A camera for intermediates? Mirrorless or Dslr

uzman1243 said:

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the point was if OP felt A6000/Sony gear was holding his photography back he should swap to something that will unleash his creativity. If you think that point is biased I don't know what else to say...

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I didn't say that the sony system is holding me back.

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

I don't know why are so hostile about this?

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again I am not being hostile, I don't understand why you take it that way. I am sorry if what I said came across wrong (but at the same time I don't sugar coat things, we are all big boys ).

Basically my point was if you Sony was holding you back it is best to switch which is what I would do (in fact what I am in the process of doing something similar myself). I am not telling you to do anything I wouldn't do myself/not doing myself.

I have been a uni student not long ago and as such not made of money. I understand your concern but like I already said I don't think Sony lenses are mediocre and I think they are reasonable to invest in. Same applies for Canon, nikon, fuji or any other established system. The only brand I would advice against investing right now is Samsung but in future they may be viable too.

So basically IMO you should base your decision on whether Sony is holding you back or not. if it isn't holding you back then there is no reason to swap.

once again I am not being hostile, its just what I would do myself...

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uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

WryCuda said:

uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

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Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

Thanks for that!

uzman1243 said:

uzman1243 said:

the point was if OP felt A6000/Sony gear was holding his photography back he should swap to something that will unleash his creativity. If you think that point is biased I don't know what else to say...

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I didn't say that the sony system is holding me back.

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Unfortunately a lot of gearheads get religious about their equipment. It's the internet so just ignore them. You ask good questions.

uzman1243 said:

Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

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I presume that you are talking about the Sony 10-18mm f/4 OSS. -Yes, it's a bit expensive.

There aren't many other wide angle lenses with OSS (or equivalent); an exception would be the Tamron 15-30mm f/2.8 VC, which is very tasty, but also rather bulky and expensive.

Lenses with short focal lengths are quite forgiving, and a SS around 1/20s is quite acceptable with either my Sigma 10-20mm (for Nikon) or Sigma 19mm for the Sony. In fact, I never worry about SS when I'm using the Sigma 19mm.

uzman1243 said:

WryCuda said:

uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

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Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

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With a WA lens, you usually don't need stabilization, (thus why most don't have it).

The "rule" is that you can hand-hold at the reciprocal of the (equiv) focal-length of the lens. So even a 19mm (30mm equiv), you can usually hand-hold down to 1/30sec.

Since normal exposures are usually faster than 1/100, there is no problem.

IF you want to go wider, (10mm is my favorite), the options for down to 1/15sec is possible.

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Note that I predict that ALL cameras will eventually have (5-axis) IBIS, so a non-stabilized lens you buy today may be "stabilized" eventually anyway when you may upgrade your body in the future.

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uzman1243 said:

WryCuda said:

uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

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Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

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With a WA lens, you usually don't need stabilization, (thus why most don't have it).

The "rule" is that you can hand-hold at the reciprocal of the (equiv) focal-length of the lens. So even a 19mm (30mm equiv), you can usually hand-hold down to 1/30sec.

Since normal exposures are usually faster than 1/100, there is no problem.

IF you want to go wider, (10mm is my favorite), the options for down to 1/15sec is possible.

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Note that I predict that ALL cameras will eventually have (5-axis) IBIS, so a non-stabilized lens you buy today may be "stabilized" eventually anyway when you may upgrade your body in the future.

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Yes I am aware of that. I want OSS for video

uzman1243 said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

uzman1243 said:

WryCuda said:

uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

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Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

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Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

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With a WA lens, you usually don't need stabilization, (thus why most don't have it).

The "rule" is that you can hand-hold at the reciprocal of the (equiv) focal-length of the lens. So even a 19mm (30mm equiv), you can usually hand-hold down to 1/30sec.

Since normal exposures are usually faster than 1/100, there is no problem.

IF you want to go wider, (10mm is my favorite), the options for down to 1/15sec is possible.

*********

Note that I predict that ALL cameras will eventually have (5-axis) IBIS, so a non-stabilized lens you buy today may be "stabilized" eventually anyway when you may upgrade your body in the future.

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Yes I am aware of that. I want OSS for video

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OK, that makes sense. For video the kit lens is plenty sharp enough unless you need <16mm coverage. Video quality is much lower resolution than stills quality.

PhotoFactor said:

uzman1243 said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

uzman1243 said:

WryCuda said:

uzman1243 said:

Like many people, I don't have much money especially since I am a uni student. And thus I want to make sure I have some sense when I decide to invest in a system. My point was to ask experienced users about what they think about changing systems or what systems they think I should invest in.

Click to expand...

Yet you are considering getting a DSLR?

Thing is, unless you are earning a living from photography, "investing" isn't the appropriate term, and keeping your a6000 seems to be a good plan. If you are having trouble getting good results, there are publications that will take you beyond the Sony manuals.

Click to expand...

Yes. I have decided to stick with Sony system. Just so you know, I really like the a6000. I just need to find a lens that is a step up from kit. I like the 50mm f1.8. I need a wide angle lens with OSS (so sigma 19mm is out). I guess I'll just wait for a while before going for the lens.

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With a WA lens, you usually don't need stabilization, (thus why most don't have it).

The "rule" is that you can hand-hold at the reciprocal of the (equiv) focal-length of the lens. So even a 19mm (30mm equiv), you can usually hand-hold down to 1/30sec.

Since normal exposures are usually faster than 1/100, there is no problem.

IF you want to go wider, (10mm is my favorite), the options for down to 1/15sec is possible.

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Note that I predict that ALL cameras will eventually have (5-axis) IBIS, so a non-stabilized lens you buy today may be "stabilized" eventually anyway when you may upgrade your body in the future.

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Yes I am aware of that. I want OSS for video

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OK, that makes sense. For video the kit lens is plenty sharp enough unless you need <16mm coverage. Video quality is much lower resolution than stills quality.

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Really? I find that kit lens is not sharp enough for video. Then again, I'm alright with video. So it could just be my lack of knowledge.

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uzman1243 said:

PhotoFactor said:

OK, that makes sense. For video the kit lens is plenty sharp enough unless you need <16mm coverage. Video quality is much lower resolution than stills quality.

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Really? I find that kit lens is not sharp enough for video. Then again, I'm alright with video. So it could just be my lack of knowledge.

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You must have a bad copy of the lens. Mine is good at all focal lengths.

I'm not sure about the usefulness of OSS for video.


Sony 16-50mm, Cropped


Original image, low res.

NICE images ...

And I like the way you cropped it.

Canon and Nikon are honestly the best If you are looking the longer survival. But things are at stake now. Canon sensors are far behind on Sony's they haven't updated their sensor much for a very long time when we speak of APS-C sector. But it may be a sign that they might come with a innovative new technology.



Mirror less are on the rise. And companies are paying much attention to their focus speed, once that is achieved definitely DSLR is dead for good. Currently mirror less is handled by innovative companies such as sony. They are changing things time to time. Their product lifetime is same as a diary product left outside.

I would say once the Mirrlees things are stabilised specially in term of autofocus. One or two companies will get the winning position as we have canon and nikon for DSLR today. Until that my recommendation will be concentrating on our skills rather than gear.

The time to update is your abilities are reduced by the gear you have. Then there is no other option.

Looks incredibly sharp. This and someone else's parrot photo have wowed me with their sharpness! I'm so used to seeing mediocre images with supertele zooms in the 3rd party forum that it is quite refreshing to see birds captured non-traditionally, i.e., with standard prime/zooms.

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Looks incredibly sharp. This and someone else's parrot photo have wowed me with their sharpness! I'm so used to seeing mediocre images with supertele zooms in the 3rd party forum that it is quite refreshing to see birds captured non-traditionally, i.e., with standard prime/zooms.

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Thanks, I was sick of hearing bad things about the kit lens. Funny thing; there has been few other responses to this post. I only ever use JPEG OOC with LR5 sharpening.

I was probably responsible for the parrot as well. The Sony 50mm f/1.8 is rated as one of the best E-Mount lenses. At $249, I just had to have it; Subject distance was about 75cm.

With a decent shot like this, the various "monochromatic" sections of the plumage are optimal for pixel peeping...