toned bark trunk could present a difficult contrast problem. Depending on focus mode the AF module may choose a different high contrast object.
I tried a different tree a little bit further down the road and this time the D800 absolutly nailed the focus. At least I thought it did, because the following shots were all misfocused again. Sometimes a couple of inches, sometimes multiple meters, only to get it right again every now and then. The distance between the subject and me also seems to be of relevance as nearby objects seems to be in focus much more often.
More detail often available when closer. The subject is larger so less chance for the AF to stray too far away from the chosen AF point.
At the end of the day I got really frustrated so I tried to correct the backfocus once more with the AF fine-tune. Zero correction resulted in heavy backfocus, as did -5, as did -10 and -20 as well!
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Agree - focus on a tree is one of the most difficult ones - because of the movements of the leaves and the branches - nothing consistence in a tree. So I would spot focus on the trunk - pick a clear spot and focus on that - trunk normally doesn't move with the wind.
 
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Dear readers,

Try to bear with me as I have a strange problem with my Nikon D800... At about 1/3th of the occasions I can't seem to get the focus right. Now AF fine-tune could be a solution, but that were only the case if the focus deviation were to be consistent, which ofcourse it isn't.

Today I tried to focus on a tree which was about 40 meters away. The lens that I used on the D800 was a Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR I and I shot at f/5.6. At the resulting image the focus was about 20 meters behind the tree! I made the same shot a couple of times to exlude any user error but the backfocus remained. I tried a different tree a little bit further down the road and this time the D800 absolutly nailed the focus. At least I thought it did, because the following shots were all misfocused again. Sometimes a couple of inches, sometimes multiple meters, only to get it right again every now and then. The distance between the subject and me also seems to be of relevance as nearby objects seems to be in focus much more often. At the end of the day I got really frustrated so I tried to correct the backfocus once more with the AF fine-tune. Zero correction resulted in heavy backfocus, as did -5, as did -10 and -20 as well! The funny thing is... Next I switched off the AF fine-tune completely and this time the focus was spot on! Huh?? I have the same problem with my Sigma 35mm f/1.4 ART which I use very often for portrait photography. Depending on the distance (between 0,5 and 4 meters) there is backfocus occuring and I need to dial in the AF fine-tune between -4 all the way up tp -20! This is when I use the central focuspoint. But when I use the focuspoints to the right there is a sudden frontfocus which increases as I select a focuspoint which is furthermore to the right. At the most right focuspoint a correction of +20 isn't enough, so often I reside to Live View, which is absurd ofcourse.

So, now what? I have a few weeks of warranty left on the D800, but Nikon Service only knows one awnser... "The D800 has a lot of megapixels, so you see every tiny fault regarding focus and shaprness." Well, that's not only dump, but also insulting! Heavy misfocus can be seen even on a 2MP camera!

Any suggestions?
 
I bought my D800 in April 2012 and had these same ongoing issues, inconsistent focus, inability to focus at all with some lenses.. Take it back, sell it stating the issues or whatever, don't waste your time on the D800.

My D800 has now gone and will be collecting my D810 this week.
 
Dear readers,

Try to bear with me as I have a strange problem with my Nikon D800... At about 1/3th of the occasions I can't seem to get the focus right. Now AF fine-tune could be a solution, but that were only the case if the focus deviation were to be consistent, which ofcourse it isn't.

Today I tried to focus on a tree which was about 40 meters away. The lens that I used on the D800 was a Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR I and I shot at f/5.6. At the resulting image the focus was about 20 meters behind the tree! I made the same shot a couple of times to exlude any user error but the backfocus remained. I tried a different tree a little bit further down the road and this time the D800 absolutly nailed the focus. At least I thought it did, because the following shots were all misfocused again. Sometimes a couple of inches, sometimes multiple meters, only to get it right again every now and then. The distance between the subject and me also seems to be of relevance as nearby objects seems to be in focus much more often. At the end of the day I got really frustrated so I tried to correct the backfocus once more with the AF fine-tune. Zero correction resulted in heavy backfocus, as did -5, as did -10 and -20 as well! The funny thing is... Next I switched off the AF fine-tune completely and this time the focus was spot on! Huh?? I have the same problem with my Sigma 35mm f/1.4 ART which I use very often for portrait photography. Depending on the distance (between 0,5 and 4 meters) there is backfocus occuring and I need to dial in the AF fine-tune between -4 all the way up tp -20! This is when I use the central focuspoint. But when I use the focuspoints to the right there is a sudden frontfocus which increases as I select a focuspoint which is furthermore to the right. At the most right focuspoint a correction of +20 isn't enough, so often I reside to Live View, which is absurd ofcourse.

So, now what? I have a few weeks of warranty left on the D800, but Nikon Service only knows one awnser... "The D800 has a lot of megapixels, so you see every tiny fault regarding focus and shaprness." Well, that's not only dump, but also insulting! Heavy misfocus can be seen even on a 2MP camera!

Any suggestions?
Evaluate and document the issues with a simple target. My suggestion is us a rough cast wall from a distance say between 7 - 30 m straight on, a few fine cracks are very useful as sharp features. So the target is not moving and has a well defined distance within say 10 mm. Avoid camera shake. Start with VR off.

some suggested tests :

-manual focus LV max magnification: tells how sharp it could be.

-LV AF coming in from near and from far defocused setting: repeatability

-P-AF coming in from near and from far defocused setting: repeatability and fine tune issues

-if P-AF repeatable: setup can be used to figure out fine tune value, say go in steps of 10 or 5 (1 is too fine)

-again with another lens: sorting out lens issues

The documented tests, can be used towards

BTW: the tree is not a simple traget, leaves tend to move, DoF issues, focus point issues.
 
Thank you for the reply. I already upgraded from a D7000 which had the same problem (even worse) to the D800. To be upgrading again within 2 years time is ridiculous. You're sure the D810 doesn't suffer from this issue?
 
Did you have this focus error (60 meters instead of 40 meters) at a focal length of 70mm or 200mm? This makes a huge difference. At 70mm, this would be a slight deviation of a few hundredth of a millimeter outside the tolerance, but if this deviation takes place on 200mm it seems to be a serious defect, for example impact damage or a defect in the mirror mechanism.
 
Which service center have you had good luck with?? I have had massive problems with the Nikon Service center in Southern CA. The Tech people in New York also do not seem to be well trained and in some cases do not seem to have current information. I would love to find a good service center for my Nikon gear!!
 
Which service center have you had good luck with?? I have had massive problems with the Nikon Service center in Southern CA. The Tech people in New York also do not seem to be well trained and in some cases do not seem to have current information. I would love to find a good service center for my Nikon gear!!
they were the #3 major repair center long ago, with LA and NY being the other two.

You can actually call there and talk to someone about your repair! They are all Nikon trained, have the latest test equipment but most of all very fast turn around with quality work. They charge the same as all other Nikon service centers. I have had lenses that Nikon NY could not ix correctly and APS did.


Bob P.
 

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