I'm planning on selling my d600 and all of my lenses for the sony platform, but I don't know which would be better. I can either afford an a7 + zeiss 24-70, or the a7r with the sony 28-70. I've heard these lenses are almost identical. If I get the a7r I would have around 300 bucks left over to buy another lens.
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a7r or a7
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If I'm going to make a suggestion, I need more to go on.
How big do you print?
Post some pictures of the kind you like to make.
Tell us why you don't like the D600.
Tell us what lenses you have for the D600. You do know you can use those on the a7x cameras, right?
Jim
after awhile you can buy another lens if needed tex
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Sony will be announcing several things imminently, and then more in the fall. When that happens you will see the normal reduction in prices for the current products, and when they are discontinued (also probably imminent) even further reductions. Between the 2 cameras, the A7 is the better choice unless you really need that 36mp---the A7R is a more demanding camera to use. It's louder (but it's not crazy loud), has no EFCS, suffers from shutter shock within a very useful shutter speed group, especially with longer lenses. I have one, don't use long lenses, but still must use care when I shoot. I very much like the camera, just short of loving it. Battery life of both cameras is not great, although the vertical grip helps a lot and is quite nice for better haptics (and also may help a little with shutter shock).
Your D600 is a fine camera, and as Jim said the lenses can be used on any Sony E mount that currently exists. So, keep your powder dry and make the switch in a few months after you see what Sony does next.
Your D600 is a fine camera, and as Jim said the lenses can be used on any Sony E mount that currently exists. So, keep your powder dry and make the switch in a few months after you see what Sony does next.
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neil holmes
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My opinion is the A7r is more a specialist landscape camera, the A7 (and A7ii) is an all rounder ...(and the A7s is a low light and video camera).
As to those lenses, it is not that they are almost identical, I don't think they are but it is more that the 28-70 is a very good kit lens (though some disagree....maybe sample variation?) while the 24-70 is clearly a better lens but the price difference is larger than the image quality difference.
Those 4mm also could make a big difference to many.
I am happy with my 28-70 on both A7 and A7s but I do mainly use primes and a couple of older Canon L zooms.
Im mostly a landscape photographer, and I go backpacking with my camera. I was disappointed with my current IQ, and wanted some way to upgrade without going up in weight. The other option I was considering was manual focus lenses, like a minolta or a leica.
In what way does your current IQ disappoint you? Show some pictures with examples.
You didn't answer the question of how big you print. That answer is key to the camera decision you are contemplating.
Please show some pictures that you're happy with, so we'll know what you are trying to achieve.
Jim
Jeff2013
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I would be careful about switching systems. While I love my A7R's, they cannot do everything, which is why I also have D810's. There are just too many folks who complain, on this forum, about the A7X because they simply expected too much out of the camera when they switched from a DSLR.
I suggest that you wait for the next generation of Sony A7X products. The A7R will, hopefully, have IBIS and reduced shutter-lag. Better low-light and action focusing abilities will be welcome, as well.
By the way, shooting 36mp cameras is amazing. I shot the following image, yesterday, with an A7R:
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A7R, Sony 135mm f1.8 at f1.8, 1/400, ISO320, ambient light
My current main lens is a tamron 28-70. Which has a tendency to produce fairly muddy photos. Like this one (part of a panorama)
This one in the center has ok sharpness but as you go farther out it becomes muddy, and unsharp.
I plan on printing a maximum 30x40.
Im really proud of this photo, and its style, but it doesn't exhibit many of the sharpness issues because its a panorama.
This one in the center has ok sharpness but as you go farther out it becomes muddy, and unsharp.
I plan on printing a maximum 30x40.
Im really proud of this photo, and its style, but it doesn't exhibit many of the sharpness issues because its a panorama.
biza43
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For 30x40 a A7 or A7II will be more than enough. The A7II, with IBIS, would also be very useful should you want to shoot other subjects handheld.
As for lenses, for landscapes, start with the 16-35.
As for lenses, for landscapes, start with the 16-35.
Looks to me like your problem is with your lens, not your body. If you're going to print un-stitched pictures that big, I doubt if you'll be satisfied with any zoom. You can certainly use the extra pixels of the a7R at that size, but not usually when stitching. I'd wait on the a7R, though. There may be a version with EFCS coming out.My current main lens is a tamron 28-70. Which has a tendency to produce fairly muddy photos. Like this one (part of a panorama)
This one in the center has ok sharpness but as you go farther out it becomes muddy, and unsharp.
I plan on printing a maximum 30x40.
I believe this picture could benefit from some shadow lifting and making the snow and clouds whiter. A little clarity boost might help, too.Im really proud of this photo, and its style, but it doesn't exhibit many of the sharpness issues because its a panorama.
Jim
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An a7II will support a 11x17 inch print at 360 ppi. At 180 ppi, generally considered the lowest acceptable print pitch, you can make a 22x33inch print. If you can keep your viewer from getting close, or if fine detail is unimportant, you can go bigger.
Jim
biza43
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I meant 30x40in. Its true that my body is not the issue. It is the lens. The issue with the Nikon system is that weight tends to rise very quickly as IQ does, and as a backpacker having a lighter weight camera is very important to me. So when I was researching new lenses I looked into lots of different options, but they all were too heavy to bring on a long trip. So I decided that the Sony system would allow me to get the extra IQ I wanted, without gaining much extra weight.
bwana4swahili
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I own the A7R, A7S and A7 II. I also have the Sony FE 28-70 kit lens, a couple of other Sony lenses and whole bunch of Canon EF & FD, Pentax, Minolta, Sigma, Tamron, M42 & T2 lenses which I adapt to all the A7 bodies.
I would suggest the better match would be the A7/A7 II with the 28-70 (it is the A7's kit lens afterall) and the 24-70 with the higher resolution A7R. Reviews I've seen show the Zeiss lens as the better performer; however, I'm not complaining about the Sony 28-70. I like it as a good general purpose mid-range zoom. And you get a good discount buying the kit lens with the A7 body.
I would suggest waiting for Sony's A7R II announcement in probably about a month. Prices have already been reduced on several models and will take another hit when new models show up. What will the A7R II look like? Anyone's guess at the moment!
If your Nikon lenses are good quality, keep them. The A7 series cameras work in full frame and crop mode, i.e.: any lens is adaptable to them. Adapted lenses are very slow on autofocus but if you're a landscape shooter they would work just fine. Personally I think the A7 or A7R would work about equally as well for most purposes, although the A7 II's in-body image stabilization is really nice!
bwa
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No auto-focus Nikon adapter -- the lenses would be all manual focus. Only Canon and A-mount Sony adaptors have autofocus.
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neil holmes
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Well there are also a couple of Contax mounts that have adapters that allow (slow) AF.
Contax G in particular.
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