LR 6 standalone - must stay signed in

digidog said:

guermantes said:

Software phoning home is not the issue, I accept phoning home. It has been like that for ages, even before Adobe started with "Sign in". Adobe could easily have sticked with phoning home schemes that are not nested in with my personal identity. Phoning home and sign in is not the same thing. I don't understand how you can claim that.

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Sorry, when I wrote 'phoning home' that meant activation checking and the activation schema which has been done for many years but IS new for Lightroom. The phoning home is Adobe checking your system, software and deciding if this is indeed a legal purchase. It's also looking for updates to inform you of such.

Member said:

It is nothing like asking if we need to read the EULA. Perhaps that subordinate clause could have been better phrased, but I think you actually do get the gist of my argument - it's not that badly written.

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You don't have to read it, you do have to accept it or you don't get to use the software.

Here's the bottom line.

1. The process we see in LR6 that wasn't present in LR5 has been done in other Adobe products for years so if this is new to you, I'm simply letting you know this is business as usual.
2. You can decide this new process in LR6 is so egregious that you will not play along and that's fine. Stick with LR5.
3. We have cost to benefit ratio's in everything we buy, this is nothing new. The cost isn't just dollars and cents, if you feel the cost of activation or Adobe phoning home is a bad deal, don't do it.
4. Some of us need these tools to make a living. While we may be uncomfortable with a EULA or a piece of software that uses the net to talk to whoever, we accept this as part of the cost and the benefit out weights costs.
5. This isn't at all unique to Adobe or even software.

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5. Indeed, no.

4. And I would add that when you feel uncomfortable about something, it is a good thing to voice your criticism (even if it is around the coffee table or on a forum) - and you can do so even if you have accepted a EULA. And since I don't think "Sign in" is limited to verifying the validity of the software license, I voice my criticism.

Have a nice weekend!

guermantes said:

4. And I would add that when you feel uncomfortable about something, it is a good thing to voice your criticism (even if it is around the coffee table or on a forum) - and you can do so even if you have accepted a EULA. And since I don't think "Sign in" is limited to verifying the validity of the software license, I voice my criticism.

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I totally agree with your first point, you should voice your criticism. However the sign in isn't limited to validating the software, that's only one part of that process. It's used to inform you of new updates. It's used to send crash reports to the Engineering team if you allow it. It's used to sync user settings (not yet in LR but so in Photoshop as an example).

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

christom said:

I'm simply pointing out that I didn't have to be signed into anything to use LR 5.

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Yes I'm simply pointing out that you did with all Adobe products expect LR for years. The same could have been said of someone moving from Photoshop 6 to CC. This is a new behavior for LR6 indeed, the process has been around for years and years with other Adobe products.

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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog

digidog said:

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

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But it is new to users of stand alone Lightroom. Lightroom is what was being discussed.

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Member said:

I'm simply pointing out that I didn't have to be signed into anything to use LR 5.

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Yes I'm simply pointing out that you did with all Adobe products expect LR for years. The same could have been said of someone moving from Photoshop 6 to CC. This is a new behavior for LR6 indeed, the process has been around for years and years with other Adobe products.

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Sigh. Never mind.

Member said:

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Author: Color Management for Photographers
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christom said:

digidog said:

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

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But it is new to users of stand alone Lightroom. Lightroom is what was being discussed.

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On my Win machine, LR6 standalone freezes on startup. I had the CC version installed before, and I know that this is somehow related to LR signing off or something of this sort. Now, I cannot sign in because I cannot even get to the Help screen. I have a paid version that is unusable on Win.

J A C S said:

christom said:

digidog said:

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

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But it is new to users of stand alone Lightroom. Lightroom is what was being discussed.

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On my Win machine, LR6 standalone freezes on startup. I had the CC version installed before, and I know that this is somehow related to LR signing off or something of this sort. Now, I cannot sign in because I cannot even get to the Help screen. I have a paid version that is unusable on Win.

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I own Lightroom 5 and I also temporarily have the Photoshop/LR package. I haven't tried LR 6 yet. Too sick to be bothered.

J A C S said:

christom said:

digidog said:

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

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But it is new to users of stand alone Lightroom. Lightroom is what was being discussed.

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On my Win machine, LR6 standalone freezes on startup. I had the CC version installed before, and I know that this is somehow related to LR signing off or something of this sort. Now, I cannot sign in because I cannot even get to the Help screen. I have a paid version that is unusable on Win.

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Did you try rebooting?
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Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog

digidog said:

Member said:

christom said:

digidog said:

christom said:

You wrote "the way it is now" and then in the same sentence you say "so nothing new"? That's a contradiction. Obviously the way it is now for LR is new.

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Nothing new to users of Adobe products outside LR6 users. Been this way for years with Photoshop and other software products in the suite.

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But it is new to users of stand alone Lightroom. Lightroom is what was being discussed.

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On my Win machine, LR6 standalone freezes on startup. I had the CC version installed before, and I know that this is somehow related to LR signing off or something of this sort. Now, I cannot sign in because I cannot even get to the Help screen. I have a paid version that is unusable on Win.

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Did you try rebooting?

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Rebooting, reinstalling, manually removing the CC crapware, system recovery to a pre LR6 state then installing the standalone paid version, etc. It works a few times and then freezes on startup. I know is the signup because when I had the CC version, signing in again (and I never signed off) fixed the problem temporarily.

On the other hand, the MAC version just works.

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On the other hand, the MAC version just works.

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With the same catalog?

Did you try deleting the LR preferences? That can sometimes help.

daveybm said:

Yes I've tried that and it seems to work OK, that is what makes it seem stupid having to be signed in.

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I'm at version 5 so I can't check. But, I want to know what I'm upgrading to. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "signed in"? What are you signing in to? Seems like CC nomenclature.

I need some help understanding this. I shoot on locations with no internet and use Lightroom 4 tethered to the camera. If Lightroom 6 requires an internet connection then you can only shoot tethered in your own studio? Did they remove the tethered feature?

I travel and shoot on the road. I sell some of these images to people I meet along the way. Can I no longer process their images with Lightroom 6 from my campsite?

Also, part of the appeal of this program, was the ability to process files away from your main computer with small copies of your images on a laptop. You can only do this if you find WIFI somewhere?

This really doesn't make sense to me if I am reading this thread correctly. You can't run Lightroom 6 without an internet connection???

Thanks,

Kenny

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daveybm said:

Yes I've tried that and it seems to work OK, that is what makes it seem stupid having to be signed in.

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I'm at version 5 so I can't check. But, I want to know what I'm upgrading to. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "signed in"? What are you signing in to? Seems like CC nomenclature.

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It may seem like that, but there is a difference.

Signing in for the standalone product merely means that you are making a one-off request to have the software activated on that particular computer. This check and confirmation also happened with earlier LR versions (after entering your license number; or automatically, for an upgrade). After it has happened, the status of the software changes (license in use) and this can be seen in your Adobe account.

While a Cloud license then NEEDS a further periodic internet connection (at least once per month) as well as continued payments, in order to STAY activated - a perpetual license remains activated on that computer for as long as you like, regardless of the presence or lack of any internet connection.

Deactivating (signing out) the software on a given computer, e.g. in order to free up one of your two concurrent licenses for use on a different computer - similarly requires your computer to talk to Adobe. This is also just a one-off action.

Kenny Caudill said:

This really doesn't make sense to me if I am reading this thread correctly. You can't run Lightroom 6 without an internet connection???

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You don't need any continuous connection unless you want to use one of the Cloud features of LR - and even then, you only need it at those particular times.

For simply importing / tethering / editing / outputting pictures otherwise: no internet is needed.

AFAIK, you can't initially activate the software license on a given computer, unless you can arrange an internet connection at that chosen moment. However there may be some workaround, if even that is not possible.

Subsequently, for a perpetual (paid entirely up-front) license, you don't NEED any internet connection at all.

For a Creative Cloud license (ongoing monthly payments) you need the computer to have an internet connection no less frequently, than once per month.

In between that, just as with the perpetual license, the software just runs; locally.

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richardplondon said:

This really doesn't make sense to me if I am reading this thread correctly. You can't run Lightroom 6 without an internet connection???

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You don't need any continuous connection unless you want to use one of the Cloud features of LR - and even then, you only need it at those particular times.

For simply importing / tethering / editing / outputting pictures otherwise: no internet is needed.

AFAIK, you can't initially activate the software license on a given computer, unless you can arrange an internet connection at that chosen moment. However there may be some workaround, if even that is not possible.

Subsequently, for a perpetual (paid entirely up-front) license, you don't NEED any internet connection at all.

For a Creative Cloud license (ongoing monthly payments) you need the computer to have an internet connection no less frequently, than once per month.

In between that, just as with the perpetual license, the software just runs; locally.

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Thanks, Richard! This thread made it appear that you had to be signed in to Adobe to make the software work. I don't want the cloud version, just the stand alone version. I was prepared to look for a copy of 5, now I can upgrade to 6 without fear.

Kenny

Kenny Caudill said:

Kenny Caudill said:

AFAIK, you can't initially activate the software license on a given computer, unless you can arrange an internet connection at that chosen moment. However there may be some workaround, if even that is not possible.

Subsequently, for a perpetual (paid entirely up-front) license, you don't NEED any internet connection at all.

For a Creative Cloud license (ongoing monthly payments) you need the computer to have an internet connection no less frequently, than once per month.

In between that, just as with the perpetual license, the software just runs; locally.

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Thanks, Richard! This thread made it appear that you had to be signed in to Adobe to make the software work. I don't want the cloud version, just the stand alone version. I was prepared to look for a copy of 5, now I can upgrade to 6 without fear.

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It's reported that the software will be also checking in with Adobe in between times. But that's only when / if it has the opportunity to do so.

Part of the reason for this, is AFAICT that the Adobe account permits de-activating licenses from their end - to cover the situation where you cannot get at computers for whatever reason, to deactivate the software that way. So in order to keep within the licensing the software checks occasionally to establish that this has not happened.

IOW, it's not checking to see whether it should keep working; it's checking to see whether it should stop working .

One caveat: when the computer has no internet connection, the software will not bother trying to check in with Adobe. But when the computer does have an internet connection, but the software is prevented somehow from using it - e.g., firewall settings - it may bring up a warning dialog to that effect.

[edit: 'warning' not 'warming'!]